DUST Search - Pay to win more evident than ever

8213 wrote:

TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:

8213 wrote:

The gross amount of "rare" officer gear being use so casually in this game is the perfect proof.

Officer is brought into the game with AURUM.

This game has always been pay to win, but now its out of hand.

Eliminate strongboxes, and /or the Warbarge. Both are fueled by AURUM and both are responisible the vast amount of Officer gear in circulation.

Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading...

Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't it, CCP? ;)

I'm confused. This is a troll right?

I'll explain under the premise that your serious.
Officer gear can't be paid for with Aur. You may get lucky by using your daily Aur (which is free by logging in) to pay for your experiential weapons lab to release what it made and it may be officer gear if your lucky.
Mon I was ecstatic to be lucky enough to get 3 Logibro after a match. Would have been the 6th that I received as salvage ever.
As far as the pay to win idea.....here we go. A merc battles. At end of said battle merc gets compensated in isk (in game currency) to which they use to purchase gear. Many mercs will exchange a lavish amount of isk to mercs willing to give them coveted gear for said isk. Under this understanding there are very wealthy mercs that will exchange this in game currency (earned by playing not paying) in order to gain an edge over the competition. People can do this without paying any actual money thus making your pay to win argument null.

Take care, wasted thread. Cool

So, I can use AURUM to make free ISK... p2w
I can use AURUM to access officer 2/3s the way possible... p2w
Yup, thanks for validating my argument

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8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2	Posted - 2015.10.18 22:57:00 - [1] - Quote The gross amount of "rare" officer gear being use so casually in this game is the perfect proof. Officer is brought into the game with AURUM. This game has always been pay to win, but now its out of hand. Eliminate strongboxes, and /or the Warbarge. Both are fueled by AURUM and both are responisible the vast amount of Officer gear in circulation. Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading... Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't it, CCP? ;) Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP. Audacity of wanting improvement
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:01:00 - [2] - Quote How badly did you get your @$$ whipped today?
8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:03:00 - [3] - Quote Haven't even logged on yet. But seeing is how I have 1000s of "rare" items... And 1000s of other players do to Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP. Audacity of wanting improvement
Daemonn Adima Y.A.M.A.H 419	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:04:00 - [4] - Quote Pretty sure I played with and against you today 8213, either way the quality of the games was really terrible. Redline, rooftops, and 8vs15 all day. Had one superb domination game though, was even the whole time and only 2-3 people on each side had officer/proto going. Ended super close, each with under 50 clones and not even a full notch on our MCC armor!
8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:06:00 - [5] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: Pretty sure I played with and against you today 8213, either way the quality of the games was really terrible. Redline, rooftops, and 8vs15 all day. Had one superb domination game though, was even the whole time and only 2-3 people on each side had officer/proto going. Ended super close, each with under 50 clones and not even a full notch on our MCC armor! Scroll up... I haven't even logged in yet The matchmaking is one issue,, and broken mechanics another. I'm talking about the access to officer gear being called rare, and pay to win Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP. Audacity of wanting improvement
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:07:00 - [6] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: Pretty sure I played with and against you today 8213, either way the quality of the games was really terrible. Redline, rooftops, and 8vs15 all day. Had one superb domination game though, was even the whole time and only 2-3 people on each side had officer/proto going. Ended super close, each with under 50 clones and not even a full notch on our MCC armor! You would probably have better quality games if you didn't queue Domination. You should try queuing for Acquisition.
Arkena Wyrnspire Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 28	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:09:00 - [7] - Quote 8213 wrote: Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading... Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaaaa Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:15:00 - [8] - Quote Consumer fraud on what grounds, exactly? WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 503	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:17:00 - [9] - Quote 8213 wrote: The gross amount of "rare" officer gear being use so casually in this game is the perfect proof. Officer is brought into the game with AURUM. This game has always been pay to win, but now its out of hand. Eliminate strongboxes, and /or the Warbarge. Both are fueled by AURUM and both are responisible the vast amount of Officer gear in circulation. Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading... Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't it, CCP? ;) I'm confused. This is a troll right? I'll explain under the premise that your serious. Officer gear can't be paid for with Aur. You may get lucky by using your daily Aur (which is free by logging in) to pay for your experiential weapons lab to release what it made and it may be officer gear if your lucky. Mon I was ecstatic to be lucky enough to get 3 Logibro after a match. Would have been the 6th that I received as salvage ever. As far as the pay to win idea.....here we go. A merc battles. At end of said battle merc gets compensated in isk (in game currency) to which they use to purchase gear. Many mercs will exchange a lavish amount of isk to mercs willing to give them coveted gear for said isk. Under this understanding there are very wealthy mercs that will exchange this in game currency (earned by playing not paying) in order to gain an edge over the competition. People can do this without paying any actual money thus making your pay to win argument null. Take care, wasted thread.
Vicious Minotaur 3	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:19:00 - [10] - Quote Given how officer stuff can be brought into the game via strongboxes opened with non-AUR daily keys, strongboxes opened via daily-login-AUR-bought keys, and via Warbarge lab-thingamajig (which can be upgraded by freely obtainable components).... ...the term play-to-win seems a little more appropriate. I'm the Minotaur You! Yes, you! You are an illiterate little twit.

