DUST Search - Pay to win more evident than ever

8213 wrote:

TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:

8213 wrote:

The gross amount of "rare" officer gear being use so casually in this game is the perfect proof.

Officer is brought into the game with AURUM.

This game has always been pay to win, but now its out of hand.

Eliminate strongboxes, and /or the Warbarge. Both are fueled by AURUM and both are responisible the vast amount of Officer gear in circulation.

Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading...

Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't it, CCP? ;)

I'm confused. This is a troll right?

I'll explain under the premise that your serious.
Officer gear can't be paid for with Aur. You may get lucky by using your daily Aur (which is free by logging in) to pay for your experiential weapons lab to release what it made and it may be officer gear if your lucky.
Mon I was ecstatic to be lucky enough to get 3 Logibro after a match. Would have been the 6th that I received as salvage ever.
As far as the pay to win idea.....here we go. A merc battles. At end of said battle merc gets compensated in isk (in game currency) to which they use to purchase gear. Many mercs will exchange a lavish amount of isk to mercs willing to give them coveted gear for said isk. Under this understanding there are very wealthy mercs that will exchange this in game currency (earned by playing not paying) in order to gain an edge over the competition. People can do this without paying any actual money thus making your pay to win argument null.

Take care, wasted thread. Cool

So, I can use AURUM to make free ISK... p2w
I can use AURUM to access officer 2/3s the way possible... p2w
Yup, thanks for validating my argument

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GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:02:00 - [61] - Quote Jared Fogle wrote: GM Archduke wrote: Again: - There is a fix - and easy - daily mission with a key as a reward, so you can open Strongboxes for free. - Warbarge Components are produced by the Mobile Factory, for free. They are also possible daily mission rewards, again, for free. And you can also get some as salvage. Thus, you can use the Experimental Laboratory for free. - You can get AUR for free as a daily login bonus. You can use that on any of the above. - You can buy officer gear for in-game currency - from other players through Player Trading - as in, for free. Stop it. Common sense will get you banned around these parts. You're right, I should ban this Archduke jerk. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:04:00 - [62] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: You're right, I should ban this Archduke jerk. Don't forget that Breakin Stuff Scumbag. He's a jerk too. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:09:00 - [63] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Again: - There is a fix - and easy - daily mission with a key as a reward, so you can open Strongboxes for free. - Warbarge Components are produced by the Mobile Factory, for free. They are also possible daily mission rewards, again, for free. And you can also get some as salvage. Thus, you can use the Experimental Laboratory for free. - You can get AUR for free as a daily login bonus. You can use that on any of the above. - You can buy officer gear for in-game currency - from other players through Player Trading - as in, for free. I don't disagree with your premise, however it is misleading to say that 'everyone can do the same as everyone else given enough playtime' when the playtime required for a new player (or even a vet honestly) to get the same amount out of usage from certain in game mechanics as someone who pays money for it is outrageously lopsided. If you are an average player logging in every day, playing an average of around 3-4 hours a day, paying no money- your time required to max the warbarge is measured in months or years. If you are an average player as above but you pay money the time it takes you to max out the warbarge is measured in minutes, only the time it takes to make the transactions and click through leveling it up, and the benifits are substantial. It's basically saying 'Yes those who pay us money get all kinds of advantages now, but if you dedicate a year plus of your life to play our game while at a disadvantage, you'll be there too!' That might not technically be 'pay to win', but it equates to 'pay to have a definite advantage over everyone who doesn't until they finally grind an ungodly amount of time to catch up to you which won't be any time soon'. *"Baal comes...and destruction follows him like a storm."*
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 1	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:11:00 - [64] - Quote Are you going to report all the other free games that allow you to spend real money to gain an advantage out there? If spending money wasn't profitable to your in game play, what would be the point and how would CCP make money? I personally haven't spent a dime on this game in over half a year or more, I got plenty of officer gear and suits. How do you suppose I did that? c: The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:14:00 - [65] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Are you going to report all the other free games that allow you to spend real money to gain an advantage out there? If spending money wasn't profitable to your in game play, what would be the point and how would CCP make money? I personally haven't spent a dime on this game in over half a year or more, I got plenty of officer gear and suits. How do you suppose I did that? c: By buying it off the players who did spend money... Any other brainbusters? Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP. Audacity of wanting improvement
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:22:00 - [66] - Quote 8213 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Are you going to report all the other free games that allow you to spend real money to gain an advantage out there? If spending money wasn't profitable to your in game play, what would be the point and how would CCP make money? I personally haven't spent a dime on this game in over half a year or more, I got plenty of officer gear and suits. How do you suppose I did that? c: By buying it off the players who did spend money... Any other brainbusters? I have several hundred officer items that predate strongboxes and player trading. I don't use them. I just hoard them. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
7th Son 7 Hakuna Matatah Inc 1	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:23:00 - [67] - Quote Pay to win? Lmao!, i've spent $5,000 dollars on this game and I still can't win!, you're all just a bunch of gosh darn liars!. That's ok though, my next idea involves sacrificing roadkill to the Gods as a token of my devotion and appreciation . That's gotta work, right? Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ----- OSHO

