DUST Search - Pay to win more evident than ever

8213 wrote:

Ripley Riley wrote:

8213 wrote:

Now, I stated that AURUM was driving the amount of Officer Gear being spammed in this game through WB Upgrades and Strongbox keys...
So far, if the WB really only does make experimental it would appear I'm on my way to being right.

Keep your internet forum resume to yourself. I don't give a ****.

Referring to this statement since it pertains to the thread...

As it has been explained to you time, and time, and time, and time again: warbarges can be upgraded quite easily by just logging in daily to claim your FREE warbarge components and EoM warbarge components. You are making the assumption that somehow all warbarges are being upgraded via AUR. You are making the assumption that officer weapons are all coming from strongboxes.

When in fact it's just hundreds of mercenaries who are upgrading their warbarge for FREE, flooding the market with officer weapons they produced for FREE, without spending a dollar on AUR.

So, in response to this, CCP changed the experimental lab production table to be experimental weapons. Now this tide of officer weapons that were produced for FREE will slow down. I don't think we can make this any more clear: this bullshit you are concocting about officer weapons being purchased is just that... bullshit. You can pump out officer weapons every day without spending any money on AUR.

Also, strongbox keys can also be obtained for FREE just by getting one victory a day. You can also earn them for FREE by completing certain daily missions.

You see, your arguent is cute, but we are talking about 100,000s... The game should not have over a million pieces of "rare" salvage in it with a 4,000 person playerbase...

Yes, you can farm WBs for free. I had a person mail m in game just yesterday claiming he's farming 500 WBs himself through multiple accounts and PS3s (Michael Epic). Of course he's lying, because to log into DUST 500 times would take about 6 hours a day, just to log onto the game that many times...

So, wrap your head around the numbers and realize that unless 1,000 players have 500 farmable accounts, it doesn't add up. The time wals that the WB have would make it an impossibility without Aurum use.

I will honestly claim that is the WB now does only produce experimental then it proves Officer gear is much to much in this game.
And, my case states that AURUM is driving this.

