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el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.11 23:54:00 - [31] - Quote inb4qqlogis damn, too late. <3s anyways. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.12 00:06:00 - [32] - Quote DR DEESE NUTS wrote: Lol. Nova knives are plasma and cqc oriented. They are obviously Gallente. Don't know why people think there Caldari. It's literally the opposite of the Caldari doctrine which shoot from long range and make every shot count. Oppose to Gallente which get in close and bi tch` slap them with loads of damage. Every military force that has ever existed whether they favored close, long, mounted, or foot have always trained their soldiers for cqc. Saying knives are caldari philosophy is ignorant as its usually a last resort for any person. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
DDx77 Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 293	Posted - 2015.06.12 00:07:00 - [33] - Quote Yes the min scout needs a buff like this big time. I like your idea for nova knives, what if there was a second proficiency skill for this extra 25% damage? The cal scout feels like it needs some love in the same way Amarr does - some added scan range? (I forget what/if the cal had a better bonus before) Ever since the radius scan change the Amarr scout became almost useless The gal scout is great as usual
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.12 00:19:00 - [34] - Quote I would love to have my hacking bonus back, btw. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
Nachos 331	Posted - 2015.06.12 00:24:00 - [35] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Oh and btw, in the OP you mentioned that the Gal Scout with 2 Codebreakers hacks as fast as a Min Scout with 1 Codebreaker, but that's not true. A Min Scout with 1 Codebreaker hacks faster than a Gal Scout with 2 Codebreakers. they hack equally as fast...min scout bonus is 25%+ cmp codebreaker which brings it to 50% gal scout gets 2 x 25% bonuses because codebreakers have no stacking penalties xavier zor's alt
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary 7	Posted - 2015.06.12 00:35:00 - [36] - Quote I stopped taking you seriously once you suggested using kincats with knives. Rule 34.6.1: every parody will have a crossover
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.12 00:46:00 - [37] - Quote 'Nerf Gal Logi Scans' thread in disguise, lol. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Dzago Sevatarion DUST University Ivy League 16	Posted - 2015.06.12 01:01:00 - [38] - Quote DR DEESE NUTS wrote: Lol. Nova knives are plasma and cqc oriented. They are obviously Gallente. Don't know why people think there Caldari. It's literally the opposite of the Caldari doctrine which shoot from long range and make every shot count. Oppose to Gallente which get in close and bi tch` slap them with loads of damage. http://dust514.com/media/concept-art/caldari-nova-knife/
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.12 01:08:00 - [39] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I stopped taking you seriously once you suggested using kincats with knives. I run KinCats on all my knifing fits. Am I doing it wrong? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.12 01:11:00 - [40] - Quote @ OP An alternative idea. Rather than adding a +3% per level bonus to scan profile for all Scouts, why not reinstate Cloak's Active Damp bonus? This would achieve a similar end (for Scouts who run cloak) and would make the equipment more useful. The battlefield has changed substantially since cloak's active damp bonus was originally nerfed. It'd be a simple change, and I don't think it'd be overpowered. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)

el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.12 01:11:00 - [41] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I stopped taking you seriously once you suggested using kincats with knives. I run KinCats on all my knifing fits. Am I doing it wrong? only if you're complaining about not being damped enough. Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.12 01:15:00 - [42] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I stopped taking you seriously once you suggested using kincats with knives. I run KinCats on all my knifing fits. Am I doing it wrong? only if you're complaining about not being damped enough. I believe you dropped this: * hands crutch * Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.12 01:19:00 - [43] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I stopped taking you seriously once you suggested using kincats with knives. I run KinCats on all my knifing fits. Am I doing it wrong? only if you're complaining about not being damped enough. I believe you dropped this: * hands crutch * Thank you, here these are yours. slowly pours out bucket of tears Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.12 01:20:00 - [44] - Quote Nachos wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Oh and btw, in the OP you mentioned that the Gal Scout with 2 Codebreakers hacks as fast as a Min Scout with 1 Codebreaker, but that's not true. A Min Scout with 1 Codebreaker hacks faster than a Gal Scout with 2 Codebreakers. they hack equally as fast...min scout bonus is 25%+ cmp codebreaker which brings it to 50% gal scout gets 2 x 25% bonuses because codebreakers have no stacking penalties The spreadsheet in this thread confirms that a Min Scout with 1 Codebreaker hacks faster than a Gal Scout with 2 Codebreakers. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
