I gots the lube.

That rings true lore wise but what about the model design? It undeniably looks like caldari tech with straight edges and sharp corners.

I stopped taking you seriously once you suggested using kincats with knives.

only if you're complaining about not being damped enough.

I think you guys are forgetting the fact that the min scout still has a speed hack bonus, which becomes more useful with the newly added stealth.

Proposal

Completely false statement. I know it to be true that using knives on anything other than a min scout is a joke. Literally everyone gawks at anyone in game who even tries to put knives on a heavy, assault, and most scouts. You people are so damn detached from the game it really bugs me seeing you nerds on these forums amid the few that actually play it.

Literally the bronies of the community.

Scouts, not heavies, not assaults, not logies, not amarr scout. I guess viable on most other frames is right, you know the 3/16 ratio really says it all. "Totally balanced for every suit to enjoy." Goodness I'm gonna puke at the ignorance in this statement, look buddy I don't care about your dumb fits, I know you don't play this game enough if you honestly perpetuate the (stupid) idea that the min scout(or scouts whatever you're suggesting) should be the only suit to use nova knifes.

If you do play the game, and are in fact pushing 90 million sp then run it on an assault, you have to be doing something with all that sp right? I doubt it all went into cores and "scutly bustardnes prof 69."

1. Hp and strafe speed of the minmatar scout is the biggest factor in their survivability which is still sizable.

2. There is absolutely no way that nova knives would become OP because of how little range they cover compared to the other sidearms.

3. Scouts aren't supposed to be weapons specialists, it's made clear by their bonuses.

4. Why can't medium frames and heavy frames have low hp playstyles?

5. I mean in all honesty I haven't seen any low hp suit being competitive anymore, so I think you have a bit of a skewed view of "what Rattati wants," but that's beside the point.

6. A damage buff and minmatar rework would definitely allow knives to be viable on other suits, but in no way impede the ability of the current knife meta to use them, and definitely allow for low hp fits to flourish.

It's worth remembering that a major thrust of this thread is to give Minmatar scouts equal dampening to Gal and Cal scouts, if the knife bonus was removed.

What about Min scout superior speed and stamina, which is supposed to counterbalance the hp and regen difference?

Hmmmmmmm....... enhanced shields. The Min scout's low PG still needs some jiggery pokery to get round.

I would replace one Kincat on the Min with a codebreaker. However, this makes a fair comparison difficult. So instead how about this:

On Min scout-
Swap one shield on the Min scout with a precision enhancer.
Swap one kincat for a ferroscale (yes, abhorent I know, bear with me).
Replace remaining enhanced shields with complex.

On Gal scout-
Swap a shield for a precision.
Swap a kincat for a reactive.

Cal scout-
Leave the same.

Now we have scouts with much more similar stats. All able to passively scan assaults at long range.

The issue now is, the Gal and Cal scout racial bonuses to EWAR (or cloaks is changed) would benefit their ability to use knives, whereas the Min scout hack bonus doesn't.

The Min scout's natural speed and stamina do help it though. And the hack bonus is awesome anyway.

What about Caldari scouts getting more bang for their buck out of using cloaks.

Something like, increased duration as well as more more reduced profile while damped. This would would really well with A. Nothi's idea of scout overhaul.

Plus it makes lore nuts like me happy that all T scouts have an appropriate bonus.

Gallente in DUST are about Passive stealth tanking
While Caldari are active stealth tankers.


And its reversed when it comes to scanning.

give us minmatar knives then or gives us the equivalent power in melee. one way or another the minmatar scout needs someting to be the funnest assassin of all the scouts.

flaylock bonus?

Yes, because minmatar beatscouts running around with 3 myo's punching people for 614 damage while cloaked isn't already annoying enough.

what if we get CCP to reskin the knova knife to minmatar colors and still keep the bonus and change the stats to apply?

So when do we get to the part that explains why intermittent scans in limited areas is a crutch but permanent tacnet invisibility in all areas isn't?

You got that last part right.

Indeed.

If you want to talk to an expert in non constructive arguments el OPERATOR is deffinately the person to talk to.

I do ok at keeping a topic on topic and avoiding the redherring trash that goes for "arguement" in certain circles.

Arguably anything and everything is out of balance.

Why are scans a crutch but tacnet invisibility is not ?

What?!? Scouts aren't supposed to be point defenders or assaults? Well, there went all that hard earned meta....

I don't see a reason why to allow minmatar scouts be the only suit to use nova knives effectively.