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8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2	Posted - 2015.10.20 20:26:00 - [151] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: 8213 wrote: I love ALWAYS being right When you change your argument and rhetoric every other post it's pretty easy to decide you won an argument. Move along, folks. Just another 8213 thread. Nothing to see here. Move along. Perhaps you are new here. I had a 50+ page thread talking about how Scouts did not need a buff. Everyone disagreed with me. And, I was a Scout. Scouts got buffed anyway, were obviously unbalanced and OP... I was right I had another 50+ page thread discussing how Vehicles and AV were actually balanced. And, I was a tanker. Everyone disagreed. Vehicles got buffed and AV nerfed, it was obviously unbalanced... I was right I was fought against when the sixkin HMG was to OP... right I'm still being fought about sidearm balance... but let's just assume what we know, I'm right I reviewed DUST 514 and said it was one of the worst constructed games ever made... Considering the game have only received negative views(except 1), has a failed playerbase, and has been put on the chopping block for Legion... yup right as usual I stated before Uprising was even released that Protostomping and the way the game progresses will drive away new players and the playerbase will only stay small and never gain... So, how many people log on after 3 years? I stated that allowing modules that make players strafe vertically 20m/s was unbalnced when horizontal strafing was being nerfed at the same time... right as I always am (see a pattern here?) Now, I stated that AURUM was driving the amount of Officer Gear being spammed in this game through WB Upgrades and Strongbox keys... So far, if the WB really only does make experimental it would appear I'm on my way to being right. I come off as a d!ck often, and like anyone who is labeled a d!ck; I could care less of your opinion of me. I strive to make the playersbase stronger and help the game. Despite the stubbornness of them. If I see a problem with the game, I want it corrected. Because I'm not a self involved pr!ck who tries to argue in favor of unbalance for my benefit. My argument never changed this thread. It was Archduke that constantly ignored the points I was making and tried to shadow them with his isolated examples. Word of advice, no game developer is ever your fiend or on your side. It's their job to take your money. Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP. Audacity of wanting improvement
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.10.20 20:33:00 - [152] - Quote 8213 wrote: Now, I stated that AURUM was driving the amount of Officer Gear being spammed in this game through WB Upgrades and Strongbox keys... So far, if the WB really only does make experimental it would appear I'm on my way to being right. Keep your internet forum resume to yourself. I don't give a ****. Referring to this statement since it pertains to the thread... As it has been explained to you time, and time, and time, and time again: warbarges can be upgraded quite easily by just logging in daily to claim your FREE warbarge components and EoM warbarge components. You are making the assumption that somehow all warbarges are being upgraded via AUR. You are making the assumption that officer weapons are all coming from strongboxes. When in fact it's just hundreds of mercenaries who are upgrading their warbarge for FREE, flooding the market with officer weapons they produced for FREE, without spending a dollar on AUR. So, in response to this, CCP changed the experimental lab production table to be experimental weapons. Now this tide of officer weapons that were produced for FREE will slow down. I don't think we can make this any more clear: this bullshit you are concocting about officer weapons being purchased is just that... bullshit. You can pump out officer weapons every day without spending any money on AUR. Also, strongbox keys can also be obtained for FREE just by getting one victory a day. You can also earn them for FREE by completing certain daily missions. "I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
Medical Crash Systematic Engineers Unlimited 410	Posted - 2015.10.20 20:41:00 - [153] - Quote 8213 wrote: The gross amount of "rare" officer gear being use so casually in this game is the perfect proof. Officer is brought into the game with AURUM. This game has always been pay to win, but now its out of hand. Eliminate strongboxes, and /or the Warbarge. Both are fueled by AURUM and both are responisible the vast amount of Officer gear in circulation. Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading... Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't it, CCP? ;) Holy smokes, man someone stomped the yard with you huh? Haven't seen this much golden tears since the Golden Tear rush of 1849... Lol what a SKRUB!!!! #Get rekt #cry sum more Lol this loser is always tryng to talk smack in my local.... lol same thing, I dished it back and he blocked me like the tear machine he is lolollolol...... My YouTube Channel
