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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.31 16:09:00 - [901] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Breakin, push for the Plasma Flamethrower, we need da heat! I already pushed for a plasma mortar! How can I push for a flamethrower??? Oh wait, because we're greedy, greedy bastards... WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.31 16:10:00 - [902] - Quote Show of hands those who play calsent: Who does NOT find a regulator in the low slot useful? Trying to figure out if I'm smoking crack about something. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 655	Posted - 2015.08.31 16:56:00 - [903] - Quote I use CalSent. I find a regulator to be more useful than anything else. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 655	Posted - 2015.08.31 20:57:00 - [904] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Well... what do you think they were researching in that Gallente Research Facility? The perfect bacon to egg ration for a toasted bacon and fried egg samdwich? An egg and two slices of bacon works for me. Your thoughts everyone? For 1 egg, I like 3 rashers of bacon, extra crispy. 5 rashers if it's 2 eggs. Purifier. First Class.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 8	Posted - 2015.08.31 21:18:00 - [905] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Breakin, push for the Plasma Flamethrower, we need da heat! I already pushed for a plasma mortar! How can I push for a flamethrower??? Oh wait, because we're greedy, greedy bastards... #Gallente2HeavyWeaponsNow *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 1	Posted - 2015.08.31 21:25:00 - [906] - Quote Still waiting for amarr heavy weaponry! Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 656	Posted - 2015.08.31 22:30:00 - [907] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Breakin, push for the Plasma Flamethrower, we need da heat! I already pushed for a plasma mortar! How can I push for a flamethrower??? Oh wait, because we're greedy, greedy bastards... #Gallente2HeavyWeaponsNow 2 Guns, 1 suit. Purifier. First Class.
VAHZZ RabbitSwarm 8	Posted - 2015.09.05 17:46:00 - [908] - Quote Gallente Heavy best heavy, Breakin knows it, Joel knows it, even Fox Garden knows it. It deserves 2heat4me, all Amarr need is the Scrambler Lance, we need a flamethrower, the apex of Gal CQC alongside the Shotgun. A mortar just reminds me of the PLC. "I fear all you have done is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." *20XX*
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 964	Posted - 2015.09.05 18:37:00 - [909] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Gallente Heavy best heavy, Breakin knows it, Joel knows it, even Fox Garden knows it. It deserves 2heat4me, all Amarr need is the Scrambler Lance, we need a flamethrower, the apex of Gal CQC alongside the Shotgun. A mortar just reminds me of the PLC. Can someone care to explain to me how the Gal heavy suddenly became the best heavy? Nothing supports this. It's only advantage is keeping a good EHP with a bit more extra fire-power with good resistance types. Which may make it better vs scouts and low EHP suits in CQC - but over-all it still leaves the Amarr superior in heavy vs heavy or generally vs anyone. and the suit itself is far more flexible, enabling you to deal with more situations and suit types. The gal is a jack of all trade but master of none, imo. And that sort of suit rarely does well outside of scrub games.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.09.05 22:06:00 - [910] - Quote I'm partial to the calsent and minsent actually. Heresy, I know, but I do better in them. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.

Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 694	Posted - 2015.09.05 22:58:00 - [911] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Gallente Heavy best heavy, Breakin knows it, Joel knows it, even Fox Garden knows it. It deserves 2heat4me, all Amarr need is the Scrambler Lance, we need a flamethrower, the apex of Gal CQC alongside the Shotgun. A mortar just reminds me of the PLC. Can someone care to explain to me how the Gal heavy suddenly became the best heavy? Nothing supports this. It's only advantage is keeping a good EHP with a bit more extra fire-power with good resistance types. Which may make it better vs scouts and low EHP suits in CQC - but over-all it still leaves the Amarr superior in heavy vs heavy or generally vs anyone. and the suit itself is far more flexible, enabling you to deal with more situations and suit types. The gal is a jack of all trade but master of none, imo. And that sort of suit rarely does well outside of scrub games. Multi purpose Sentinel that's not over specialised/focused on one aspect? Purifier. First Class.
