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Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:36:00 - [91] - Quote 8213 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: 8213 wrote: How did you obtain it? Warbarge, daily keys, salvage, and I trade what I don't use for things I do with a bunch of guys who gets them the same way. No money spent for any of us to get lots of what we need :3 WB? Do you time travel or how do you combat wait times between upgrades? Umm....by waiting?
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:38:00 - [92] - Quote Gotta remember that feeding trolls is a favorite hobby of mine. If there weren't any to feed I'd be freaking bored. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:42:00 - [93] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: 8213 wrote: GM Archduke wrote: I'm not avoiding the main point. I gave you a detailed list of how to bring officer gear in game without spending AUR, you just don't agree and want to argue. Do you want me to copy paste it in again? You just avoided the point... again... LOL I'll stop feeding trolls. One last time ways to get officer gear without spending real money for AUR: - There is a fix - and easy - daily mission with a key as a reward, so you can open Strongboxes for free, and get officer gear from them. - Warbarge Components are produced by the Mobile Factory, for free. They are also possible daily mission rewards, again, for free. And you can also get some as salvage. Thus, you can use the Experimental Laboratory for free, and get officer gear. - Officer gear is available as salvage. For free. - You can get AUR for free as a daily login bonus. You can use that on any of the above. No real money spent. I'm the one getting trolled... How Did This Much Officer Gear Get Into The Game ? Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP. Audacity of wanting improvement
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:47:00 - [94] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Gotta remember that feeding trolls is a favorite hobby of mine. If there weren't any to feed I'd be freaking bored. I don't even... How is it feeding a troll to troll a post that was obviously overgeneralized and not particularly well worded but carried a valid point behind it? I can't even wrap my head around how bad the community leadership has gotten if they are ignoring the core issues being brought and poking fun at those who bring them up instead. Every time I think I've hit the bottom level of hope possible for the future of this game, things like this happen and I fall through the floor of that hole some more. *"Baal comes...and destruction follows him like a storm."*
Sylwester Dziewiecki 511	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:49:00 - [95] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: I'm not avoiding the main point. I gave you a detailed list of how to bring officer gear in game without spending AUR, you just don't agree and want to argue. Do you want me to copy paste it in again? Please argue with my on this post: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3000217#post3000217 I want to know you objective opinion about example that I gave. G Speed Scout. MM Logi/Assault. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:54:00 - [96] - Quote 8213 wrote: How Did This Much Officer Gear Get Into The Game ? Simple. Every Mercenary has a free Warbarge, that can be upgraded for free to produce experimental and officer gear every day, for free. Every Mercenary can get Officer gear as salvage. Every Mercenary gets a lot of strongboxes and some keys for free from missions and salvage. Every Newsletter subscriber received officer items for free /forgot about this one so far/. Every Mercenary gets AUR for free, every day they log in, this can be converted to Warbarge Components and keys. This is how this much officer gear gets into the game. I'm not trolling and I'm not joking /much less having fun/, I'm here to help. But I really don't think you care to listen. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

jett it Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 508	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:55:00 - [97] - Quote I have to agree with archduke on this one. Just because lets say for example I have been playing so long and have lots of officer gear, does not mean that officer gear is not obtainable by everyone else because you can easily get your hands on it with just isk now a days. With that being said, I still use proto gear 10x more often then officer gear are you calling proto skilled weapons, suits and gear also paid to win? Because that took me a long time to invest sp into those roles. Not exactly pay to win and I use it 10x more then officer even though I have a boat load of officer stuff. I find it very well balanced. Save up that isk and get yourself some officer stuff, use it during every battle and you will be broke and back to zero officer gear. Pay to win not exactly. jettGaming - Youtube
8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:00:00 - [98] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: 8213 wrote: How Did This Much Officer Gear Get Into The Game ? Simple. Every Mercenary has a free Warbarge, that can be upgraded for free to produce experimental and officer gear every day, for free. Every Mercenary can get Officer gear as salvage. Every Mercenary gets a lot of strongboxes and some keys for free from missions and salvage. Every Newsletter subscriber received officer items for free /forgot about this one so far/. Every Mercenary gets AUR for free, every day they log in, this can be converted to Warbarge Components and keys. This is how this much officer gear gets into the game. I'm not trolling and I'm not joking /much less having fun/, I'm here to help. But I really don't think you care to listen. Now, does this statement you say account for the majority of officer gear in the game? Because, I'm arguing that the gross amount of gear being used and that is in the game is AURUM fueled. You are trying to claim that it is fueled mostly by free mechanics. I want to know who is correct. If the majority of the 100,000s of officer pieces that exist in this game are because of free mechanics, then I'll rest my case. Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP. Audacity of wanting improvement