8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2	Posted - 2015.10.20 20:41:00 - [154] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: 8213 wrote: Now, I stated that AURUM was driving the amount of Officer Gear being spammed in this game through WB Upgrades and Strongbox keys... So far, if the WB really only does make experimental it would appear I'm on my way to being right. Keep your internet forum resume to yourself. I don't give a ****. Referring to this statement since it pertains to the thread... As it has been explained to you time, and time, and time, and time again: warbarges can be upgraded quite easily by just logging in daily to claim your FREE warbarge components and EoM warbarge components. You are making the assumption that somehow all warbarges are being upgraded via AUR. You are making the assumption that officer weapons are all coming from strongboxes. When in fact it's just hundreds of mercenaries who are upgrading their warbarge for FREE, flooding the market with officer weapons they produced for FREE, without spending a dollar on AUR. So, in response to this, CCP changed the experimental lab production table to be experimental weapons. Now this tide of officer weapons that were produced for FREE will slow down. I don't think we can make this any more clear: this bullshit you are concocting about officer weapons being purchased is just that... bullshit. You can pump out officer weapons every day without spending any money on AUR. Also, strongbox keys can also be obtained for FREE just by getting one victory a day. You can also earn them for FREE by completing certain daily missions. You see, your arguent is cute, but we are talking about 100,000s... The game should not have over a million pieces of "rare" salvage in it with a 4,000 person playerbase... Yes, you can farm WBs for free. I had a person mail m in game just yesterday claiming he's farming 500 WBs himself through multiple accounts and PS3s (Michael Epic). Of course he's lying, because to log into DUST 500 times would take about 6 hours a day, just to log onto the game that many times... So, wrap your head around the numbers and realize that unless 1,000 players have 500 farmable accounts, it doesn't add up. The time wals that the WB have would make it an impossibility without Aurum use. I will honestly claim that is the WB now does only produce experimental then it proves Officer gear is much to much in this game. And, my case states that AURUM is driving this. Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP. Audacity of wanting improvement
Sned TheDead Failures inc. 1	Posted - 2015.10.20 20:43:00 - [155] - Quote okay, so I hit page four before I got a throbbing headache from the stupidity of the argument. OP, my question to you is: the **** do you care for? Ever heard the term 'you get what you pay for'? people spend money on a game they enjoy, so what? No matter how the gear is brought in the game, it is here, so get over it. Besides the fact the only way to obtain officer gear is either through luck in the WB, which is free, through luck in the boxes, which you get a free one to open every day, or trading with other players, which is free if you have played for long enough. What is one ongoing thing in all of those? FREE. Everything you can do for money, save very select products like skill resets, skins, or bpo's, can be obtained free. officer gear can be obtained free. Free. FREE. I say things over and over so they may make it through your skull. FREE. You may want this game to succeed, but if you can not WORK with the people whose job it is to make this game succeed (GM, and to a lesser extent the CPM)you are more of a cancer to this game than the countless real problems. But hey, who am I to complain, I just sit here with my popcorn and quafe, laughing at your stupdity. please, entertain me more with your needless and moronic complaints. MUSIC! Sned T. Dead
Avallo Kantor 931	Posted - 2015.10.20 20:50:00 - [156] - Quote 8213 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: 8213 wrote: Now, I stated that AURUM was driving the amount of Officer Gear being spammed in this game through WB Upgrades and Strongbox keys... So far, if the WB really only does make experimental it would appear I'm on my way to being right. Keep your internet forum resume to yourself. I don't give a ****. Referring to this statement since it pertains to the thread... As it has been explained to you time, and time, and time, and time again: warbarges can be upgraded quite easily by just logging in daily to claim your FREE warbarge components and EoM warbarge components. You are making the assumption that somehow all warbarges are being upgraded via AUR. You are making the assumption that officer weapons are all coming from strongboxes. When in fact it's just hundreds of mercenaries who are upgrading their warbarge for FREE, flooding the market with officer weapons they produced for FREE, without spending a dollar on AUR. So, in response to this, CCP changed the experimental lab production table to be experimental weapons. Now this tide of officer weapons that were produced for FREE will slow down. I don't think we can make this any more clear: this bullshit you are concocting about officer weapons being purchased is just that... bullshit. You can pump out officer weapons every day without spending any money on AUR. Also, strongbox keys can also be obtained for FREE just by getting one victory a day. You can also earn them for FREE by completing certain daily missions. You see, your arguent is cute, but we are talking about 100,000s... The game should not have over a million pieces of "rare" salvage in it with a 4,000 person playerbase... Yes, you can farm WBs for free. I had a person mail m in game just yesterday claiming he's farming 500 WBs himself through multiple accounts and PS3s (Michael Epic). Of course he's lying, because to log into DUST 500 times would take about 6 hours a day, just to log onto the game that many times... So, wrap your head around the numbers and realize that unless 1,000 players have 500 farmable accounts, it doesn't add up. The time wals that the WB have