Eh, removing sway is double edged. We don't want to end up with the sniper rifle being just a bunch of quick-scoping.

Aeon, I have a challenge for you and me. Let's hunt down sniper videos and log the kill ranges and see what the average kill distance is. My hypothesis is we'll find that the average kill is for sure under 400m and more than likely under 300m.

I think that if we can increase the effectiveness of the sniper's damage application at the cost of eliminating fringe ranges we can improve the game play of the sniper role for the role itself and the entire community.

Extending from my proposal in the previous post:

300m range / 373 damage
350m range / 340 damage
400m range / 250 damage
450m range / 221 damage

And there you have it. Redline snipers would fundamentally be neutered if they wanted to do anything besides guard the home-point unless they were really accurate with the headshots while counter-snipers (real-snipers) would be precise enough to use any of the sniper rifles and still warrant effectiveness.

This increases the difficulty of achieving high damage output, practically forcing headshots, but rewarding taking the risk of lower ranges through higher base damage (essentially allowing you to make those body shots).

All I ask is that if we go with this model that Snipers get -SOMETHING- to make them more effective team-players. Make my job easier and I'm more likely to play ball, but throwing out 'nerf this, nerf that, I challenge you to this' is just going to frustrate me.

Interesting points about damage vs range modifiers.

I still think vehicles need to be addressed, but head shots should always be instant kill no matter what.

If that is to offensive to some then make headshot:
proto/officer instant kill
adv 75%
basic/milita 50%

rewards accuracy with new zoom function and lets cry babies have some protection.

But really why are you not talking about forges sniping with 100% kills even at milita levels?
Why is it ok to be killed by a forge but not a sniper?

Wait.... All you did was add damage drop off..... I'm fine with that so long as within 300m, we get that 373 damage.....

Well we could modify the Red Lines to avoid total invulnerability to all by Counter Sniping.


How about have two Red Lines?
- Boarder zone will be just like the current Red Line with enemy being killed if they remain too long.
- Deep in the Red Line will provide the same protection from enemy incursion, but your weapons will not work. You can spawn, resupply, repair, but not shoot.

So in the intermediate zone between the inner and outer boundary of the Red Line there will be a Zone where team members can Snipe, but this area will also be accessible to quick enemy incursions, particularly by speed fit Scouts, but for other fits as well. (I have often run into the Red Line on my Sentinel to kill Snipers.)

In areas which are deep enough in the Red Line that the enemy can't get there and get out again before the timer runs out, no weapons will operate.

This would leave an engagement zone for Red Lined matches, but would not allow Snipers to operate in completely risk free areas.

Same reason it's okay to snipe with a 20GJ railgun turret, take's time and accuracy, you see where the double standard's lie right?

You can forge gun snipe because it requires a heavy suit, but snipe in a medium or light suit, "HOLD THE PRESSES!" (We still have those?) it because a major problem that apparently need's to be addressed, cause sniping and stealth shouldn't go hand in hand together. Or that the weapon does too much damage (yet still compare it to an FG and you get the same results).

If you want Snipers out of the redline, you have to give them a legitimate reason to leave the safety of it.

GǪGǪ. This is a repeat of an opinion I expressed about "Sniper" several months ago.

I'm familiar with the changes and they always stopped short. The sniper role needs to be less about crouching in one spot far from the action and more about moving with the team on the battlefield. I still remember snipers like Sleepy Zan that would be right in the thick of things with us.

The sniper rifle needs the range reduced to increase the risk while using the weapon while at the same time upping the reward by buffing it's damage application. Also, something that has been missing for a long time that would be a huge boon to the sniper is the ability to spot enemies and get intel assist points if the targets are destroyed.

Increasing the zoom, especially on the tactical, is a terrible way to go and would further eliminate the ability of a player to assist team mates with the sniper rifle at 300m and under ranges.

Increasing the zoom is not bad. We need that and you can adjust to your needs. Someone requested the current zoom be the farthest, which is laughable. We should have it go beyond the current zoom for the farthest. There needs to be true immersion and depth in the functionality like a real Sniper Rifle. That is why we need to keep the sway. That is something people are just going to have to deal with because this is what a Sniper Rifle does. These are the things we should have involved with sniping. There are also more pressing issues than redline snipers. Also, as another person said, it is true that nothing should shoot farther than a sniper rifle or it degrades the sniper rifle and takes away from it. No forge or any other weapon should get the distance a sniper can get with a scope so fix the zoom to do that and it does not matter who uses what weapon from a far range, just so long as the sniper rifle is king as it actually is.

There is no issue you can name that a team who is not lazy can not deal with. Many teams are very focused, squad or no squad. Just remember, if they can shoot you, you can shoot them. Whether or not their method annoys you is a different story.

I absolutely despise redline snipers, they give real Snipers a bad name.

I think a lot of people have a mutual hatred of them but I think too many people try to whack the redline snipers in the head with a shovel and catch real snipers in the crossfire.

Just wish people would stop making our job harder.

I don't think you understood me, so I will tell you a,second time. Redline Snipers are bad for their own team and help the enemy team. This is because they reduce the amount of people that can take and protect points for their own team. When the enemy has a lot of redline snipers I know thay it will be an easy match.

Though, the Forge gun is the anti-material Sniper Rifle. It's the Barrette 50. of Dust.

Also, Sniper Rifles should have their present zoom be the farthest zoom because Redline Snipers are an issue. They are not an issue for the enemy team, but they do handy cap their own team.

I have no objection to increasing Zoom. Give me feedback.

Is it possible to implement adjustable zoom like you would see in Halo?

Or just leave an already overpowered area alone. OHK is a terrible mechanic. Most snipes can do 500+ per shot now and most advanced suits or lower are below that. So it does not take a head shot to kill 90% of players under 25 mill SP. I can tell you as a new player that having some guy hiding in the red line at 17/0 with an officers snipe does not make you want to play more. You can only take cover if you know where they are so the first kill is free, and that's assuming you even know where to look after that. Sniping has a place in Dust, just not the place the OP wants. No one but the few guys who love doing it wants to see it get any stronger than it already is.

Its a virtually risk free mechanic that is abusable on a lot of maps. The fact you see guys in commando doing it tells you something is wrong. I can tell you I have seen one sniper hold down a single or even two points by wall glitching or hill glitching where you cant be seen. Making that easier even without the glitching would make the game even less fun that it currently is. Because I will reiterate, NO ONE LIKES TO BE OHK. Read the nade posts, basically the same thing. This game is about strategy and counter play. 300m OHKs don't allow for much of that. Before the usual stream of "how to kill a sniper post follows", realize that counter play has to happen before you get OHKed.