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Sylwester Dziewiecki
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Posted - 2015.10.19 15:07:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Pay to Win:
A situation where the best possible gear in the game is available for real world cash and not attainable via any other means.
Please point out what items are on the purchase-for-money that cannot be attained via any other means that will overpower all other items.
Please point out the prototype or officer level gear that cannot be attained from salvage or the NPC market.
I will bring it directly to rattati's attention for inclusion in the next hotfix.
But first show me on the doll where the officer spam touched you.
I disagree with your sophisticated explanation of wording with is understandable/sufficiently clear in its basic form . I'm not saying I agree with any one in this topic.
So, Pay to Win(deviating from the general gibberish in the topic):
I will give you example, because I like it, and it can help you picture things more easily .
Let's say we have two teams that are planning to fighting each other at the end of the month, and they have 30 days for preparation. Their real skills are identical, it's like clones from StarWars suppose to fight with each other.. they have same life luggage, if they would get pupy for the Christmas they would call it identical 'Cloudy', because it's so,soo nice.
The only difference between two teams is that first team have unlimited amount of cash, and second team have no cash at all(life ).
Each teams are upgrading Warbarage with limited amount of time - match and daily missions reward, plus AURUM that they both get for daily login. And there is no difference on that except that first team done it on day one with unlimited AURUM, and then focus on buying officer gear from player community for ISK, Boosters, Apex, Skins and everything else I did not mention...
So 30 day pass, and I do not need to tell you how did it end for second team because you are intelligent person, right? 
PS
It's so nice to see that CPM mark, damm you had to be smartest guy in your village.
G Speed Scout. MM Logi/Assault.
EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
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Posted - 2015.10.19 15:49:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:I'm not avoiding the main point. I gave you a detailed list of how to bring officer gear in game without spending AUR, you just don't agree and want to argue. Do you want me to copy paste it in again? 
Please argue with my on this post:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3000217#post3000217
I want to know you objective opinion about example that I gave.
G Speed Scout. MM Logi/Assault.
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
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Posted - 2015.10.19 16:04:00 -
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jett it wrote:I have to agree with archduke on this one.
Just because lets say for example I have been playing so long and have lots of officer gear, does not mean that officer gear is not obtainable by everyone else because you can easily get your hands on it with just isk now a days.
With that being said, I still use proto gear 10x more often then officer gear are you calling proto skilled weapons, suits and gear also paid to win? Because that took me a long time to invest sp into those roles. Not exactly pay to win and I use it 10x more then officer even though I have a boat load of officer stuff.
I find it very well balanced. Save up that isk and get yourself some officer stuff, use it during every battle and you will be broke and back to zero officer gear. Pay to win not exactly.
Everyone have limited amount of ISK in your world, but not everyone can 'buy' them for AURUM or have unlimited amount of AURUM. That why you agree with Him.
G Speed Scout. MM Logi/Assault.
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
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Posted - 2015.10.19 16:20:00 -
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GM Archduke, could you answer to my post, it's not nice to avoid others: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3000273#post3000273
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
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Posted - 2015.10.19 16:24:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:
EDIT: And now I'm off to play some DUST. Don't be surprised if I don't post here anymore.
Typical, find funny guy in the topic, make a troll out of him, and if someone else appear with some descend arguments just avoid him.
edit: and I know you have edited your post twice . Now three times.
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
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Posted - 2015.10.19 16:32:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:Who here is now level 4 or 5 on any sub section since the implementation of the war barge with out paying anything? anyone?
How about two or more lvl 4+ sub sections? oh yeah no one.
Sorry mate, it would be much easier to find people in this topic that would tell you that you can do it for free.
edit: say the word - BUM - their appear .
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
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Posted - 2015.10.19 18:55:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:GM Archduke wrote:
EDIT: And now I'm off to play some DUST. Don't be surprised if I don't post here anymore.
Typical, find funny guy in the topic, make a troll out of him, and if someone else appear with some descend arguments just avoid him. edit: and I know you have edited your post twice . Now three times. Again, not trolling. To answer your question, yes, in the scenario you described the team who spent real money on getting stuff sooner is likely to have an advantage, and no, this is still not pay to win. I mean, seriously, guys, have you never played any other games involving micro-transactions? This is just how it works.Starter fits can still kill full officer fits. You can still have superior tactics, superior gun-play, better luck or just in general be more enthusiastic about the game and win by sheer willpower. There is no way you can actually buy a win.