Leovarian L Lavitz TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS 1	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:01:00 - [99] - Quote Additionally, only 2.2% of ftp gamers spend money on the ftp game. http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-04-09-only-2-2-percent-of-free-to-play-users-ever-pay-report We can safely evaluate that most of all officer gear is generated through free methods, and very little is generated through aurum. Youtube: Dust 514 - You should Have Worn Proto Playstation move player
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:01:00 - [100] - Quote And OP, if you aren't being a pretty terribad troll right now, the generation of officer weapons from the warbarge is being reviewed by CCP and CPM. I believe they are wanting to modify the experimental lab somehow; reduce the officer gear drop rate, make it less passive, etc. TL;DR - CCP is aware of how much officer gear the warbarge is putting into the game and is reviewing options. "I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:02:00 - [101] - Quote 8213 wrote: I want to know who is correct. If the majority of the 100,000s of officer pieces that exist in this game are because of free mechanics, then I'll rest my case. All of those mechanics are free Archduke, I feel so sorry for you having to interact with this guy in a professional way. It's like he is being willfully ignorant. "I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
Sylwester Dziewiecki 511	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:04:00 - [102] - Quote jett it wrote: I have to agree with archduke on this one. Just because lets say for example I have been playing so long and have lots of officer gear, does not mean that officer gear is not obtainable by everyone else because you can easily get your hands on it with just isk now a days. With that being said, I still use proto gear 10x more often then officer gear are you calling proto skilled weapons, suits and gear also paid to win? Because that took me a long time to invest sp into those roles. Not exactly pay to win and I use it 10x more then officer even though I have a boat load of officer stuff. I find it very well balanced. Save up that isk and get yourself some officer stuff, use it during every battle and you will be broke and back to zero officer gear. Pay to win not exactly. Everyone have limited amount of ISK in your world, but not everyone can 'buy' them for AURUM or have unlimited amount of AURUM. That why you agree with Him. G Speed Scout. MM Logi/Assault. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
7th Son 7 Hakuna Matatah Inc 1	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:05:00 - [103] - Quote @ 8213 , People like myself who play solo will sell their good gear to a player in a Corp that PC's regularly. If you go and look under the Player Trading section you will see that Dust has it's own economy. Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ----- OSHO
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:05:00 - [104] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: 8213 wrote: How Did This Much Officer Gear Get Into The Game ? Simple. Every Mercenary has a free Warbarge, that can be upgraded for free to produce experimental and officer gear every day, for free. Every Mercenary can get Officer gear as salvage. Every Mercenary gets a lot of strongboxes and some keys for free from missions and salvage. Every Newsletter subscriber received officer items for free /forgot about this one so far/. Every Mercenary gets AUR for free, every day they log in, this can be converted to Warbarge Components and keys. This is how this much officer gear gets into the game. I'm not trolling and I'm not joking /much less having fun/, I'm here to help. But I really don't think you care to listen. Do you happen to have any numbers to look at to see what percentage of these weapons produced are from AUR upgraded warbarges as opposed to non-AUR upgraded warbarges (not to mention ALT farming), or is this just you speculating that this is how the market is so flooded? Because new players can't trade without a massive amount of play time to begin with without spending AUR, nor does everyone who plays this game even sign in on a regular basis (I would wager 100M ISK that less than 50% of people who play this game semi regularly or more sign in daily, let alone play a match daily). In short, do you know it's for the reasons you stated or is that your guess? *"Baal comes...and destruction follows him like a storm."*

