Scout suit will be fine once they fix hit detection.

I play scout and I get tore up against people with assault suits that can aim. I wish I would have never put all those SP into scout. Scout is for people who like to run away and use RE. I like to stand and fight.

I Should have skilled into assault.

I am still genuinely interested however do people think that the assault should be as good as scouts in the open in cqc, despite having a significant ranged advantage?

One game I just got through finishing off a Surya and turned around to find a scout sneaking up behind me . I laughed at the little little man whipped out my Boundless SMG and shot him in the face.
I'm a heavy ........and a AV heavy at that yet I'm not seeing that much problem with Scouts .. Sure there are times they catch me completely out in the open and rip me apart but that's life .....and death.....and respawn and try again .

Aw. Someone is angry. Okay kidding aside. Do not blow your top.

No, you can voice your opinion, but I will not take it seriously unless it is calm, civil, and rationally thought out. Calling out the band wagoners, and calling for a salem wicth hunt is not going to justify any thing. I see the point and can see various points, but the general complaint is laughable almost. Scouts are not some invicible, or overpowered dropsuit with deity like abilities. I have offered up the most rational points as to why things are unnaturally tipped at the moment to the scouts favor when in CQC. I even agreed with some of those same points. What I did do is dismiss the most likely to be complaining at it's best. Barking loudly to vex and raise the torches of the people.

People are w-a-y too quick to band wagon, and scream aloud then think. I find it funny that I have little problem killing other scouts or dieing just the same, but others seem to feel we're deities. That too me is just laugh aloud hilarious. It's not out of disrespect, or being judgmental. I just believe if people accurately and rationally looked at their incurssion ratio of wins to losses against a or the scout they would find they are either winning most incurssions, or only slightly lossing. If you can keep us at a minimum four meters distance the assault will usually win especially those who are aware, or at atleast average skill. Even a militia AR will tear through a scout unimpeaded.

My advice to you? Try some of these as they seem to work on me effectively enough --

• Infantry Grenades (Locust)
• Mass Driver
• Scrambler Pistol
• Assualt Rifle
• Shotgun
• Sub Machine Gun

Funny enough I have been sniped by heavies wielding forge guns from over a hundred meters away. That is insane. Point is crap happens, and people by nature fly off the handle. I have in the moment rage, I'll curse, and complain even lay blame to everything, but myself. It's just in the moment rage though. Some people though just do not calm down as quickly though. Does the game have issues? Yeah. Is CCP working to ressolve said issues? I better will hope they are. Is the scout over powered and some deity that is invincible? Nope.

Now if you'll excuse me I need to fetch my monacle.

CCP really ****** up by adding aim assist and it doesn't help that we are on these testing servers. The cursor jerks to where the scout was and not where he actually is this makes it so we have to fight it and lead scouts by over a foot even when they are just a few feet away. With better servers to greatly reduce hit detection issues and a REMOVAL OF AIM ASSIST let me repeat a REMOVAL OF AIM ASSIST, (CCP I'm looking at you) the scout suit will play as intended with great straight line speed, stealth, and weak defense and will no longer make the users play like Neo.

I am not immune and I find proto assault and proto breach rifle very difficult to kill. To get any type of advantage over this variant I have to do the following.

Make sure that I am in optimum CQC reach (I have to plan tactically where I engage.

I have to make sure that the ground will not impede me in any way if I strafe into a wall im dead.

I must be aware of any walls when I can retreat to if I need to regain shields.

Due to me carrying teleports etc. i am usually carrying proto smg due to low levels of cpu and pg compared to assault. This means I have to hit my target first and try to keep my fire on the target than the opposition.

Despite all this against proto gear if the guy anticipates my strafe or due to clever dodging on the opponents behalf going against a proto suit and proto rifle is tough.

If you see me before I close distance im probably dead or will have to disengage.

If my get stuck or another person joins the fight I'm dead.

If you use any type of explosive im probably dead.

Being a scout is not an I win button for CQC even in its present state. You have to think and react tactically to get in optimum range especially if you run with an SMG due to using teleporters etc.

The reason often that the scout has the drop on you is he's

1) seen you on the radar due to being spotted or your firing etc

2) they then close on you from a distance trying to use cover to get in close

3) they then attack at an opportune moment when your on your own

I don't see it far then after all that information and planning that the assault has equal chance at CQC as this will make the assault suit overpowered,

As for being better at distance with a sniper rifle I don't see an advantage in being a scout with a rifle over assault to be honest one can argue that the extra shields and armour and pg and cpu would make a superior sniper.

