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GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:47:00 - [1] - Quote 8213 wrote: ... Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading... Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't it, CCP? ;) You do know that micro-transactions in games is an actual 'thing', right? This is not something "big bad greedy CCP" invented, and is trying to get away with. And as for the pay to win argument: - There is a fix - and easy - daily mission with a key as a reward, so you can open Strongboxes for free. - Warbarge Components are produced by the Mobile Factory, for free. They are also possible daily mission rewards, again, for free. And you can also get some as salvage. Thus, you can use the Experimental Laboratory for free. - You can get AUR for free as a daily login bonus. You can use that on any of the above. - You can buy officer gear for in-game currency, as in, for free. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514


GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 12:44:00 - [2] - Quote Again: - There is a fix - and easy - daily mission with a key as a reward, so you can open Strongboxes for free. - Warbarge Components are produced by the Mobile Factory, for free. They are also possible daily mission rewards, again, for free. And you can also get some as salvage. Thus, you can use the Experimental Laboratory for free. - You can get AUR for free as a daily login bonus. You can use that on any of the above. - You can buy officer gear for in-game currency - from other players through Player Trading - as in, for free. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514


GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 13:25:00 - [3] - Quote Well, I'm not CPM and I don't have magical spreadsheets like CCP Rattati about how many Officer items were created through the different possible means. All I'm saying is that they're available in-game through other means as well, without spending a single dime, and this is a fact. There's no way around it GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514


GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:02:00 - [4] - Quote Jared Fogle wrote: GM Archduke wrote: Again: - There is a fix - and easy - daily mission with a key as a reward, so you can open Strongboxes for free. - Warbarge Components are produced by the Mobile Factory, for free. They are also possible daily mission rewards, again, for free. And you can also get some as salvage. Thus, you can use the Experimental Laboratory for free. - You can get AUR for free as a daily login bonus. You can use that on any of the above. - You can buy officer gear for in-game currency - from other players through Player Trading - as in, for free. Stop it. Common sense will get you banned around these parts. You're right, I should ban this Archduke jerk. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514


GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:25:00 - [5] - Quote 8213 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: I personally haven't spent a dime on this game in over half a year or more, I got plenty of officer gear and suits. How do you suppose I did that? c: By buying it off the players who did spend money... Any other brainbusters? crumble-crumble-crumble... So you do see that officer gear is available for players who do not spend money on the game! I'm super relieved now, and glad that your concerns were properly addressed. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514


GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:20:00 - [6] - Quote I'm not avoiding the main point. I gave you a detailed list of how to bring officer gear in game without spending AUR, you just don't agree and want to argue. Do you want me to copy paste it in again? GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514


GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:28:00 - [7] - Quote 8213 wrote: GM Archduke wrote: I'm not avoiding the main point. I gave you a detailed list of how to bring officer gear in game without spending AUR, you just don't agree and want to argue. Do you want me to copy paste it in again? You just avoided the point... again... LOL I'll stop feeding trolls. One last time ways to get officer gear without spending real money for AUR: - There is a fix - and easy - daily mission with a key as a reward, so you can open Strongboxes for free, and get officer gear from them. - Warbarge Components are produced by the Mobile Factory, for free. They are also possible daily mission rewards, again, for free. And you can also get some as salvage. Thus, you can use the Experimental Laboratory for free, and get officer gear. - Officer gear is available as salvage. For free. - You can get AUR for free as a daily login bonus. You can use that on any of the above. No real money spent. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514


GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:54:00 - [8] - Quote 8213 wrote: How Did This Much Officer Gear Get Into The Game ? Simple. Every Mercenary has a free Warbarge, that can be upgraded for free to produce experimental and officer gear every day, for free. Every Mercenary can get Officer gear as salvage. Every Mercenary gets a lot of strongboxes and some keys for free from missions and salvage. Every Newsletter subscriber received officer items for free /forgot about this one so far/. Every Mercenary gets AUR for free, every day they log in, this can be converted to Warbarge Components and keys. This is how this much officer gear gets into the game. I'm not trolling and I'm not joking /much less having fun/, I'm here to help. But I really don't think you care to listen. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514


GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:15:00 - [9] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: In short, do you know it's for the reasons you stated or is that your guess? I do believe that I specifically stated the following: Well...I don't have magical spreadsheets like CCP Rattati about how many Officer items were created through the different possible means. All I'm saying is that they're available in-game through other means as well, without spending a single dime, and this is a fact. There's no way around it Post #53 in this very thread. And to reiterate, this is not an opinion, it's fact. Whether there's more officer gear created by using AUR /to be more specific, AUR outside of the daily bonus free AUR/, that's mostly just guesswork. But just think about it, for every Merc buying AUR for real money and using that to infuse the game with officer gear there's probably a 100 others who just pump officer gear in through the free means. EDIT: And now I'm off to play some DUST. Don't be surprised if I don't post here anymore. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514


GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:43:00 - [10] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: GM Archduke wrote: EDIT: And now I'm off to play some DUST. Don't be surprised if I don't post here anymore. Typical, find funny guy in the topic, make a troll out of him, and if someone else appear with some descend arguments just avoid him. edit: and I know you have edited your post twice. Now three times. Again, not trolling. To answer your question, yes, in the scenario you described the team who spent real money on getting stuff sooner is likely to have an advantage, and no, this is still not pay to win. I mean, seriously, guys, have you never played any other games involving micro-transactions? This is just how it works. Starter fits can still kill full officer fits. You can still have superior tactics, superior gun-play, better luck or just in general be more enthusiastic about the game and win by sheer willpower. There is no way you can actually buy a win. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514



GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 16:45:00 - [11] - Quote 8213 wrote: And, if you haven't the resources to discuss the inquiry, please refrain and deposit someone to the discussion that has. You're not my real dad, you can't tell me what to do! But to be serious, I'm posting - in my free time - to answer your questions. You're welcome. I'm done with this topic. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514


GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.20 23:58:00 - [12] - Quote Wow, this is still ongoing? Let me just make one thing crystal clear. 8213 wrote: My argument never changed this thread. It was Archduke that constantly ignored the points I was making and tried to shadow them with his isolated examples. Word of advice, no game developer is ever your fiend or on your side. It's their job to take your money. Archduke was not ignoring the points you were making. Archduke was responding to a thread titled "Pay to win more evident than ever" and to these exact lines: "Eliminate strongboxes, and /or the Warbarge. Both are fueled by AURUM and both are responisible the vast amount of Officer gear in circulation. Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading..." And the response was explaining in detail, how and why DUST 514 is not pay to win, and how both Warbarge and Strongoxes can be used to add officer gear without the use of AUR. You know, maybe I should lock this. It is non-constructive, and now you're bashing me for trying to clear up some misconceptions. Archduke does not approve. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

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