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 1	Posted - 2015.09.06 13:22:00 - [912] - Quote I for one prefer the Amarr sent for it low slots, I like having the ability to mess around with biotics,damps and HP modules. But each has their own playstyle, I'm just putting mine out there Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 968	Posted - 2015.09.06 17:19:00 - [913] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Gallente Heavy best heavy, Breakin knows it, Joel knows it, even Fox Garden knows it. It deserves 2heat4me, all Amarr need is the Scrambler Lance, we need a flamethrower, the apex of Gal CQC alongside the Shotgun. A mortar just reminds me of the PLC. Can someone care to explain to me how the Gal heavy suddenly became the best heavy? Nothing supports this. It's only advantage is keeping a good EHP with a bit more extra fire-power with good resistance types. Which may make it better vs scouts and low EHP suits in CQC - but over-all it still leaves the Amarr superior in heavy vs heavy or generally vs anyone. and the suit itself is far more flexible, enabling you to deal with more situations and suit types. The gal is a jack of all trade but master of none, imo. And that sort of suit rarely does well outside of scrub games. Multi purpose Sentinel that's not over specialised/focused on one aspect? yes, that's an issue in this game. Commando already has that role covered for the most part, with the addition of an equipment slot to make it self-sustainable. I am not joking when i say the Gal Sentinel has no role or purpose in this game that relies on you being able to accomplish a single role better then anyone else for your team. You should assume the other side is going to counter you, specifically you, and what you're doing. The Gal suit will not come out on top under pressure like the Amarr or Cal can, and it's still my belief the Amarr with 4 lows is superior to all. HMG does not need extra fire-power and extra shield is useless. It can't out rep, out move, out HP, it only has damage. And to make the suit seem even worse it's stamina is ridiculously low.
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 968	Posted - 2015.09.06 17:23:00 - [914] - Quote I'm actually just going to say it straight in a rank: Amarr Caldari Minmatar Galente ^ Ranking system for suits for general competitive play. Pub stomp it would be: Minmatar Caldari Amarr Gallente And that's arguable since a 4 complex stack amarr suit is annoying to kill.
Dreis ShadowWeaver Abstract Requiem 7	Posted - 2015.09.06 17:25:00 - [915] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: I'm actually just going to say it straight in a rank: Amarr Caldari Minmatar Galente ^ Ranking system for suits for general competitive play. Pub stomp it would be: Minmatar Caldari Amarr Gallente And that's arguable since a 4 complex stack amarr suit is annoying to kill. I always thought it went: Amarr Gallente Minmatar Caldari Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog CEO of Abstract Requiem
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 968	Posted - 2015.09.06 17:29:00 - [916] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: I'm actually just going to say it straight in a rank: Amarr Caldari Minmatar Galente ^ Ranking system for suits for general competitive play. Pub stomp it would be: Minmatar Caldari Amarr Gallente And that's arguable since a 4 complex stack amarr suit is annoying to kill. I always thought it went: Amarr Gallente Minmatar Caldari Gal is easily the worst, at least the Minmatard suit can specialize and take advantage of it's speed. Gal is just kinda left as the butt of a bad joke.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 8	Posted - 2015.09.06 17:54:00 - [917] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: I'm actually just going to say it straight in a rank: Amarr Caldari Minmatar Galente ^ Ranking system for suits for general competitive play. Pub stomp it would be: Minmatar Caldari Amarr Gallente And that's arguable since a 4 complex stack amarr suit is annoying to kill. I always thought it went: Amarr Gallente Minmatar Caldari Gal is easily the worst, at least the Minmatard suit can specialize and take advantage of it's speed. Gal is just kinda left as the butt of a bad joke. :( *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Dreis ShadowWeaver Abstract Requiem 7	Posted - 2015.09.06 17:54:00 - [918] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: I'm actually just going to say it straight in a rank: Amarr Caldari Minmatar Galente ^ Ranking system for suits for general competitive play. Pub stomp it would be: Minmatar Caldari Amarr Gallente And that's arguable since a 4 complex stack amarr suit is annoying to kill. I always thought it went: Amarr Gallente Minmatar Caldari Gal is easily the worst, at least the Minmatard suit can specialize and take advantage of it's speed. Gal is just kinda left as the butt of a bad joke. But doesn't it combine high HP with above-average regen? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog CEO of Abstract Requiem