Lightning35 Delta514 The Warlords Legion 2	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:19:00 - [11] - Quote Pay to win means you HAVE TO PAY TO AQUIRE STUFF. In dust you can still AQUIRE things without paying so it's NOT technically pay to win, but more "be the clone of tomorrow, TODAY with Aurum". Take for example, I have 30+ rattatis, 40+ scotsmans, 60+ kalantes, and I didn't pay a single cent. All was done through isk. People also farm accounts and we all get free aur. Summa Militum wrote: How badly did you get your @$$ whipped today? I prolly shouldn't even bring this up cuz OP is gonna say something back but he probably must have. I remember this one time I got hatemail from him for..... I don't even know. He didn't state the reason. So I decided to conclude that he was mad because I killed him in a starter fit while he ran pro. I got more kills and less deaths with him. That may or may not be the reason, but that's what I concluded. CEO of T-W-L YouTube- Lightning35 Delta514 Twitter- @LD3514
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 2	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:20:00 - [12] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Consumer fraud on what grounds, exactly? Who cares. Just jack up the prices on keys. Youll make more cash because ppl are not going to stop using the best gear. Crush them
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:20:00 - [13] - Quote 8213 wrote: Haven't even logged on yet. But seeing is how I have 1000s of "rare" items... And 1000s of other players do to Rare items?! Boyko this is not Destiny, there is no rare items ;)
Lost Apollo Moose Knuckle Pros 151	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:20:00 - [14] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Consumer fraud on what grounds, exactly? Lol the OP is about to be in the hotseat! Stupid. . . My armor is weak, but my shields are relentless. State 'Rasetsu' Assault Born - April 1, 2013
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:21:00 - [15] - Quote 8213 wrote: Daemonn Adima wrote: Pretty sure I played with and against you today 8213, either way the quality of the games was really terrible. Redline, rooftops, and 8vs15 all day. Had one superb domination game though, was even the whole time and only 2-3 people on each side had officer/proto going. Ended super close, each with under 50 clones and not even a full notch on our MCC armor! Scroll up... I haven't even logged in yet The matchmaking is one issue,, and broken mechanics another. I'm talking about the access to officer gear being called rare, and pay to win I will agree that their is an abundance of Officer Gear in the game right now. CPM and several members of the community have addressed this and are working on a solution for this. As for pay-to-win, I disagree with that. When I first started playing this game it took me 6 months before I truly started spending money on this game and by that time I had already established my character enough not to get brutally slaughtered constantly; keep in mind this was when the weekly SP cap was something like 190,000 SP and my only means of making ISK were through matches and selling salvaged gear back to the market. Nowadays it is easier for newberries to earn ISK and SP to level up their merc without having to spend money.
8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:22:00 - [16] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: 8213 wrote: The gross amount of "rare" officer gear being use so casually in this game is the perfect proof. Officer is brought into the game with AURUM. This game has always been pay to win, but now its out of hand. Eliminate strongboxes, and /or the Warbarge. Both are fueled by AURUM and both are responisible the vast amount of Officer gear in circulation. Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading... Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't it, CCP? ;) I'm confused. This is a troll right? I'll explain under the premise that your serious. Officer gear can't be paid for with Aur. You may get lucky by using your daily Aur (which is free by logging in) to pay for your experiential weapons lab to release what it made and it may be officer gear if your lucky. Mon I was ecstatic to be lucky enough to get 3 Logibro after a match. Would have been the 6th that I received as salvage ever. As far as the pay to win idea.....here we go. A merc battles. At end of said battle merc gets compensated in isk (in game currency) to which they use to purchase gear. Many mercs will exchange a lavish amount of isk to mercs willing to give them coveted gear for said isk. Under this understanding there are very wealthy mercs that will exchange this in game currency (earned by playing not paying) in order to gain an edge over the competition. People can do this without paying any actual money thus making your pay to win argument null. Take care, wasted thread. So, I can use AURUM to make free ISK... p2w I can use AURUM to access officer 2/3s the way possible... p2w Yup, thanks for validating my argument Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP. Audacity of wanting improvement
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:27:00 - [17] - Quote 8213 wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: 8213 wrote: The gross amount of "rare" officer gear being use so casually in this game is the perfect proof. Officer is brought into the game with AURUM. This game has always been pay to win, but now its out of hand. Eliminate strongboxes, and /or the Warbarge. Both are fueled by AURUM and both are responisible the vast amount of Officer gear in circulation. Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading... Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't it, CCP? ;) I'm confused. This is a troll right? I'll explain under the premise that your serious. Officer gear can't be paid for with Aur. You may get lucky by using your daily Aur (which is free by logging in) to pay for your experiential weapons lab to release what it made and it may be officer gear if your lucky. Mon I was ecstatic to be lucky enough to get 3 Logibro after a match. Would have been the 6th that I received as salvage ever. As far as the pay to win idea.....here we go. A merc battles. At end of said battle merc gets compensated in isk (in game currency) to which they use to purchase gear. Many mercs will exchange a lavish amount of isk to mercs willing to give them coveted gear for said isk. Under this understanding there are very wealthy mercs that will exchange this in game currency (earned by playing not paying) in order to gain an edge over the competition. People can do this without paying any actual money thus making your pay to win argument null. Take care, wasted thread. So, I can use AURUM to make free ISK... p2w I can use AURUM to access officer 2/3s the way possible... p2w Yup, thanks for validating my argument Honestly i hate money in games too BUT Possibility to have no restriction stuff similar to stuff what you can achieve free way is DEFO NOT P2W BUT Be their guest, try it (honestly you will lose)
Starlight Burner Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 561	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:28:00 - [18] - Quote How do I directly buy Officer gear with Aurum? CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 503	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:31:00 - [19] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Pay to win means you HAVE TO PAY TO AQUIRE STUFF. In dust you can still AQUIRE things without paying so it's NOT technically pay to win, but more "be the clone of tomorrow, TODAY with Aurum". Take for example, I have 30+ rattatis, 40+ scotsmans, 60+ kalantes, and I didn't pay a single cent. All was done through isk. People also farm accounts and we all get free aur. Summa Militum wrote: How badly did you get your @$$ whipped today? I prolly shouldn't even bring this up cuz OP is gonna say something back but he probably must have. I remember this one time I got hatemail from him for..... I don't even know. He didn't state the reason. So I decided to conclude that he was mad because I killed him in a starter fit while he ran pro. I got more kills and less deaths with him. That may or may not be the reason, but that's what I concluded. Also for consideration at a max of 70 free Aur a day for logging in if a skin or BPO costs 13,000 Aur you can purchase whatever it is for free in 186 days simply by logging in every day.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 2	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:31:00 - [20] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: How do I directly buy Officer gear with Aurum? Open boxes. Or trade AUR for isk. Crush them