This is a game which is supposed to be tactical. The scouts (with exception of any hit detection bugs) are well balanced and very squishy,

At the end of the day the scout is supposed to be a lone wolf they should have the advantage in one on one situations by their very nature. Good tactics (spacing using shotguns/mass drivers etc) or staying with a buddy etc are a counter to scouts or other suggestions that I gave before in my other long post.

I hope that is sarcasm or else you just painted a big target on you back.

Lol yeah its pretty absurd, people always assume QQ when actually some are trying to improve gameplay.

You and doc should hit me up and do some Q-syncing with STB on our vent server, get a chance to play my me GoD-Nova, Youngcuz, cpt_krucial, Tednuget, Lurachaurus, and a few others who are active in the beta. When the grouping system kicks in STB will be an unstoppable force.

If somone sees me first and is shooting me as you said im usually dead the scout must have very high shield extenders to stay alive as the assault rifles especally proto cuts me to shreds. Even small sustained fire from assault rifles diminishes the shields rapidly. I have tried doing what you said that scout done and even trying to turn and jump in the air im usually dead before i hit the ground.

As for your two vs one well its just not that easy to kill one person with an smg never mind two even if your right beside behind each other.

Your not sitting still, im not sitting sitting still and your pal is not sitting still. The smg really is meant for 1 on 1 due to the fact its so dam hard keeping your gun on someone during all that movement and the shots are not hitting nearly as hard. It's almost impossible to use that dps because the of target acquisition. I have faced two guys with protos and proto breaches and I had next to no chance as im getting hit by two lanes of fire.

The only time I can fight more than one on one is if they other guys are new people and not aggressive allowing me to recharge and reload.

Remember also that my spec is CQC for the most part by design yet with an assault rife your wanting equal ground in cqc superior mid range and superior long range how is that fair?

If your one due has an smg or shotgun or massdriver and the other guy has an assault rifle then this will make it very difficult for the scout to kill you as you have speced to cover short range and medium and long range.

People seem to want the assault to be able to chose proto suit proto breach assault and dominate at all ranges?

Yeah most of us use both in-game comms and use vent to Q-sync, The beauty of vent is that it is available for PC, Mac, linux, iPhone, iPad, and android.

I'd just like to point out smgs do not do more paper dps, although they are likely doing more applied dps at cqc. Seriously, some people need to spend more time with spreadsheets before declaring opinion fact.

but a duvolle with the same 40% damage buff is 630. so...

plus i think you're SLIGHTLY overestimating the smg RoF, and under estimating the creodrons.

i think the ishukune assault is either 1024 or 1048? but i know it's not a nice round number like 1050

same with the creodron, i think it ends in a decimal. so it's prolly something stupid like 401.1. even so, most prototype weapons out dps a creodron. on paper

Here is SoCal's AR and SMG table.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8yOSDZD3MfKNXlSX0dxVHJ1TE0/edit
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8yOSDZD3MfKWm8tejRvVVhmMmM/edit

Note that his minimum DPS may not account for the minimum skills required to wield the weapon, which would skew comparisons of the prototype weapons.

With Weaponry 5 (15% boost) and SMG Operation 5 (25% SMG boost) and AR Proficiency 5 (15% AR Boost)

DPS: Duvolle AR > Ishukone Assault SMG > Boundless Breach SMG > Creodron Breach AR

Duvolle AR: 36 damage, 750 RPM, 30% damage increase, DPS = 585
Ishukone Assault SMG: 24 damage, 1000 RPM, 40% damage increase, DPS = 560
Boundless Breach SMG: 40.8, 534.8 RPM, 40% damage increase, DPS = 509
Creodron Breach AR: 57.6 damage, 401.1 RPM, 30% damage increase, DPS = 501

Those are the actual DPS with max damage increasing skills and NO damage mods.

Effective range goes as follows
Creodron Breach AR > Duvolle AR > Boundless Breach SMG > Ishukone Assault SMG

Well said. :)

This Thread is a joke scouts are fine its hit detection that needs to be fixd. i've been a scout since i got in this beta an i almost regreat it sometimes just cause scouts die so easily its almost sad. An now u guys say nerf them cause u cant hit them when they get close lol. I've gone up against alot of scouts an do notice its really hard to hit them but once u land a few shots there pretty much dead. The only problem i have is the hit detection is just so bad. Try usin a pistol or single shot gun an u really notice the terrible hit detection u have to lead shots so much. There is no wonder why scouts are so hard to hit when they strafe cause u cant aim at were the scout is but were he is going to be an when there moving that fast its really hard. But once hit detection is fixd ur probably not going to need to lead ur shots so much making it easier to hit them cause u dont have to guess as much. So really people need to stop bitching bout scouts an just wait until hit detection is fixd then if there still a problem u can *****