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 8	Posted - 2015.09.06 18:01:00 - [919] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: I'm actually just going to say it straight in a rank: Amarr Caldari Minmatar Galente ^ Ranking system for suits for general competitive play. Pub stomp it would be: Minmatar Caldari Amarr Gallente And that's arguable since a 4 complex stack amarr suit is annoying to kill. I always thought it went: Amarr Gallente Minmatar Caldari Gal is easily the worst, at least the Minmatard suit can specialize and take advantage of it's speed. Gal is just kinda left as the butt of a bad joke. But doesn't it combine high HP with above-average regen? No. You can either have one or the other. I can only achieve around 900ish armor and 10ish repair. It's really trash, even if you have a logi. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 968	Posted - 2015.09.06 19:37:00 - [920] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: I'm actually just going to say it straight in a rank: Amarr Caldari Minmatar Galente ^ Ranking system for suits for general competitive play. Pub stomp it would be: Minmatar Caldari Amarr Gallente And that's arguable since a 4 complex stack amarr suit is annoying to kill. I always thought it went: Amarr Gallente Minmatar Caldari Gal is easily the worst, at least the Minmatard suit can specialize and take advantage of it's speed. Gal is just kinda left as the butt of a bad joke. But doesn't it combine high HP with above-average regen? No. You can either have one or the other. I can only achieve around 900ish armor and 10ish repair. It's really trash, even if you have a logi. Exactly correct, 10 hp doesn't cut it, every second you'll be getting 1 bullet of life back from guns shooting 50+ a second. and it doesn't stack well like the Amarr does, and the Amarr Sent has the highest stamina, enabling it to do quite a bit with those lows, creating awesome mixes of speed and regain. With a base of 740+ health and great types of resistance, the Amarr Sent is and has been king since the Gal and Amarr slots were switched. Caldari being a close second because the regen in a smart players hands can be quite insane. Minmtard, again, just pub stomp, and Gal, just bad :3

Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 697	Posted - 2015.09.06 19:48:00 - [921] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: and Gal, just bad :3 In that case, 99% of AmSents I see just suck, since they lose to GalSents in firefights. Purifier. First Class.
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 968	Posted - 2015.09.06 20:47:00 - [922] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: and Gal, just bad :3 In that case, 99% of AmSents I see just suck, since they lose to GalSents in firefights. yes sir. increased damage will always give you a great edge if you know your positioning to shoot down pub heavies. And they run around with there head cut off relying on leg support. Judge a heavies effectiveness in PC matches where the other side really wants your points and knows how to take it. The Gal suit being unable to specialize in effectiveness grants an edge to any heavy it fights, making it generally an anti-everything else suit for decent HP and fire power. But there's no point in a suit like that with how much firepower the HMG offers. It's TTK on average without damage mods is almost identical to having 2 damage mods on. And the Amarr Sentinel has a greater resistance versus HMG's then the Galente suit does, with a natural higher stamina, considerably so. I will never understand the value people see in that suit when it's easily over-come by a modified to handle you Amarr or Caldari suit. Gal made more sense when HMG's didn't over-heat so quickly, forcing them into cover. We have to play smarter now then before because of that nerf, and suits that can self-support or over-whelm are in favor, and Gal excels at neither.
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 697	Posted - 2015.09.06 21:06:00 - [923] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: The Gal suit being unable to specialize in effectiveness grants an edge to any heavy it fights, making it generally an anti-everything else suit for decent HP and fire power. I have to disagree. It may not specialise like the other suits, but that doesn't automatically put it at a disadvantage. if anything, not specialising and being a general purpose suit actually allows it to adapt to the changing flow of battle without needing to go back to a supply depot. Just my opinion, but I'd rather have a jack-of-all-trades suit than a can't-do-anything-without-a-logi-on-me suit, because that's how the AmSent comes across to me; the go-to suit for Logi spam. Purifier. First Class.