would make it an impossibility without Aurum use. I will honestly claim that is the WB now does only produce experimental then it proves Officer gear is much to much in this game. And, my case states that AURUM is driving this. Ah there in lies your problem. You don't get the player base size at all. See, you can't easily tell an active player base size based solely on Max Concurrent Players. It's normally an order of magnitude bigger than that. This is because of several factors: 1) Most "normal" players are not playing nightly. Generally assume that any unique player is playing in 1-2 hour bursts and not nightly but more often 3- 4 nights of dedicated play. 2) It is quite easy to have alts in this game. Even a "regular" account will have 3 slots, not to mention the ludicrous ease of making more free accounts. Each of these characters start with a Warbarge, and with 3 or so months of smart investment and little play time you can have all of these generating Experimental Factory Items. Furthermore Warbarges have been around long enough that this is feasible for even less hardcore players to have done with 2 - 3 characters. Your assertion that there are only "4000 person playerbase" is the real one that is hard to wrap your head around as that mean half of the ENTIRE PLAYERBASE is logging on for Multiple hours EVERY DAY. Also according to this absurd number, there is a 25% portion of the player base who actually never logs off. This is a terrible base assumption. The playerbase is FAR larger than 4000 players. Try doing math with a more reasonable number, and you will find that the math isn't quite so impossible after all. "Mind Blown" - CCP Rattati
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.10.20 20:51:00 - [157] - Quote 8213 wrote: 4,000 person playerbase... 4,000 person playerbase? That is close to the number of concurrent logins, probably. That doesn't count the people who login, claim their goods, and log out. The number of unique logins each month is much, much, much higher Anecdotal I know, but a friend is logging in once per day to get his free stuff but not playing matches. He just claims his warbarge components, gets his FREE AUR, and occasionally sends other people officer gear he doesn't use. He is an example of someone who doesn't increase the concurrent login numbers much, but does count as a unique login. 8213 wrote: And, my case states that AURUM is driving this. Your entire "case" hinges on the fact that there are only 4,000-ish players playing Dust 514. Since that is not true, your "case" is dribble shlock. "I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2	Posted - 2015.10.20 21:12:00 - [158] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: 8213 wrote: 4,000 person playerbase... 4,000 person playerbase? That is close to the number of concurrent logins, probably. That doesn't count the people who login, claim their goods, and log out. The number of unique logins each month is much, much, much higher Anecdotal I know, but a friend is logging in once per day to get his free stuff but not playing matches. He just claims his warbarge components, gets his FREE AUR, and occasionally sends other people officer gear he doesn't use. He is an example of someone who doesn't increase the concurrent login numbers much, but does count as a unique login. 8213 wrote: And, my case states that AURUM is driving this. Your entire "case" hinges on the fact that there are only 4,000-ish players playing Dust 514. Since that is not true, your "case" is dribble shlock. You realize that these alts that log in would consume hours, and they nee to have a loyalty rank of 2, right? Sorry, but besides those who always claim to be God's Gift to DUST and do everything the "honest" way it doesn't add up. I know what happens in this game, and you can make up scenarios all you'd like... The overwhelming amount of Officer Gear in this game comes from a direct result of using AURUM. Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP. Audacity of wanting improvement
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.10.20 21:17:00 - [159] - Quote 8213 wrote: You realize that these alts that log in would consume hours, and they nee to have a loyalty rank of 2, right? When did I say all of these players were alts, cupcake? These are players who have rank 2, but aren't actively playing Dust 514 for one of many reasons. See: the example I gave you above. He has rank 5 last time I checked. Since Dust is on a last gen console many players are resorting to this. They want to keep their Dust character rolling in SP and FREE AUR, but they don't want to play the game in its current state. We're not talking about alts. Pay attention. "I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
Makuta Miserix Nos Nothi 639	Posted - 2015.10.20 21:18:00 - [160] - Quote Just though I'd repeat what Summa Militum said; a large majority of these Officer weapons are not from Strongboxes, or the Warbarge, but from the people who have been collecting them via the EoM salvage for the last 2.5+ years. I haven't checked the amount I have since sometime earlier this year, but I know for a fact that I have more than 200 Officer weapons. And I do not play anywhere near as much as a lot of people do. And as many, many people have pointed out, a far larger portion of the community has used the WB Components that they get for free (through EoM salvage, Strongboxes, and the Mobile Factory, which are all doable without spending a dime) to upgrade their Warbarge, than those who use AUR. Proud supporter of Scouts. Makuta Miserix the Assault/Logi part time Scout. Private Beta Veteran Dust 514/Starhawk