maybe deadcatz Horizons' Edge No Context 86	Posted - 2015.06.12 01:34:00 - [45] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Hmm... What kind of bonus could we have to replace the Nova Knife damage bonus? Or could we still keep our damage bonus and have super duper Knives? The Scout bonuses seem to be working ok to me, and I don't think they really need another major shake-up since the last one when the Cal Scout was OP, or even when the Amarr Scout was the best back when we had a larger Scan Radius. I think the only Scout that should have it's bonuses looked is the Amarr Scout. the amarr scout bonus is fine if CCP touches that I'm done. The only reason I can standard stomp is because of that stamina bonus. Ewar? What's that? Some kind of fancy new way of being lazy? Learn how to use your eyes and ears you maggots.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 976	Posted - 2015.06.12 01:47:00 - [46] - Quote Interestingly I made almost the exact same proposal in the barbershop a while back. A potential alternative Gallente scout bonus would be to cloak duration/recharge. Or give Caldari the cloak bonus and Galente scan range, if you want to be more racially aligned. There are issues however. Firstly there is the danger of making the Minmatar scout overpowered. Also, whilst I like the idea of making knives more viable on other suits, removing the knife bonus to Min scouts potentially loses the flavour and heart of the suit. Knives are part of a Min scout's identity. Losing the bonus, even if knife damage was buffed generally, would remove that identity.
maybe deadcatz Horizons' Edge No Context 87	Posted - 2015.06.12 01:50:00 - [47] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Interestingly I made almost the exact same proposal in the barbershop a while back. A potential alternative Gallente scout bonus would be to cloak duration/recharge. Or give Caldari the cloak bonus and Galente scan range, if you want to be more racially aligned. There are issues however. Firstly there is the danger of making the Minmatar scout overpowered. Also, whilst I like the idea of making knives more viable on other suits, removing the knife bonus to Min scouts potentially loses the flavour and heart of the suit. Knives are part of a Min scout's identity. Losing the bonus, even if knife damage was buffed generally, would remove that identity. Preach it brother, oh wait I'm the runt scout the AK.0 Ewar? What's that? Some kind of fancy new way of being lazy? Learn how to use your eyes and ears you maggots.
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.12 02:01:00 - [48] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Interestingly I made almost the exact same proposal in the barbershop a while back. A potential alternative Gallente scout bonus would be to cloak duration/recharge. Or give Caldari the cloak bonus and Galente scan range, if you want to be more racially aligned. There are issues however. Firstly there is the danger of making the Minmatar scout overpowered. Also, whilst I like the idea of making knives more viable on other suits, removing the knife bonus to Min scouts potentially loses the flavour and heart of the suit. Knives are part of a Min scout's identity. Losing the bonus, even if knife damage was buffed generally, would remove that identity. Preach it brother, oh wait I'm the runt scout the AK.0 I remember when the Minja was the runt Scout... /nostalgic sigh Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
maybe deadcatz Horizons' Edge No Context 90	Posted - 2015.06.12 02:02:00 - [49] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Interestingly I made almost the exact same proposal in the barbershop a while back. A potential alternative Gallente scout bonus would be to cloak duration/recharge. Or give Caldari the cloak bonus and Galente scan range, if you want to be more racially aligned. There are issues however. Firstly there is the danger of making the Minmatar scout overpowered. Also, whilst I like the idea of making knives more viable on other suits, removing the knife bonus to Min scouts potentially loses the flavour and heart of the suit. Knives are part of a Min scout's identity. Losing the bonus, even if knife damage was buffed generally, would remove that identity. Preach it brother, oh wait I'm the runt scout the AK.0 I remember when the Minja was the runt Scout... /nostalgic sigh I might not now how it was back then(I joined around uprising) bu t I know the runt lifestyle. Rattati tried to drown my kind Ewar? What's that? Some kind of fancy new way of being lazy? Learn how to use your eyes and ears you maggots.