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:25:00 - [68] - Quote 8213 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: I personally haven't spent a dime on this game in over half a year or more, I got plenty of officer gear and suits. How do you suppose I did that? c: By buying it off the players who did spend money... Any other brainbusters? crumble-crumble-crumble... So you do see that officer gear is available for players who do not spend money on the game! I'm super relieved now, and glad that your concerns were properly addressed. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

Mr.Pepe Le Pew Art.of.Death 319	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:27:00 - [69] - Quote The worst thing about stubborn/ignant a$$ people is them not knowing that they don't know. CEO / Art.of.Death
catsrule D3ATH CARD RUST415 43	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:37:00 - [70] - Quote dust is far from pay to win..., have any of you tried hearthstone (sorry ccp devs) that game is literally **** when it comes to pay to win, so dont ever try to say dust 514 is pay to win!!!!!!!!! Why do we forget the things we want to remember but remember the things we want to forget ~ Unknown

Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 1	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:41:00 - [71] - Quote 8213 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Are you going to report all the other free games that allow you to spend real money to gain an advantage out there? If spending money wasn't profitable to your in game play, what would be the point and how would CCP make money? I personally haven't spent a dime on this game in over half a year or more, I got plenty of officer gear and suits. How do you suppose I did that? c: By buying it off the players who did spend money... Any other brainbusters? I don't buy officer gear off of people. The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:42:00 - [72] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: 8213 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: I personally haven't spent a dime on this game in over half a year or more, I got plenty of officer gear and suits. How do you suppose I did that? c: By buying it off the players who did spend money... Any other brainbusters? crumble-crumble-crumble... So you do see that officer gear is available for players who do not spend money on the game! I'm super relieved now, and glad that your concerns were properly addressed. Avoiding the main point, yet again. HOW is it brought into the game? That's like saying I bought paper from the store. The store makes paper. It doesn't come from a tree first, it comes only from the store. Unless you can tell me that officer gear is not in as much casual use as we all know (your personal BPO excluded of course ), and can back it up with factual evidence, you're still avoiding the point. As a good GM does. I don't thinking its even possible to has a mobile factory on a person warbarge since its introduction without the use of aurum, as a enough time has not elapsed... So, anything produced from the lab on the WB is aurum produced. Stongboxes are sitting at a rough 500:1 box to key ratio, so that would account for less than 1% of total officer gear in the game overall. And EOM drops... I don't know what the percentage for them. But unless it accounts for 50% of officer gear in the game, then you must argue that officer is aurum based, especially at it's current levels of use and attainability. We can joke all you would like. I'm a funny guy. But, for the FOURTH time... HOW DOES THIS MUCH OFFICER GEAR GET BROUGHT INTO THE GAME? Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP. Audacity of wanting improvement
8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:44:00 - [73] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: 8213 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Are you going to report all the other free games that allow you to spend real money to gain an advantage out there? If spending money wasn't profitable to your in game play, what would be the point and how would CCP make money? I personally haven't spent a dime on this game in over half a year or more, I got plenty of officer gear and suits. How do you suppose I did that? c: By buying it off the players who did spend money... Any other brainbusters? I don't buy officer gear off of people. Then where did you obtain it from? And how much is "plenty"? Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP. Audacity of wanting improvement
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 1	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:45:00 - [74] - Quote 8213 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: 8213 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Are you going to report all the other free games that allow you to spend real money to gain an advantage out there? If spending money wasn't profitable to your in game play, what would be the point and how would CCP make money? I personally haven't spent a dime on this game in over half a year or more, I got plenty of officer gear and suits. How do you suppose I did that? c: By buying it off the players who did spend money... Any other brainbusters? I don't buy officer gear off of people. Then where did you obtain it from? And how much is "plenty"? Suits and weapons in the 20's, 30's, and more on some. Come on now, you asked for a brain buster right? :P The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:46:00 - [75] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: 8213 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: 8213 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Are you going to report all the other free games that allow you to spend real money to gain an advantage out there? If spending money wasn't profitable to your in game play, what would be the point and how would CCP make money? I personally haven't spent a dime on this game in over half a year or more, I got plenty of officer gear and suits. How do you suppose I did that? c: By buying it off the players who did spend money... Any other brainbusters? I don't buy officer gear off of people. Then where did you obtain it from? And how much is "plenty"? Suits and weapons in the 20's, 30's, and more on some. Come on now, you asked for a brain buster right? :P How did you obtain it? Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP. Audacity of wanting improvement
