DUST Search - Pay to win more evident than ever

8213 wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Pay to Win:

A situation where the best possible gear in the game is available for real world cash and not attainable via any other means.

Please point out what items are on the purchase-for-money that cannot be attained via any other means that will overpower all other items.

Please point out the prototype or officer level gear that cannot be attained from salvage or the NPC market.

I will bring it directly to rattati's attention for inclusion in the next hotfix.

But first show me on the doll where the officer spam touched you.

Aww, a CPM thinking he means something...

Considering there are three ways for officer gear to enter the game, 2 out of 3 are strictly aurum based.

Funny, you used the word "officer spam"
So, is there too much officer gear in circulation and being causally used? Where did all of this officer gear come from?

Please, find out where it came from and forward it to CCP (Whom you do not work for, you work for the playerbase, remember)

As usual, you people validate my opinions when trying to counter-argue.


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Shaun Iwairo Dust University Ivy League 190	Posted - 2015.10.19 02:09:00 - [1] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: From other side of coin i really know about what this boyko talks. I miss times when you paid for game once and that was all. Full concept one price Because tbh f2p games are the most expensive ones these days. Yup i think im really old. lol @ most expensive. Let me tell you what it's like being a Destiny player in Australia. Base game: $65 a few months after release Year one expansion pass: $40 The Taken King major expansion: $75 It's cost me $180 to get the game that Destiny should have been in the first place. I've bought 2 respecs, an APEX, the Minmatar combat pack and the MN-M Legacy skin all for about $80 and I've still got 4 or 5k aurum left. Something is killing new player retention.
Shaun Iwairo Dust University Ivy League 190	Posted - 2015.10.19 06:18:00 - [2] - Quote What is your deal Bright Cloud? Every day at about this time you come on the forums and cry about how bad this game is. You don't add anything. You just cry. Bright Cloud wrote: Or i just dont play the game which is the best fix for it. CCP wont care about this they will just keep trying to milk money off the community and thats about it. Dont bother trying to defending the game. CCP doesnt want to fix things they just want your money. Let your wallet speak for you by not giving them a single cent and leave the game. Congrats for making the jump off this horrendeus game. cant code properly prefers to treat costumers as cashcows, not as human beeings with rights to have a opinion. There is no reason to stay on this game, you should move on to other games like others did. I didn't even have to edit anything out. That's literally your last few posts in order. Just give it up, your crying is getting beyond tired. Something is killing new player retention.
Shaun Iwairo Dust University Ivy League 190	Posted - 2015.10.19 08:01:00 - [3] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: ...im trying to get people off this game... But why put so much effort into it? I can understand if you feel slighted by CCP, but coming in and spamming so many threads with not much more than 'don't play Dust' is just strange. Let it go. Something is killing new player retention.
Shaun Iwairo Dust University Ivy League 190	Posted - 2015.10.19 12:33:00 - [4] - Quote 8213 wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Pay to Win: A situation where the best possible gear in the game is available for real world cash and not attainable via any other means. Please point out what items are on the purchase-for-money that cannot be attained via any other means that will overpower all other items. Please point out the prototype or officer level gear that cannot be attained from salvage or the NPC market. I will bring it directly to rattati's attention for inclusion in the next hotfix. But first show me on the doll where the officer spam touched you. Aww, a CPM thinking he means something... Considering there are three ways for officer gear to enter the game, 2 out of 3 are strictly aurum based. Funny, you used the word "officer spam" So, is there too much officer gear in circulation and being causally used? Where did all of this officer gear come from? Please, find out where it came from and forward it to CCP (Whom you do not work for, you work for the playerbase, remember) As usual, you people validate my opinions when trying to counter-argue. Quoting for posterity, especially your use of '2 out of 3 are strictly aurum based' Something is killing new player retention.
Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 198	Posted - 2015.10.19 23:31:00 - [5] - Quote Celesta, I don't think I've ever not enjoyed reading something you've written. Now we just need to work out a way for every new player that comes into Dust to be taught to have that attitude... Something is killing new player retention.
Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 198	Posted - 2015.10.20 01:33:00 - [6] - Quote He changed tack a page an a half ago to What we are discussing here is, whether the officer items are mainly from free mechanics or AURUM mechanics. I believe it is AURUM mechanics. Emphasis mine. I can now see what he's complaining about, but holy hell did he go about it in the wrong way. Something is killing new player retention.
Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 215	Posted - 2015.10.21 00:11:00 - [7] - Quote The thread that just keeps on giving! Archduke you have the patience of a saint! 8213, at least have the integrity to point out when you've made an assumption. You state a lot of things as fact that you couldn't possibly know to be such. Let me fix a few things for you: - Considering there are three ways for officer gear to enter the game, 2 out of 3 are (I assume) strictly aurum based. - (I assume) 2-3% of the officer gear in circulation was brought in by free means. - (I assume) the overwhelming majority f it is brought into the game by means of AURUM use - By buying it off the players who (I assume) did spend money... - (I assume) its (not) even possible to has a mobile factory on a person warbarge since its introduction without the use of aurum - (I assume) Stongboxes are sitting at a rough 500:1 box to key ratio, so (I assume) that would account for less than 1% of total officer gear in the game overall. - I'm arguing that (I assume) the gross amount of gear being used and that is in the game is AURUM fueled. - But, the main point I was trying to make is that Officer Gear in this game has become out of control, and (I assume) it is direct result of AURUM use over free mechanics. - My point is that officer gear in the game has reached a saturated amount, and (I assume) it is a direct result of AURUM use. - The game should not have (I assume) over a million pieces of "rare" salvage in it with a 4,000 person playerbase... - And, my case states that (I assume) AURUM is driving this. - (I assume) The overwhelming amount of Officer Gear in this game comes from a direct result of using AURUM. For those playing along at home, remove the (I assume) from each of these statements and they are all something that 8213 has stated as a fact. EDIT: please locky lock now Mr. Duke Something is killing new player retention.