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.12 02:08:00 - [50] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Interestingly I made almost the exact same proposal in the barbershop a while back. A potential alternative Gallente scout bonus would be to cloak duration/recharge. Or give Caldari the cloak bonus and Galente scan range, if you want to be more racially aligned. There are issues however. Firstly there is the danger of making the Minmatar scout overpowered. Also, whilst I like the idea of making knives more viable on other suits, removing the knife bonus to Min scouts potentially loses the flavour and heart of the suit. Knives are part of a Min scout's identity. Losing the bonus, even if knife damage was buffed generally, would remove that identity. Preach it brother, oh wait I'm the runt scout the AK.0 I remember when the Minja was the runt Scout... /nostalgic sigh I might not now how it was back then(I joined around uprising) bu t I know the runt lifestyle. Rattati tried to drown my kind Heheheh, I joined after Uprising 1.8, and the Minja was still the runt even then. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3

maybe deadcatz Horizons' Edge No Context 93	Posted - 2015.06.12 02:10:00 - [51] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Interestingly I made almost the exact same proposal in the barbershop a while back. A potential alternative Gallente scout bonus would be to cloak duration/recharge. Or give Caldari the cloak bonus and Galente scan range, if you want to be more racially aligned. There are issues however. Firstly there is the danger of making the Minmatar scout overpowered. Also, whilst I like the idea of making knives more viable on other suits, removing the knife bonus to Min scouts potentially loses the flavour and heart of the suit. Knives are part of a Min scout's identity. Losing the bonus, even if knife damage was buffed generally, would remove that identity. Preach it brother, oh wait I'm the runt scout the AK.0 I remember when the Minja was the runt Scout... /nostalgic sigh I might not now how it was back then(I joined around uprising) bu t I know the runt lifestyle. Rattati tried to drown my kind Heheheh, I joined after Uprising 1.8, and the Minja was still the runt even then. I just got my new ishy knives and I'm having a blast. Some minjumpspam noobtuber got his throat cut midair as he came down. Best moment of my day. Ewar? What's that? Some kind of fancy new way of being lazy? Learn how to use your eyes and ears you maggots.
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.12 02:16:00 - [52] - Quote maybe deadcatz wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: Preach it brother, oh wait I'm the runt scout the AK.0 I remember when the Minja was the runt Scout... /nostalgic sigh I might not now how it was back then(I joined around uprising) bu t I know the runt lifestyle. Rattati tried to drown my kind Heheheh, I joined after Uprising 1.8, and the Minja was still the runt even then. I just got my new ishy knives and I'm having a blast. Some minjumpspam noobtuber got his throat cut midair as he came down. Best moment of my day. It was saxonmish, wasn't it? His entire squad and him were running Min Assaults with stacked Myos and Mass Drivers or PLCs today; was annoying as Hell. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
maybe deadcatz Horizons' Edge No Context 93	Posted - 2015.06.12 02:18:00 - [53] - Quote deadcatz]Preach it brother, oh wait I'm the runt scout the AK.0[/quote] I remember when the Minja was the runt Scout... /nostalgic sigh [/quote] I might not now how it was back then(I joined around uprising) bu t I know the runt lifestyle. Rattati tried to drown my kind [/quote] Heheheh, I joined after Uprising 1.8, and the Minja was still the runt even then.[/quote] I just got my new ishy knives and I'm having a blast. Some minjumpspam noobtuber got his throat cut midair as he came down. Best moment of my day. [/quote] It was saxonmish, wasn't it? His entire squad and him were running Min Assaults with stacked Myos and Mass Drivers or PLCs today; was annoying as Hell.[/quote] Naw. Haven't run into him. It was some random can only play with op stuff or he sucks noon. Ewar? What's that? Some kind of fancy new way of being lazy? Learn how to use your eyes and ears you maggots.