dusty5678 WarRavens Imperium Eden 308	Posted - 2015.10.20 21:24:00 - [161] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: Saw the blue tag about officer weapons and I just have to kick this troll in huevos. Play like those of us with skill! When you see someone using officer, go get a militia shotgun/sniper on a cloaked scout and a basic RE. Then explain positioning to that player. They will really hate you. Hell, go get a bolt pistol as well. Then you are the ultimate prick running free items who just smited that officer suit. Think about how much isk that just cost the player. The tears are delicious! I would offer to taste your tears, but they are salty with isk envy. BTW - I roll officers in my basic suit with proto weapon all the freaking time. Now leave Archduke alone. I hate when he responds to pricks like you instead of the cool people with great ideas. You only get weak tears from Officer Spammers. And half the time they don't care anyway. You need to go check out the War Room for the best tears :D "Terrible thing to send a universe to certain doom... Fun though!" Long Live Queen ZarZar <3 CCP act like you care.
Avallo Kantor 931	Posted - 2015.10.20 21:55:00 - [162] - Quote 8213 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: ... You realize that these alts that log in would consume hours, and they nee to have a loyalty rank of 2, right? Sorry, but besides those who always claim to be God's Gift to DUST and do everything the "honest" way it doesn't add up. I know what happens in this game, and you can make up scenarios all you'd like... The overwhelming amount of Officer Gear in this game comes from a direct result of using AURUM. Again, the thing we are arguing is that your numbers are comically off. Assuming a total player base of 4k does not add up in any way shape or form. The player base is substantially higher and this changes how all of the math works. Again to reiterate: 4k playerbase is not true. This number is wrong. The actual number is unknown but logical thought indicates it is significantly higher. "Mind Blown" - CCP Rattati
Sylwester Dziewiecki 512	Posted - 2015.10.20 23:28:00 - [163] - Quote Sned TheDead wrote: (...)people spend money on a game they enjoy, so what? We all want you spent money on this game. For real! As many you possibly can . Do even more buy ticked for FanFest, go to Iceland, have some fan, make cool tattoo, buy a mug... Then create EVE account, start skilling your first alt for capitals or buy one. Then buy tones of plexe's to buy Titan, and when you will finely have one look very carefully on prices and accessibility of officer's items. I bolded accessibility because It's very easy to get those in EVE online, they are seeded by NPC market same like in Dust WB - no it's not it's a lie. Once with my old corporation(50+ppl at the time) we spent some time in 0.0, something like 12 months on hunting for officer spawns on belts. It's very easy to count how much it took: 50 players * 4 hours per day = 200 hours * 365 days = 73,000 hours of hunting for officer spawns(more or less - how could I remember who sped how much time on the task). If you will look at number 73,000 through the prism of Dust 514 game mechanics you will get tons of officer items, so guess how many officer spawn did we encounter? Two, and half(yes, we were lucky enough to find hostile on belt with officer spawn, He killed it and took it, then we killed him and took it - that why it counts as half). Sned TheDead wrote: Besides the fact the only way to obtain officer gear is either through luck in the WB(...) How dare you using word "luck" in my presents? How dare you Sned... Balistyc Farshot wrote: Play like those of us with skill! When you see someone using officer, go get a militia shotgun/sniper on a cloaked scout and a basic RE. Then explain positioning to that player. They will really hate you. Hell, go get a bolt pistol as well. Then you are the ultimate prick running free items who just smited that officer suit. Think about how much isk that just cost the player. The tears are delicious! The thing is that xxx$ is not really that much of the money go upwards equally to how much you earn money each month. For one person something can be really expensive, and for another one that earns 10x more it's not really that expensive, would you agree? G Speed Scout. MM Logi/Assault. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.20 23:58:00 - [164] - Quote Wow, this is still ongoing? Let me just make one thing crystal clear. 