catsrule D3ATH CARD RUST415 43	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:48:00 - [76] - Quote 8213 wrote: GM Archduke wrote: 8213 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: I personally haven't spent a dime on this game in over half a year or more, I got plenty of officer gear and suits. How do you suppose I did that? c: By buying it off the players who did spend money... Any other brainbusters? crumble-crumble-crumble... So you do see that officer gear is available for players who do not spend money on the game! I'm super relieved now, and glad that your concerns were properly addressed. Avoiding the main point, yet again. HOW is it brought into the game? That's like saying I bought paper from the store. The store makes paper. It doesn't come from a tree first, it comes only from the store. Unless you can tell me that officer gear is not in as much casual use as we all know (your personal BPO excluded of course ), and can back it up with factual evidence, you're still avoiding the point. As a good GM does. I don't thinking its even possible to has a mobile factory on a person warbarge since its introduction without the use of aurum, as a enough time has not elapsed... So, anything produced from the lab on the WB is aurum produced. Stongboxes are sitting at a rough 500:1 box to key ratio, so that would account for less than 1% of total officer gear in the game overall. And EOM drops... I don't know what the percentage for them. But unless it accounts for 50% of officer gear in the game, then you must argue that officer is aurum based, especially at it's current levels of use and attainability. We can joke all you would like. I'm a funny guy. But, for the FOURTH time... HOW DOES THIS MUCH OFFICER GEAR GET BROUGHT INTO THE GAME? chill, cpp is making money to keep dust even going, when the players stop spending money on dust everything might just collapse Why do we forget the things we want to remember but remember the things we want to forget ~ Unknown
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:53:00 - [77] - Quote I have Mobile Factory V and Experimental Lab II. I produce 600 warbarge components per day and up to 3 officer weapons per day (in exchange for 500-ish warbarge components). Typically I don't claim the Experimental Lab's officer gear but once every other day to ensure I net positive warbarge components. When the lab produces something I don't use I trade it to a corpmate or friend in exchange for something I will use. Total AUR spent on warbarge upgrades or sub-systems: 0 Officer gear per day: 2 (on average) "I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 1	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:59:00 - [78] - Quote 8213 wrote: How did you obtain it? Warbarge, daily keys, salvage, and I trade what I don't use for things I do with a bunch of guys who gets them the same way. No money spent for any of us to get lots of what we need :3 The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
NextDark Knight Hellstorm LLC 903	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:03:00 - [79] - Quote The only way this game is pay to win is if some one pays the developers to finish the damn game. We want this ported.. we want space ship installation drops.. we want starship overviews!! WE WANT IT ALL!! MAKE IT HAPPEN. Caldari Suit Videos Love Caldari - Since 6/29/2012
Sylwester Dziewiecki 511	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:07:00 - [80] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Pay to Win: A situation where the best possible gear in the game is available for real world cash and not attainable via any other means. Please point out what items are on the purchase-for-money that cannot be attained via any other means that will overpower all other items. Please point out the prototype or officer level gear that cannot be attained from salvage or the NPC market. I will bring it directly to rattati's attention for inclusion in the next hotfix. But first show me on the doll where the officer spam touched you. I disagree with your sophisticated explanation of wording with is understandable/sufficiently clear in its basic form. I'm not saying I agree with any one in this topic. So, Pay to Win(deviating from the general gibberish in the topic): I will give you example, because I like it, and it can help you picture things more easily. Let's say we have two teams that are planning to fighting each other at the end of the month, and they have 30 days for preparation. Their real skills are identical, it's like clones from StarWars suppose to fight with each other.. they have same life luggage, if they would get pupy for the Christmas they would call it identical 'Cloudy', because it's so,soo nice. The only difference between two teams is that first team have unlimited amount of cash, and second team have no cash at all(life). Each teams are upgrading Warbarage with limited amount of time - match and daily missions reward, plus AURUM that they both get for daily login. And there is no difference on that except that first team done it on day one with unlimited AURUM, and then focus on buying officer gear from player community for ISK, Boosters, Apex, Skins and everything else I did not mention... So 30 day pass, and I do not need to tell you how did it end for second team because you are intelligent person, right? PS It's so nice to see that CPM mark, damm you had to be smartest guy in your village. G Speed Scout. MM Logi/Assault. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido