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 968	Posted - 2015.09.06 21:28:00 - [924] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: The Gal suit being unable to specialize in effectiveness grants an edge to any heavy it fights, making it generally an anti-everything else suit for decent HP and fire power. I have to disagree. It may not specialise like the other suits, but that doesn't automatically put it at a disadvantage. if anything, not specialising and being a general purpose suit actually allows it to adapt to the changing flow of battle without needing to go back to a supply depot. Just my opinion, but I'd rather have a jack-of-all-trades suit than a can't-do-anything-without-a-logi-on-me suit, because that's how the AmSent comes across to me; the go-to suit for Logi spam. Incorrect. The specialized suits are better adapters. Higher regen means more chances to survive a bad situation, and speed to escape them. Enabling much more to your limited range in getting from point A to B then the Gal suit could offer. Which is why the lack of stamina is an issue with the Gal suit - it can't go very far from the objective and expect to get back in any reasonable time. Gross for adaptability. And the only specialized suit that requires a logi is the HP one - and it's the most hated to use heavy for it's inability to adapt to anything. Speed, Survival, Kill, these determin a suits 'adaptability' - and since we can't E-War we're limited to over-all adaptations compared to other suits. it sucks, but so does Gal :) And I don't want to say that's just an opinion, there's just too much to support it. Gal suit has nothing going for it. There's a better suit in the Amarr or Caldari to beat the Gal each time in a 1v1 if the scenario is fair for both sides. Heavy DMG Modifiers were barely useful at 10% - now they're not even 5. So either stack 3 and go all in or don't go for it. EDIT: I'd also like to point out only the Caldari and the Rep stacked Amarr Sent are sustainable without a logi to keep a push going. Gal suits, even if they tried to rep stack, lack a lot of base armor HP to make it as useful, and the Amarr still can stack a higher total regen.
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 697	Posted - 2015.09.06 21:39:00 - [925] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: And I don't want to say that's just an opinion, there's just too much to support it. Gal suit has nothing going for it. There's a better suit in the Amarr or Caldari to beat the Gal each time in a 1v1 if the scenario is fair for both sides. Heavy DMG Modifiers were barely useful at 10% - now they're not even 5. So either stack 3 and go all in or don't go for it. Except that I've seen Cal and Am in PC drop to Gal; Cal because once the shields go its hard for the Cal to survive if it can't get back to cover and the Am because it didn't have a logi on it at all times. And yes, it is just your opinion that the Gal sucks, just like it's my opinion the Am is only useful with a logi permanently tethered to its arse-plate. If you want to say the Gal needs a buff, then say it needs a buff, don't **** all over the suit and then lord up your own. Purifier. First Class.
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 968	Posted - 2015.09.07 01:22:00 - [926] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: And I don't want to say that's just an opinion, there's just too much to support it. Gal suit has nothing going for it. There's a better suit in the Amarr or Caldari to beat the Gal each time in a 1v1 if the scenario is fair for both sides. Heavy DMG Modifiers were barely useful at 10% - now they're not even 5. So either stack 3 and go all in or don't go for it. Except that I've seen Cal and Am in PC drop to Gal; Cal because once the shields go its hard for the Cal to survive if it can't get back to cover and the Am because it didn't have a logi on it at all times. And yes, it is just your opinion that the Gal sucks, just like it's my opinion the Am is only useful with a logi permanently tethered to its arse-plate. If you want to say the Gal needs a buff, then say it needs a buff, don't ** all over the suit and then lord up your own. EDIT: In fact, perhaps one of your earlier comments would be best for the Gal Sent's "speciality;" Shadowed Cola wrote: The Gal suit being unable to specialize in effectiveness grants an edge to any heavy it fights, making it generally an anti-everything else suit for decent HP and fire power. So it's the anti-infantry suit for anything that's not a Sentinel, which is 90% of infantry suits, and even then it's not completely written off. lol, you forgot to add the rest of the comment where I say another race can still do it better. I don't understand why you prefer Gal based on why you say you enjoy the suit - it does rely on a logi, it's not a rep suit. If you desire a self sufficient heavy, Gal's the worst at it. Amarr with 4 reps, or 4 speed mods, or mix it up, has way more potential for solo play. Caldari just as much so. Minmatar's built in strafe helps it somewhat, but it does suffer the same issues as Gal. And any suggestion i make to improve Gal would lead CCP to ***** with all the suits. That's how the Gal got to be bad to begin with - people didn't like the Amarr set-up because of the lore, so they switched it. It used to be better when Gal had 4 lows to make up for low stamina and health, and with Amarr having +5% more resistance to projectile and a higher base armor - the two suits matched up well. There was a a lot more balance and harmony among the heavies back then for it. But that's over with - time to move on or CCP will just ruin the rest of the suits, :D Thank you for being our sacrifice. o7
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 697	Posted - 2015.09.07 11:47:00 - [927] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: . I don't understand why you prefer Gal based on why you say you enjoy the suit - And I don't understand why it mattersto you nor why you seem to get so much enjoyment coming here and shitting all over Gal Sents. Let's just call it a difference of opinion and move on to sonething worthwhile; getting more Heavy weapons. Purifier. First Class.