8213 wrote: My argument never changed this thread. It was Archduke that constantly ignored the points I was making and tried to shadow them with his isolated examples. Word of advice, no game developer is ever your fiend or on your side. It's their job to take your money. Archduke was not ignoring the points you were making. Archduke was responding to a thread titled "Pay to win more evident than ever" and to these exact lines: "Eliminate strongboxes, and /or the Warbarge. Both are fueled by AURUM and both are responisible the vast amount of Officer gear in circulation. Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading..." And the response was explaining in detail, how and why DUST 514 is not pay to win, and how both Warbarge and Strongoxes can be used to add officer gear without the use of AUR. You know, maybe I should lock this. It is non-constructive, and now you're bashing me for trying to clear up some misconceptions. Archduke does not approve. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 7	Posted - 2015.10.21 00:04:00 - [165] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Wow, this is still ongoing? Let me just make one thing crystal clear. 8213 wrote: My argument never changed this thread. It was Archduke that constantly ignored the points I was making and tried to shadow them with his isolated examples. Word of advice, no game developer is ever your fiend or on your side. It's their job to take your money. Archduke was not ignoring the points you were making. Archduke was responding to a thread titled "Pay to win more evident than ever" and to these exact lines: "Eliminate strongboxes, and /or the Warbarge. Both are fueled by AURUM and both are responisible the vast amount of Officer gear in circulation. Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading..." And the response was explaining in detail, how and why DUST 514 is not pay to win, and how both Warbarge and Strongoxes can be used to add officer gear without the use of AUR. You know, maybe I should lock this. It is non-constructive, and now you're bashing me for trying to clear up some misconceptions. Archduke does not approve. Don't feed the troll bro. I only deal in absolutes
Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 215	Posted - 2015.10.21 00:11:00 - [166] - Quote The thread that just keeps on giving! Archduke you have the patience of a saint! 8213, at least have the integrity to point out when you've made an assumption. You state a lot of things as fact that you couldn't possibly know to be such. Let me fix a few things for you: - Considering there are three ways for officer gear to enter the game, 2 out of 3 are (I assume) strictly aurum based. - (I assume) 2-3% of the officer gear in circulation was brought in by free means. - (I assume) the overwhelming majority f it is brought into the game by means of AURUM use - By buying it off the players who (I assume) did spend money... - (I assume) its (not) even possible to has a mobile factory on a person warbarge since its introduction without the use of aurum - (I assume) Stongboxes are sitting at a rough 500:1 box to key ratio, so (I assume) that would account for less than 1% of total officer gear in the game overall. - I'm arguing that (I assume) the gross amount of gear being used and that is in the game is AURUM fueled. - But, the main point I was trying to make is that Officer Gear in this game has become out of control, and (I assume) it is direct result of AURUM use over free mechanics. - My point is that officer gear in the game has reached a saturated amount, and (I assume) it is a direct result of AURUM use. - The game should not have (I assume) over a million pieces of "rare" salvage in it with a 4,000 person playerbase... - And, my case states that (I assume) AURUM is driving this. - (I assume) The overwhelming amount of Officer Gear in this game comes from a direct result of using AURUM. For those playing along at home, remove the (I assume) from each of these statements and they are all something that 8213 has stated as a fact. EDIT: please locky lock now Mr. Duke Something is killing new player retention.
Celus Ivara DUST University Ivy League 424	Posted - 2015.10.21 01:47:00 - [167] - Quote Celus would like to say that while an advantage is gained by spending money, it pales in comparison to having an ISK faucet; and both of those combined are nothing against talent and teamwork. Celus would also enjoy hearing that conversation with the BBB: "So you gave a business money and they failed to provide a service?" "No! I downloaded their game and played on their servers for free, and I'm upset that they're gently encouraging me to spend money!" #PortDust514


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