8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:08:00 - [81] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: 8213 wrote: How did you obtain it? Warbarge, daily keys, salvage, and I trade what I don't use for things I do with a bunch of guys who gets them the same way. No money spent for any of us to get lots of what we need :3 WB? Do you time travel or how do you combat wait times between upgrades? Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP. Audacity of wanting improvement
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 1	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:15:00 - [82] - Quote 8213 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: 8213 wrote: How did you obtain it? Warbarge, daily keys, salvage, and I trade what I don't use for things I do with a bunch of guys who gets them the same way. No money spent for any of us to get lots of what we need :3 WB? Do you time travel or how do you combat wait times between upgrades? I think I've got it producing 4 a day and 8 max capacity. I've been pretty fortunate getting extra components out of boxes and from salvage, but I've never used aurum on that thing xD The important thing i would say, is get around a bunch of people who you can trust to trade off what you don't use for what you do use. That helps you streamline your inventory. The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:20:00 - [83] - Quote I'm not avoiding the main point. I gave you a detailed list of how to bring officer gear in game without spending AUR, you just don't agree and want to argue. Do you want me to copy paste it in again? GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

8213 Blauhelme E.B.O.L.A. 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:22:00 - [84] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: I'm not avoiding the main point. I gave you a detailed list of how to bring officer gear in game without spending AUR, you just don't agree and want to argue. Do you want me to copy paste it in again? You just avoided the point... again... Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP. Audacity of wanting improvement
NextDark Knight Hellstorm LLC 903	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:25:00 - [85] - Quote I do have to say I'm enjoying this thread. So much officer gear in pub matches today that my standard gear is taking out of the game. Please let them be paying for it so they can pay for the Devs to finish the game. Whomever is arguing about this being pay to win need to spend some time away from the game and grow as a person. Your character will be waiting when you get back and with more skillpoint then when you left. PS : We love you.. hopefully see you back again when we are on Xbox One and PS4. #YOUCANDOIT Caldari Suit Videos Love Caldari - Since 6/29/2012
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 503	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:26:00 - [86] - Quote 8213 wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: 8213 wrote: The gross amount of "rare" officer gear being use so casually in this game is the perfect proof. Officer is brought into the game with AURUM. This game has always been pay to win, but now its out of hand. Eliminate strongboxes, and /or the Warbarge. Both are fueled by AURUM and both are responisible the vast amount of Officer gear in circulation. Of course, I could just forward this all to Sony, and the US BBB, and respective state departments concerning consumer fraud an misleading... Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't it, CCP? ;) I'm confused. This is a troll right? I'll explain under the premise that your serious. Officer gear can't be paid for with Aur. You may get lucky by using your daily Aur (which is free by logging in) to pay for your experiential weapons lab to release what it made and it may be officer gear if your lucky. Mon I was ecstatic to be lucky enough to get 3 Logibro after a match. Would have been the 6th that I received as salvage ever. As far as the pay to win idea.....here we go. A merc battles. At end of said battle merc gets compensated in isk (in game currency) to which they use to purchase gear. Many mercs will exchange a lavish amount of isk to mercs willing to give them coveted gear for said isk. Under this understanding there are very wealthy mercs that will exchange this in game currency (earned by playing not paying) in order to gain an edge over the competition. People can do this without paying any actual money thus making your pay to win argument null. Take care, wasted thread. So, I can use AURUM to make free ISK... p2w I can use AURUM to access officer 2/3s the way possible... p2w Yup, thanks for validating my argument Aurum which you can get for free. Let me guess you likely feel that because I purchased my sweet looking Sever Logi that helps me win right? You completely miss the point. If you wish to purchase Aurum you may. If you wish to Gamble by opening boxes with said Aur have at it. But since you get Aur for free. You may find the same items as salvage, be given the items by friends or merely exchange isk for items you don't have. Get off the soapbox. You don't have an argument to stand on.

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:28:00 - [87] - Quote 8213 wrote: GM Archduke wrote: I'm not avoiding the main point. I gave you a detailed list of how to bring officer gear in game without spending AUR, you just don't agree and want to argue. Do you want me to copy paste it in again? You just avoided the point... again... LOL I'll stop feeding trolls. One last time ways to get officer gear without spending real money for AUR: - There is a fix - and easy - daily mission with a key as a reward, so you can open Strongboxes for free, and get officer gear from them. - Warbarge Components are produced by the Mobile Factory, for free. They are also possible daily mission rewards, again, for free. And you can also get some as salvage. Thus, you can use the Experimental Laboratory for free, and get officer gear. - Officer gear is available as salvage. For free. - You can get AUR for free as a daily login bonus. You can use that on any of the above. No real money spent. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

NextDark Knight Hellstorm LLC 903	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:32:00 - [88] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: - There is a fix - and easy - I'll stop feeding trolls . We love the Duke!! Caldari Suit Videos Love Caldari - Since 6/29/2012
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 9	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:33:00 - [89] - Quote 9/10 Got actual replies from players, the CPM, and GM. Will add another point if you get a blue tag. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 1	Posted - 2015.10.19 15:35:00 - [90] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: 8213 wrote: GM Archduke wrote: I'm not avoiding the main point. I gave you a detailed list of how to bring officer gear in game without spending AUR, you just don't agree and want to argue. Do you want me to copy paste it in again? You just avoided the point... again... LOL I'll stop feeding trolls. One last time ways to get officer gear without spending real money for AUR: - There is a fix - and easy - daily mission with a key as a reward, so you can open Strongboxes for free, and get officer gear from them. - Warbarge Components are produced by the Mobile Factory, for free. They are also possible daily mission rewards, again, for free. And you can also get some as salvage. Thus, you can use the Experimental Laboratory for free, and get officer gear. - Officer gear is available as salvage. For free. - You can get AUR for free as a daily login bonus. You can use that on any of the above. No real money spent. Trolls gotta eat some how, not much food under them bridges ~(._.~) The C.E.O. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)



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