Fristname Family name Opus Arcana 526	Posted - 2015.09.07 12:08:00 - [928] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: . I don't understand why you prefer Gal based on why you say you enjoy the suit - And I don't understand why it mattersto you nor why you seem to get so much enjoyment coming here and shitting all over Gal Sents. Let's just call it a difference of opinion and move on to sonething worthwhile; getting more Heavy weapons. As a long time heavy for over 2years... I like the minmatar the most... Overall every racial suit comes down to preference to be honest. i like playing fast and agile liek scouts kinda ect but i want the tanky still. because i like speed overall and punching things lel BUILD MORE FARMS!
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 968	Posted - 2015.09.07 15:47:00 - [929] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: . I don't understand why you prefer Gal based on why you say you enjoy the suit - And I don't understand why it mattersto you nor why you seem to get so much enjoyment coming here and shitting all over Gal Sents. Let's just call it a difference of opinion and move on to sonething worthwhile; getting more Heavy weapons. What's the point of a heavy thread if not to compare to the differences of the suits? i am not simply trashing it - I am calling it virtually worthless. A suit unworthy of choice or thought. It offers nothing to any play style another heavy suit can't offer a better variant of. There's a list of reasons why the Gal is inefficient. Stamina is so low that any attempt at diversity on that suit will be met with very short jogs from point A to B, and no way to make up for this even if you used up all your slots. Your rep is inferior in even pratical use to the Minmatar, with Amarr and Caldari both scoring higher over-all reps per second. And with Min speed and stamina regen they can make good use of any flanking style suits with moderate amount of HP. base HP Amarr can get much higher and puts its resistance to better use vs HMG, SMG, and CR. it can't efficiently stack fire power, health, reps, speed, what is it about this suit that made anyone in this thread call it the best? Maybe if someone explained how that line of thought came to be i can get over this and move on to saying how bad Scouts are :)
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 968	Posted - 2015.09.07 16:00:00 - [930] - Quote CCP does read this thread and i want to make sure they understand exactly where the heavy meta actually is. The Gal suit can be saved Lower base HP Insane, i know by another 50 to 130 or so armor points, and add 5 rep, and 30 to 50 shields. Shields value of resistance offers more EHP then our armor, so switch some out so they can have lower base numbers but keep a relatively good EHP to keep up with the other heavies. But the reps is the important part - the suit still loses roughly 60-80 life, changes some armor for a bit of shield to modify it's EHP value and to make rep built suits a less overwhelming edge, because 3 complex reps + 8 base rep equals what the Amarr can do at 750 health. But you'll have a bit more shield in the mix, you'll be still be a bit UP in comparison, but you can start making your Gal suit flexible and viable at the same time without exchanging one for the other. It's ridiculous how it's set up right now, and if CCP doesn't do this, then they need to switch back the Amarr and Gal slots to even the playing field.



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