I'm not trolling neither. I'm think that I'm trying to be honest. I wish CCP best. I'm one of those players that stick to CCP for a while now, in time of darknes or not, I'm still here, right? Even if I bright-out something that is wrong, and you not necessarily want to see that publicly, I'm still supportive.
I did play other micro-transactions games. What I do not like about them is that they remind players constantly that he have to paid in other to play it at a decent level. I do not like to be reminded(it's not even about cash, it's about spam).
Subject P2W is not something new in Dust community, I remember it being always there. I was trying to defend Dust on it each time, and proving that this game is clear. Showing players some examples of how it works in other games etc.. I need to say that I was trying to tell people true about it, but it was slightly a PR - I wanted Dust to be a game free of P2W that much, that I was avoiding telling people that in long rage players who pay for game get to point where they want to be faster then those who do not pay for it. They have greater variety of fittings and they can counter those who were not paying for the game more easily. I know that many players had similar opinion, but we all were fighting for new players.
And it was in times without trade option, or warbarage. Rare items were appeared randomly back then, if we would not count event rewards. It was 'ok' - It was not funny to play with team that has 2 officer sniper rifle for entire match, but it was more or less balanced, bearable.
Now someone who is rich in real life, can come to play Dust, and buy rare items(directly - from other players, who are willing to sell it, or buy them not directly - from WB Labolatory) thanks to warbarage upgrades. Of cures player who will not buy AUR from CCP will have a chance to have rare gear as well, but he will have it much less than one that paid for it.
As in my example. If we will put two identical teams of players at each other, the one that paid for game, paid more, will win. Because he have more Officer items, SP, he is dealing more damage etc.. We are not discuss player skill here, but game mechanics, with lead to some not fair situations. It is so much easy in EVE - you can always set the trap, and outnumber the guy, in Dust player-count is always even.
Final words to all. I'm not giving solution here, I know about it. It's because I do not have solution. I honestly wish CCP to have at least 10 costumers(or one with 9 accounts) like this, that came to the game and continue to spend a lot of $ on it. I want player-base to stop treating this subject like it not exist, and start discussing about it. If you are person that made very solid opinion about Dust 514 being P2W in past, it's time to think about this again.
G Speed Scout. MM Logi/Assault.
EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
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Posted - 2015.10.20 23:28:00 -
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Sned TheDead wrote:(...)people spend money on a game they enjoy, so what?
We all want you spent money on this game. For real! As many you possibly can . Do even more buy ticked for FanFest, go to Iceland, have some fan, make cool tattoo, buy a mug...
Then create EVE account, start skilling your first alt for capitals or buy one. Then buy tones of plexe's to buy Titan, and when you will finely have one look very carefully on prices and accessibility of officer's items. I bolded accessibility because It's very easy to get those in EVE online, they are seeded by NPC market same like in Dust WB - no it's not it's a lie.
Once with my old corporation(50+ppl at the time) we spent some time in 0.0, something like 12 months on hunting for officer spawns on belts. It's very easy to count how much it took: 50 players * 4 hours per day = 200 hours * 365 days = 73,000 hours of hunting for officer spawns(more or less - how could I remember who sped how much time on the task). If you will look at number 73,000 through the prism of Dust 514 game mechanics you will get tons of officer items, so guess how many officer spawn did we encounter?
Two, and half(yes, we were lucky enough to find hostile on belt with officer spawn, He killed it and took it, then we killed him and took it - that why it counts as half).
Sned TheDead wrote:
Besides the fact the only way to obtain officer gear is either through luck in the WB(...)
How dare you using word "luck" in my presents? How dare you Sned...
Balistyc Farshot wrote:Play like those of us with skill!
When you see someone using officer, go get a militia shotgun/sniper on a cloaked scout and a basic RE. Then explain positioning to that player. They will really hate you. Hell, go get a bolt pistol as well. Then you are the ultimate prick running free items who just smited that officer suit. Think about how much isk that just cost the player.
The tears are delicious!
The thing is that xxx$ is not really that much of the money go upwards equally to how much you earn money each month. For one person something can be really expensive, and for another one that earns 10x more it's not really that expensive, would you agree?
G Speed Scout. MM Logi/Assault.
EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
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