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:15:00 - [105] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: In short, do you know it's for the reasons you stated or is that your guess? I do believe that I specifically stated the following: Well...I don't have magical spreadsheets like CCP Rattati about how many Officer items were created through the different possible means. All I'm saying is that they're available in-game through other means as well, without spending a single dime, and this is a fact. There's no way around it Post #53 in this very thread. And to reiterate, this is not an opinion, it's fact. Whether there's more officer gear created by using AUR /to be more specific, AUR outside of the daily bonus free AUR/, that's mostly just guesswork. But just think about it, for every Merc buying AUR for real money and using that to infuse the game with officer gear there's probably a 100 others who just pump officer gear in through the free means. EDIT: And now I'm off to play some DUST. Don't be surprised if I don't post here anymore. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:19:00 - [106] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: In short, do you know it's for the reasons you stated or is that your guess? I do believe that I specifically stated the following: Well...I don't have magical spreadsheets like CCP Rattati about how many Officer items were created through the different possible means. All I'm saying is that they're available in-game through other means as well, without spending a single dime, and this is a fact. There's no way around it Post #53 in this very thread. And to reiterate, this is not an opinion, it's fact. Whether there's more officer gear created by using AUR /to be more specific, AUR outside of the daily bonus free AUR/, that's mostly just guesswork. But just think about it, for every Merc buying AUR for real money and using that to infuse the game with officer gear there's probably a 100 others who just pump officer gear in through the free means. EDIT: And now I'm off to play some DUST. Don't be surprised if I don't post here anymore. See you on he field... We both know what happens to you And, if you haven't the resources to discuss the inquiry, please refrain and deposit someone to the discussion that has. Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP. Audacity of wanting improvement
Sylwester Dziewiecki 511	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:20:00 - [107] - Quote GM Archduke, could you answer to my post, it's not nice to avoid others: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3000273#post3000273 G Speed Scout. MM Logi/Assault. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
Sylwester Dziewiecki 511	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:24:00 - [108] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: EDIT: And now I'm off to play some DUST. Don't be surprised if I don't post here anymore. Typical, find funny guy in the topic, make a troll out of him, and if someone else appear with some descend arguments just avoid him. edit: and I know you have edited your post twice. Now three times. G Speed Scout. MM Logi/Assault. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:24:00 - [109] - Quote Who here is now level 4 or 5 on any sub section since the implementation of the war barge with out paying anything? anyone? How about two or more lvl 4+ sub sections? oh yeah no one.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:31:00 - [110] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: Who here is now level 4 or 5 on any sub section since the implementation of the war barge with out paying anything? anyone? I have a Mobile Factory V and I haven't paid anything. Kalante Schiffer wrote: How about two or more lvl 4+ sub sections? oh yeah no one. I also have Augmented Ammo Facility IV. I have not put a single AUR into the warbarge. I open strongboxes and sometimes get warbarge components. The strongboxes are opened with keys I get from doing daily missions. "I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim

Sylwester Dziewiecki 511	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:32:00 - [111] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: Who here is now level 4 or 5 on any sub section since the implementation of the war barge with out paying anything? anyone? How about two or more lvl 4+ sub sections? oh yeah no one. Sorry mate, it would be much easier to find people in this topic that would tell you that you can do it for free. edit: say the word - BUM - their appear. G Speed Scout. MM Logi/Assault. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 1	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:41:00 - [112] - Quote You want to report a game company because your ass got kicked hard in one of their games? slow clap Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:43:00 - [113] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: GM Archduke wrote: EDIT: And now I'm off to play some DUST. Don't be surprised if I don't post here anymore. Typical, find funny guy in the topic, make a troll out of him, and if someone else appear with some descend arguments just avoid him. edit: and I know you have edited your post twice. Now three times. Again, not trolling. To answer your question, yes, in the scenario you described the team who spent real money on getting stuff sooner is likely to have an advantage, and no, this is still not pay to win. I mean, seriously, guys, have you never played any other games involving micro-transactions? This is just how it works. Starter fits can still kill full officer fits. You can still have superior tactics, superior gun-play, better luck or just in general be more enthusiastic about the game and win by sheer willpower. There is no way you can actually buy a win. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514


GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:45:00 - [114] - Quote 8213 wrote: And, if you haven't the resources to discuss the inquiry, please refrain and deposit someone to the discussion that has. You're not my real dad, you can't tell me what to do! But to be serious, I'm posting - in my free time - to answer your questions. You're welcome. I'm done with this topic. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:45:00 - [115] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: GM Archduke wrote: EDIT: And now I'm off to play some DUST. Don't be surprised if I don't post here anymore. Typical, find funny guy in the topic, make a troll out of him, and if someone else appear with some descend arguments just avoid him. edit: and I know you have edited your post twice. Now three times. Again, not trolling. To answer your question, yes, in the scenario you described the team who spent real money on getting stuff sooner is likely to have an advantage, and no, this is still not pay to win. I mean, seriously, guys, have you never played any other games involving micro-transactions? This is just how it works. Starter fits can still kill full officer fits. You can still have superior tactics, superior gun-play, better luck or just in general be more enthusiastic about the game and win by sheer willpower. There is no way you can actually buy a win. Just lock the thread. You can't convince these people. Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
JIMvc2 KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:46:00 - [116] - Quote Pay to win really doesn't apply to Dust 514. Aur items ONLY get you access early = yay. Doesn't mean its op. Those AUR items have similar/same stats as Isk items and LP. Nothing OP their. Think about it. From boxes I get that Gallente Aur tank in 5 per box at random. For 1 tank = 350 aur. With the boxes you save lots of aur. I have 170+ Allotek Assault Rifle and kept getting those from boxes and missions. Nothing OP. The stats for the rifle are the same as the Duvolle. In the end no need to rant. Judge my muscle content then I'll judge you by your Half Marathon time. Never underestimate runners - "Jim"
Arkena Wyrnspire Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 28	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:47:00 - [117] - Quote 8213 wrote: GM Archduke wrote: I'm not avoiding the main point. I gave you a detailed list of how to bring officer gear in game without spending AUR, you just don't agree and want to argue. Do you want me to copy paste it in again? You just avoided the point... again... No, he didn't. You're just repeatedly claiming 'but ur avoiding mah point waaah' without actually ever making one. Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:53:00 - [118] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: Who here is now level 4 or 5 on any sub section since the implementation of the war barge with out paying anything? anyone? I have a Mobile Factory V and I haven't paid anything. Kalante Schiffer wrote: How about two or more lvl 4+ sub sections? oh yeah no one. I also have Augmented Ammo Facility IV. I have not put a single AUR into the warbarge. I open strongboxes and sometimes get warbarge components. The strongboxes are opened with keys I get from doing daily missions. Let say that it took this guy since when was war lords released? February 3rd? So let's say 8 months. 8 months just to get one sub class at lvl 5 and another at lvl 4. Meanwhile Pablo here has had them since day one because he paid a lot of aurum and all lvl 5 sub sections by now. Tell me if not that is one of the biggest time walls you have ever seen on any game? just to get two sub sections at a good position. It even gives mobile games a run for their money. LOL. It might not be pay to win but pay to remove the time wall in order to advance to the next sub section. Because the problem is not how long it takes to level up the sub sections but waiting for the freaking unnecessary time wall that is there in order to make you spend money and catch up to Pablo. Idk ive always had mix feelings of the war barge since day one. I just hate the time wall.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:55:00 - [119] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: I just hate the time wall. The warbarge's upgrade timers are pretty steep. I will 100% agree with that. I feel like giving us more ways of earning components through play would be helpful. Up the drop rates from playing matches and increase the drop amount to at least 50 components, maximum 500. "I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 17:02:00 - [120] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: GM Archduke wrote: EDIT: And now I'm off to play some DUST. Don't be surprised if I don't post here anymore. Typical, find funny guy in the topic, make a troll out of him, and if someone else appear with some descend arguments just avoid him. edit: and I know you have edited your post twice. Now three times. Again, not trolling. To answer your question, yes, in the scenario you described the team who spent real money on getting stuff sooner is likely to have an advantage, and no, this is still not pay to win. I mean, seriously, guys, have you never played any other games involving micro-transactions? This is just how it works. Starter fits can still kill full officer fits. You can still have superior tactics, superior gun-play, better luck or just in general be more enthusiastic about the game and win by sheer willpower. There is no way you can actually buy a win. We'd need to discuss the definition of winning. If winning is defined by netting the most account of resource and ISK, then yes your game is 100% pay-to-win. If winning is defined by simply winning a battle, not taking into account resource loss or profiting, then no your game is not pay-to-win and simply has 0 need for micro-transactions. So, why would there be micro-transactions in the game? But, the main point I was trying to make is that Officer Gear in this game has become out of control, and it is direct result of AURUM use over free mechanics. Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP. Audacity of wanting improvement



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