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:35:00 - [21] - Quote Pay to Win: A situation where the best possible gear in the game is available for real world cash and not attainable via any other means. Please point out what items are on the purchase-for-money that cannot be attained via any other means that will overpower all other items. Please point out the prototype or officer level gear that cannot be attained from salvage or the NPC market. I will bring it directly to rattati's attention for inclusion in the next hotfix. But first show me on the doll where the officer spam touched you. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
DDx77 Wolf Pack Special Forces Rise Of Legion. 413	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:37:00 - [22] - Quote Man this game is driving the rest of us insane....this dude just went hollow.... Some officer gear is OP but that was the point Free Aurum = Free boosters and Free keys & level 2 trading is not that hard to achieve if you like playing the game So really anyone can get this stuff It's the people that actually spent money on this game that should be this pissed off All the bugs with no fixes, horrible lag, and plenty of evidence that certain regions and players have an unfair advantage vs others
Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:40:00 - [23] - Quote 8213 wrote: The gross amount of "rare" officer gear being use so casually in this game is the perfect proof. Officer is brought into the game with AURUM. This game has always been pay to win, but now its out of hand. Eliminate strongboxes, and /or the Warbarge. Both are fueled by AURUM and both are responisible the vast amount of Officer gear in circulation. Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading... Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't it, CCP? ;) No. Pay to Win is not more evident than ever. Owning the gear never guaranteed anyone victory anyways. I remember using officer nova knives plenty of times but kept on losing the match because my team sucked. At least that was before my PS3 decided to act all weird on me and won't let me install Dust again in an attempt to clean up the client. Strongboxes are just chance based and often time I just get consumable AUR gear that are not even officer. Most of the time, I got the officer gear through trading. It's likely those who sold them to me got them from upgrading their warbarge which can be upgraded WITHOUT spending any AUR on it. Sure, it takes forever to upgrade the warbarge subsystems if you just accumulate the WB Components passively, but there is nothing about the warbarge that forces you to spend AUR. I managed to get my warbarge to at least level 5 with the mobile factory upgraded to at least level 4 without spending a single AUR getting there. And I was about 3/4 of the way towards accumulating enough WB Components passively before my PS3 started to show its age. Sure, strong boxes are fueled by AUR, but you are no longer required to spend AUR to get the keys. You're just encouraged. No one is forcing you to open your wallet. In some events, you get AUR rewards as part of the dialy missions. At the same time, you get at least 1 guaranteed daily mission that strictly rewards you 1 key for just one win and often times you get other daily missions that reward you with keys for more difficult tasks. If there is anything that is far more prevalent right now than it was before, is the promotion of SKINs. But those don't count as pay to win. Also, you still lose the officer gear if you die in a suit fitted with one. And such loses can be expensive. A pair of Nothi's Nova Knives can run up to 200,000 ISK. Officer suits can be over 1 million ISK at times. That's a lot more expensive to lose than proto gear. /queue Uncle from Jackie Chan Adventures "One more thing..." You could have done better to troll. What you're doing is just old. Be creative next time. You know, like John Cena. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:47:00 - [24] - Quote 8213 wrote: ... Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading... Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't it, CCP? ;) You do know that micro-transactions in games is an actual 'thing', right? This is not something "big bad greedy CCP" invented, and is trying to get away with. And as for the pay to win argument: - There is a fix - and easy - daily mission with a key as a reward, so you can open Strongboxes for free. - Warbarge Components are produced by the Mobile Factory, for free. They are also possible daily mission rewards, again, for free. And you can also get some as salvage. Thus, you can use the Experimental Laboratory for free. - You can get AUR for free as a daily login bonus. You can use that on any of the above. - You can buy officer gear for in-game currency, as in, for free. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:49:00 - [25] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: 8213 wrote: ... Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading... Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't it, CCP? ;) You do know that micro-transactions in games is an actual 'thing', right? This is not something "big bad greedy CCP" invented, and is trying to get away with. And as for the pay to win argument: - There is a fix - and easy - daily mission with a key as a reward, so you can open Strongboxes for free. - Warbarge Components are produced by the Mobile Factory, for free. They are also possible daily mission rewards, again, for free. And you can also get some as salvage. Thus, you can use the Experimental Laboratory for free. - You can get AUR for free as a daily login bonus. You can use that on any of the above. - You can buy officer gear for in-game currency, as in, for free. Boyko Duke is here XD
Starlight Burner Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 561	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:51:00 - [26] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: 8213 wrote: ... Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading... Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't it, CCP? ;) You do know that micro-transactions in games is an actual 'thing', right? This is not something "big bad greedy CCP" invented, and is trying to get away with. And as for the pay to win argument: - There is a fix - and easy - daily mission with a key as a reward, so you can open Strongboxes for free. - Warbarge Components are produced by the Mobile Factory, for free. They are also possible daily mission rewards, again, for free. And you can also get some as salvage. Thus, you can use the Experimental Laboratory for free. - You can get AUR for free as a daily login bonus. You can use that on any of the above. - You can buy officer gear for in-game currency, as in, for free. CCP just put you back in yo place boi. (8213) CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
Clobnarr Art.of.Death 88	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:54:00 - [27] - Quote 8213 wrote: The gross amount of "rare" officer gear being use so casually in this game is the perfect proof. Officer is brought into the game with AURUM. This game has always been pay to win, but now its out of hand. Eliminate strongboxes, and /or the Warbarge. Both are fueled by AURUM and both are responisible the vast amount of Officer gear in circulation. Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading... Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't it, CCP? ;) Instead of creating a wall of text, I'll just go straight to a tl;dr You're a ******* idiot .i.
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.10.18 23:55:00 - [28] - Quote From other side of coin i really know about what this boyko talks. I miss times when you paid for game once and that was all. Full concept one price Because tbh f2p games are the most expensive ones these days. Yup i think im really old.
Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.10.19 00:04:00 - [29] - Quote 8213 wrote: So, I can use AURUM to make free ISK... p2w I can use AURUM to access officer 2/3s the way possible... p2w Yup, thanks for validating my argument If by "use AUR to make free ISK" you mean purchase AUR items to sell back to the NPC market with Jara Kumora The Market Agent, than yeah you can make ISK. But it's not free since it cost you AUR to get that. Now that I think about, your statement makes no sense. You might as well get more ISK trading some of those AUR items to another player, but then you're not really making ISK. You are just transferring ISK that already exists in circulation from one player to another. Also, officer gear are not like traditional AUR consumables. A pair of 'Nothi's' Nova Knives requires you to have level 5 skills in Nova Knife Operation with level 3 proficiency. Meanwhile, a pair of 'Pyres' Allotek Nova Knives which are prototype do require one less level compared to the officer. But they are not officer items. And again, you are not guaranteed to win just by buying them and there are already ISK equivalents available. The only difference is the amount of time to get them. I don't see how getting them sooner is considered a win especially when getting them one level before training the normally-required level means you miss out on the potential bonus granted by the one level you have not reached yet. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.10.19 00:13:00 - [30] - Quote 8213 wrote: Officer is brought into the game with AURUM. What are you going on about? The warbarge can be upgraded without spending a dime on AUR. You can passively generate warbarge components to upgrade it, and produce officer weapons, or you can find warbarge components in EoM salvage. Sure, you can purchase AUR to speed up the process, but it's not like the warbarge is an AUR-only feature. Also, I believe CCP is evaluating the drop rate of officer gear from the experimental lab due to it's recent abundance. "I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim



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