>>Implying I should engage your heavy at Mid-Range rather than Close while maneuvering around you to take advantage of slow turn speed.
Edit: I use Boundless Breach SMG, not AR

Also, Ambush Scouts need that fearlessness in order to cause chaos/panic/confusion. I've played plenty of matches where I've thrown a grenade into the surrounding area of an objective, run up a hill, and long jumped into the area where I then proceed to run around gaining bearings of where enemies are located and using the environment to flank them or catch the advantage. Without the fearlessness we wouldnt be able to cause that confusion/chaos to take advantage of, especially when engaging multiple targets.

Obviously moving around me at a close distance is your best bet, my implication was that I thought even though this is the best tactic for a scout up close to a heavy, i would have thought it be more of a last resort rather than a full on charge at the heavy...

I have heard that once hit detection is fixed it will not be an issue. I am not convinced. Moving or a straight line scouts do not receive damage like other suits. Is this part of the game or an area that will be addressed?
The scout is the hardest suit to hit. Everyone can see it is broken. Without RE's to corner scouts with, they will be matrix-like. I have had two friends quit already: saying "scouts are too unbalanced", "hit detection is whack". I went through 120 rounds once with a scout zigzagging 3 meters from me. It is... irritating. Not having them in the game would be an improvement.

Hello Doc, how have you been? I played with you in MAG, and I know you are a good player, so don't think that I am undermining your opinion or anything, but I do disagree with you. I'll explain...

I play as a scout, and have little to no difficulty killing other scouts. In fact, I'm happy when I meet a scout on the battlefield because it means I am about 90% likely to get a kill. Seriously, I rarely ever get killed by other scouts. You could make the argument "Well, you move fast like a scout, so that's why you can kill them", but that doesn't explain why they can't kill me.

When I meet Assault suits, it's more of an issue. Not just because they all ***** the Creodon Breach nowadays, but because they move decently fast while strafing back and forth PLUS they have way, way more health. Too much health for me to fire through with consistent, accurate hits while we both strafe back and forth as I try to hit them and avoid their AR (which does more damage up close than my SMG does).

When it comes to Heavy armor users, If I meet them one on one, I lose about 75% of the time. The only time I can ever beat them is if I run away and lure them into reinforcements, find them with their back turned (even then they often manage to turn around and take me out because of how weak the SMG is against Heavies and their weapons), or find them engaged with another enemy and unable to fire at me.

Right now, this game isn't about skill, it's about experience and how "leveled" your character is, so for a scout, it's REALLY hard to beat someone if they are on the same level and have shield/armor extenders. So maybe that will help you. The success of a scout really relies on your failure at aiming, not so much their talent with gun game - not at this point in the beta anyway. Nothing is more frustrating than hitting an enemy with 80 bullets to the back and not getting a kill, then having them turn around and hit you 4 times with a creo and shuffling off like they have so much talent.

Has anyone actually tried specing as a scout killer i.e. massdriver, shotgun, or smg spec with speed boosters in assault?

Or is everyone saying that na I can spec generally and should still have the same chance (human talents not withstanding) as someone who has specialized in something?

Hint: counter is heavy using an HMG, more effective if his back is against the wall

I wrecked you two nights ago... easy mode

BTW your not a good scout

I have heard that once hit detection is fixed it will not be an issue. I am not convinced. Moving or a straight line scouts do not receive damage like other suits. Is this part of the game or an area that will be addressed?
The scout is the hardest suit to hit. Everyone can see it is broken. Without RE's to corner scouts with, they will be matrix-like. I have had two friends quit already: saying "scouts are too unbalanced", "hit detection is whack". I went through 120 rounds once with a scout zigzagging 3 meters from me. It is... irritating. Not having them in the game would be an improvement.

Wow, you're so cool. Everyone wants to hang out with you now, lol.

I wouldn't doubt you wrecked me. I accidentally bought a bunch of tier 2 scout suits and wanted to burn through them. Not like it even matters since this is the last weekend of this beta phase. If I was an awful player I wouldn't have a 2.53 KDR.

I think I might remember you - you run the assault suit and... not the creo or the duvolle but a different AR right? I'm pretty damn sure you have at least 2 shield extenders because I remember emptying clips into your ass and getting no where. Anyway, as I said, Assault suits are harder to take down given their speed and typical damage output, so the fact that you even said anything about besting me in a beta that I wasn't even trying in just shows how desperate you are for approval.

Why don't you and I meet up again in the final game and see what happens? BOTH in the same suit with the same weapon and modules?

I'd just like to point out smgs do not do more paper dps, although they are likely doing more applied dps at cqc. Seriously, some people need to spend more time with spreadsheets before declaring opinion fact.

Noc you are bad at math. Sorry, so here goes, the numbers will be a bit off since I am doing this from memory, we will compare the oooooo so deadly creon AR and the Assault SMG, Both are proto and both assume max skills and a 10% dmg buff.

Creon 57.6 base dmg with a 401 ROF
SMG 24 base dmg with 1050 ROF

So what we must do is make the ROF per second, so we devide by 60 which gets us....

6.68 bullets/sec for the CREON
17.5 Bullets/sec for SMG

now for the DMG...so an SMG lvled up with a 10% dmg mod is +50% dmg (15%for wpnry and 25% from SMG ops) 36dmg/bullet
The CREON with a 10% booster +40% (15% from wpn and 15% from asslt prof) 80.64dmg/ bullet......
NOW THE MATH
6.68*80.64=538.67 DPS for the creon! which will kill a decent assault suit hurray!
17.5*36=630 DPS for the SMG....umm wait...last time I checked 630>539(I rounded up to be nice)

So the SMGs do more paper DPS...I mean in your world they don't, and also in your world the scout suit is fine and dandy...
By the way the assault scrambler pistol does 1050 DPS....

but a duvolle with the same 40% damage buff is 630. so...

plus i think you're SLIGHTLY overestimating the smg RoF, and under estimating the creodrons.

i think the ishukune assault is either 1024 or 1048? but i know it's not a nice round number like 1050

same with the creodron, i think it ends in a decimal. so it's prolly something stupid like 401.1. even so, most prototype weapons out dps a creodron. on paper

Besides hit detection issues the character model of the scout is too small.

There is absolutely no reason to think that the visual model of the suit is too small. It is a scout suit. It is meant to be small because it lacks armor and equipment.

As for hit detection, I really do not see a problem with it. I am a scout and I have had several occasions where I was shot down easily even when zig zagging. It is just a case of being good with a gun. If there is a hit detection problem, then either I really suck at running away from a gun fight or the conditions for the hit detections just havent happen yet.

I must not be good with a gun to consistently drop 40+ kills per game regardless of attack/defense

The scout suit has been broken since december the hit box needs to be larger damage doesn't always consistently register against the scout suit like it does against any other suit.