Why are all the colors around the same tones!

Because modern control + SCR > ASCR

Ask the players, they don't choose those weapons, and when they do, they perform worse with them than other weapons.

It's just facts, that need to be reconciliated with those things. Why indeed?

I use the TAR frequently. Have a few videos posted where I use it. It's a very niche weapon that needs the correct environment. Scrambler Rifle is better and it's probably not surprising to anyone that I started using it in place of my TAR. TAR can't make up for the ability to charge shot, longer range, etc. I've had a long drawn out argument about this in another thread.

If you want the TAR to be more competitive, needs to have something that'll compete with the Scrambler Rifle - which won't happen because the Scrambler rifle is just outright better. TAR would need excruciatingly high alpha damage to make up for a lack of charge, range, etc. No-one will allow that for fear of it being OP.

This is awesome, but please please pretty please label your axes and define parameters! This is one of the first things they drill into your head in any statistics class, you need to tell the viewer what an axis means and the units it's measured in for it to be a proper graph. Like this one is pretty and all, but I have no idea what 0%-100% means or the units that's measured in.

This is a stacked area chart and only shows the mix of kills. The colors align with the categories on the right and are in the same order.

The TAR already has dreadfully high alpha damage. With damage mods it's a nightmare.
Some folks just haven't rediscovered it yet.
I respect the Scrambler Rifle, but the TAR was meant to imitate, not surpass it.
It's in a good spot.

Just some extra range. Give it a some reach, and it'll be used more.
At the moment, the TAR has better zoom than the scrambler rifle, but less range.

Let it rival the scrambler rifle's range, and I guarantee you will see increased usage. But damage buffs would put it over the edge.

Ask the players, they don't choose those weapons, and when they do, they perform worse with them than other weapons.

It's just facts, that need to be reconciliated with those things. Why indeed?

Rather than simply hacking stats off the HMG I would like to see it made more difficult to employ.

Honestly using real life examples gives ample methods for bringing the weapon to heel.

Oh lord, here we go with the whole "it's an imitator and shouldn't be competitive against it because it's not the real thing".

Seriously, I really do hate that argument, it's archaic and out-dated. With that logic, all the Assault variants should pale in comparison to the Assault Rifle but they don't. In some cases, in particular the ARR, they're even better. It's -always- been that way.

The constant misconception that a weapon has to be worse than a similar weapon just because of some concept a CCP Dev put down two years ago shouldn't even be a thing anymore. If anything we should have evolved from that with racial takes on the variations including their own unique flare to make the weapon competitive; and by that logic the TAR would have -much- higher damage than the Scrambler Rifle while simultaneously having lower range.

The question you have to ask: "What is the functionality of this weapon if it is an imitator that isn't competitive with the other weapon?"

Functionless gameplay is a waste of time. If your idea doesn't serve a purpose, providing something new and unique that we don't already have, then it doesn't need to be implemented because we already have that. Making something "kinda similar but not as powerful because #reasons" is just annoying, adds repetition, and punishes players for making the wrong choices.

Care to.... add more.

I have, repeatedly. I'd rather not post my spiel more than once per thread. I hate sounding like a broken record.

why aren't we looking at reversing the role and making them vulnerable in CQC and deadly at long range?

There's only so many more nerf options before the stupid thing gets pushed off a cliff.

I'm not trying to be high and mighty or condescending. I'm honestly believing CQC HMGs aren't working, haven't worked as intended since their inception and making them and the Sentinel platform a CQC thing was a bad idea to begin with.

We also need to consider that in my experience most HMG engagements and kills happen at 20m or less. Sentinels hug CQC areas like it's their lifeline to force people to fight them on optimal terms for them. Anything inside 20m is chutney, so that's where the hits tend to happen.

until you drop the HMG below shotgun optimal these nerfs are going to be a zero-sum effort because a logi and tight spaces will do the work and they will continue racking up kills. It'll also see more fatties resorting to tactics like murder taxis to bypass the range restrictions.

Ejecting sentinels from CQC is, in my opinion, the best answer.

So what exactly do you have in mind?

Ask the players, they don't choose those weapons, and when they do, they perform worse with them than other weapons.

It's just facts, that need to be reconciliated with those things. Why indeed?

And if you bring in an autocannon I'm speccing out of the HMG. I would like to play a proper machinegunner, thanks

put the HMG heavies in a situation where their ideal combat arena is filled with snipers, forge gunners and rail rifles, ideally.

If the HMG sucks ass in CQC this breaks the Heavy > All meta in half and forces people to use heavies to keep people out of the facilities entirely, by using them at entrances as overwatch, locking down open fields, etc, and NOT participating gleefully in the knife-fighting.

If someone's in knife range the heavy should bluntly be dogmeat unless he's LUCKY.

That's a tough one......

I can see pulling this off as a redesign of the HMG to mimic the Breach FG.
- Can't move when firing.
- Super narrow firing cone with hyper-extended range and camera zoom, to put it into the long-range playing field.

As a caveat for this repurposing, I would make it effective against vehicles, triple the mag size/max ammo, and cut heat buildup by 50%.

The Sentinel suits will need to be reworked as well.
I would give Sentinels a pinch of bandwidth and give them an equipment slot, to carry a hive or an uplink. Maybe increase their resistances by 10%, because if they aren't moving, they are going to be absorbing a LOT of fire.

Proper positioning would be critical, to properly transform the Sentinel from a CQC lurker into a living, mobile, turret.

That's quite a change though. I wouldn't expect to hear people backing such a radical transformation for the HMG.

movement lockdowwn is a crap mechanic. it puts the nail on the coffin of the breach as a useful standalone weapon.

Bandwidth is a no in my opinion under any circumstances, right now we do not needthe current best slayer to gain the ability to throw down hives or uplinks. The suits are bluntly fine. I use the IAFG as area denial. It works extremely well in the poen without adjustment.

Trust me, sentinels should have been in the open from the first place because the defenses are for a thing intended to take a lot of fire, and open ground makes up for the fact that your detection radius is inferior in all ways to the mark-1 eyeball.

the only thing sentinels lack for open ground work is an open ground weapon that performs poorly in CQC besides the Forge.

drop HMG to 2000 RPM, increase range to 40m.

puts it at 650 DPS-ish.

Please do not mess with the hmg. If ccp want to makes autocannons in that way go ahead, but the hmg is good as it is right now. I wouldn't tolerate another nerf, in that weapon.

Also that is off topic. Talk about the Tar, ascr n bar.