DUST Search - Changes in DUST 514's fundamental vision and my thoughts on it

Ripley Riley wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

I guess we should tell games workshop to remove assault marines.

Assault marines can be equipped with Jump Packs; not blue gatorade that makes them jump like the aforementioned Goku on methamphetamine.

Balistyc Farshot wrote:

Rip - First: Dude, I thought you had more chops to stick this out.
You unlike the forum trolls seem to understand that these patches are all being worked on, one at a time, so they take time to roll out or come out in small chunks. They had a bad patch, they have had these before (Remember the first Cloaking devices, geeze, my butthurt is still sore from the PCs at that time. I was logi at that time, so real butthurt because we got shotgunned and knifed so badly we made Deliverance look gentle.) It took them 2 months to fully shake that out and we got a decent piece of equipment out of the trade.

I do remember the cloaking device roll out. That was done by the old guard. Rattati and Co. was supposed to be better than this. He said he played with the fittings on a devbox. How could he have not seen these moon jumping antics in QA?

I see that the game is being iterated on, Balistyc. It's being improved on, in typical CCP fashion, slowly but surely. My concern is that CCP Rattati is no longer concerned with how his vision for the game fits into New Eden. His attitude has basically been that "Dust is different than Eve because fun is a reason" and that means he gets to discard source material as needed.

The chief reason I'm still interested in this game is because of the New Eden setting. Sure, I like the customization and the ScR gives me a chubby, but I can find similar thing in other games. I can't find a New Eden FPS anywhere else but here... and pretty soon I might not even find it here anymore What?

I don't believe Rattati overarching plan is to slowly lead us back to the New Eden setting after some patches. In fact, I think the goal is to distance DUST 514 from New Eden as much as possible so as to make the game more approachable and thus more profitable. Dust would probably sell better to the casual market if it were more fluffy and cuddly and "wheee look look I can jump really high mom!".

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Balistyc Farshot The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 94	Posted - 2015.03.13 18:10:00 - [1] - Quote Rip - First: Dude, I thought you had more chops to stick this out. You unlike the forum trolls seem to understand that these patches are all being worked on, one at a time, so they take time to roll out or come out in small chunks. They had a bad patch, they have had these before (Remember the first Cloaking devices, geeze, my butthurt is still sore from the PCs at that time. I was logi at that time, so real butthurt because we got shotgunned and knived so badly we made Deliverance look gentle.) It took them 2 months to fully shake that out and we got a decent piece of equipment out of the trade. Hell, I find these stacking jumpers funny because I was the only scout I saw still running enhancers and damage mods over trip blues. Cool, you jump high, I can see you and I have my reds and a full sprint bar. You can't adjust that much mid air. All they have to do is have each blue reduce the sprint bar regen by x%. Done, problem fixed. you jump to the moon, but only once. Secondaly: These changes need a little time to settle out or CCP will be doing their usual knee jerk fixing. The game is separating from New Eden a little, but it could come back once all the crazy gear is released and major game enhancements finish out. They can release code that upsets the whole meta adjust, then do that again 2 months later, or they can wait to release all the major changes then adjust back to new Eden. Thirdly: Ratati wants to promise us the biggest of the bigs, Eve ships transporting and contracting with Dust mercs, but they need to get the mechanics inline first. The warbarge was a let down for me but I know that is phase one. What you don't understand is I think he might be clever enough to rope our corps into New Eden and finish what Dust wanted to do in the first place. Before that happens we need player trading and an active economy which is a huge driver in EVE. The NPC market was the proto type for player trading/ player market. I think the player market and PC 2.0 (Or just gaining value from districts) will change the face of the game. Imagine giant trade alliances, or OH buying all of one weapon type then rushing a class without its counter. These are issues we will have next so they need the infrastructure. Also, be glad Ratati replied. That shows he cares. Let me give you my favorite analogy I give my clients, "We are headed on a road trip vacation while turning a minivan into a BMW. Some people are going to comment about the floor mats now being smaller, but when we swap the last parts out, you will see what we were building." (This is if we can't build it somewhere else and just replace.) Heavy with a massive bullet hose called Lola (Burst HMG).
Balistyc Farshot The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 104	Posted - 2015.03.16 05:48:00 - [2] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I guess we should tell games workshop to remove assault marines. Assault marines can be equipped with Jump Packs; not blue gatorade that makes them jump like the aforementioned Goku on methamphetamine. Balistyc Farshot wrote: Rip - First: Dude, I thought you had more chops to stick this out. You unlike the forum trolls seem to understand that these patches are all being worked on, one at a time, so they take time to roll out or come out in small chunks. They had a bad patch, they have had these before (Remember the first Cloaking devices, geeze, my butthurt is still sore from the PCs at that time. I was logi at that time, so real butthurt because we got shotgunned and knifed so badly we made Deliverance look gentle.) It took them 2 months to fully shake that out and we got a decent piece of equipment out of the trade. I do remember the cloaking device roll out. That was done by the old guard. Rattati and Co. was supposed to be better than this. He said he played with the fittings on a devbox. How could he have not seen these moon jumping antics in QA? I see that the game is being iterated on, Balistyc. It's being improved on, in typical CCP fashion, slowly but surely. My concern is that CCP Rattati is no longer concerned with how his vision for the game fits into New Eden. His attitude has basically been that "Dust is different than Eve because fun is a reason" and that means he gets to discard source material as needed. The chief reason I'm still interested in this game is because of the New Eden setting. Sure, I like the customization and the ScR gives me a chubby, but I can find similar thing in other games. I can't find a New Eden FPS anywhere else but here... and pretty soon I might not even find it here anymore I don't believe Rattati overarching plan is to slowly lead us back to the New Eden setting after some patches. In fact, I think the goal is to distance DUST 514 from New Eden as much as possible so as to make the game more approachable and thus more profitable. Dust would probably sell better to the casual market if it were more fluffy and cuddly and "wheee look look I can jump really high mom!". I apologize a bit for the first comment about the chops, you are right this patch was painful. I never take things too serious in the game but the massive meta changes just are shredding the player base. I am seeing lots of older players jump ship because they are tired of these big swings. CCP, now is the time to push the, oh we screwed up button and just pull back blue pills for 2 weeks and then add them back in with the stacking penalties and maybe something like a stamina smack in the face. The skill also giving 10% more allows for monstrous jumps, like from the rings to a building and back. Now the new tactic in PC is high ground wins. Fighting on the ground is worthless, due to the speed of relocation and no natural barriers. Now you want the high ground then mass driver, SCR, and RE until the enemy concedes. BTW - I would love to respec and start over, but seriously, who knows where the game is going with the next hot fix. Heavy with a massive bullet hose called Lola (Burst HMG).