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H No Context 667	Posted - 2015.06.12 02:56:00 - [54] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: His entire squad and him were running Min Assaults with stacked Myos and Mass Drivers or PLCs today; was annoying as Hell. For once I was glad I didn't play today, for even someone as stubborn as me would have rage quit if I saw not one but six jumpy assault mk.0 with AOE weapons and proceed to throw my controller at the wall with the velocity equivalent to the forge Click me
el OPERATOR Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.12 03:30:00 - [55] - Quote intermittent short period long-cooldown scan bump! Open-Beta Vet. CAPCRO Nomad. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
DR DEESE NUTS 117	Posted - 2015.06.12 05:00:00 - [56] - Quote The reason its Caldari is most likely because the devs didn't know alot about the lore and wanted to put a cqc knive sidearm. But one of the aurum varients of the nova knife is called pyrus allotek so that's one nova knive produced by the Gallente which leads me to believe the devs truly didn't decide what race the nova knive belongs with the minmatar using it the best. . The nova knife is the who're of all the weapon. The USS m`dick
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy No Context 4	Posted - 2015.06.12 05:12:00 - [57] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Heheheh, I joined after Uprising 1.8, and the Minja was still the runt even then. Eh, I don't think so... Amarr Scout was always the runt scout because it couldn't play as one, it was (and is) always made to fit the light assault role, and is outclassed by the actual Amarr Assault there. Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons I am the Anti-FoTM
maybe deadcatz Horizons' Edge No Context 96	Posted - 2015.06.12 05:20:00 - [58] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Heheheh, I joined after Uprising 1.8, and the Minja was still the runt even then. Eh, I don't think so... Amarr Scout was always the runt scout because it couldn't play as one, it was (and is) always made to fit the light assault role, and is outclassed by the actual Amarr Assault there. That's how I play my runt. As a mini bruiser that gas more stamina than all other suits Ewar? What's that? Some kind of fancy new way of being lazy? Learn how to use your eyes and ears you maggots.
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC 1	Posted - 2015.06.12 05:47:00 - [59] - Quote DDx77 wrote: Yes the min scout needs a buff like this big time. Not at all true. So basically the anti-general nova knife buff argument is "nuuuu we cants be scoutly bustards with minscout nks, it'll lose the flavour of the suit." I mean if you like pathogenic reasoning like this that favors individual preference over general game balance, I'd advise you to agree. I'd advise you to become a communist, I'd advise you to believe religion over science, I'd advise you to hate people for their race. Baseless emotional arguments/ideas have their place is society right? GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
DDx77 Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 295	Posted - 2015.06.12 07:44:00 - [60] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: DDx77 wrote: Yes the min scout needs a buff like this big time. Not at all true. So basically the anti-general nova knife buff argument is "nuuuu we cants be scoutly bustards with minscout nks, it'll lose the flavour of the suit." I mean if you like pathogenic reasoning like this that favors individual preference over general game balance, I'd advise you to agree. I'd advise you to become a communist, I'd advise you to believe religion over science, I'd advise you to become an extremist for that religion, I'd advise you to hate people for their race. Baseless emotional arguments/ideas have their place is society right? -- How does giving a scout - that is considered a ninja- a dampening bonus disrupt game balance? Are we talking about triple repped tanks that can die? It's.a. scout Do you play this role? The minjas fun, but the Gal can do almost everything it does. Any comments on why the OPs suggestion would tip the scales of balance without batpoop rhetoric? The suit can keep its knives bonus too if you're afraid that they'll somehow be a plague of op scouts with knives. The reason I personally don't care if they get buffed in this way is b/c it doesn't matter. if a scout has the drop on you with knives - you are ded Baseless emotional arguments? Such as bringing views on communism, religion, and racism to somehow show that buffing nova knives is going to flatten the scouts and make them all the same? Not exactly sure where you were going with your point. "Anti- general argument"? - So I should just be "general" and go along with everyone else? Wtf does that mean? Maybe I'd advise you to move to North Korea and advise you to pretend that Kim Jon is God even though you have a Jr science kit in your basement where you experiment with cats to find out if they are both living and dead & Do you know what communism is? Even if they gave the knife bonus to all the scouts and let's go further - everysuit in the game -this would still not be communism Communism would be saying the Gal, Amarr, and cal scouts are too strong and unfair to the minmatar. Therefore we are REMOVING all other scouts except minmatar from the game. See, one scout. One toothbrush, one toothpaste , one news channel. That's communism But I guess elitest DB's that like to run their mouths have their place in society right?



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