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CCP Rattati wrote:

Atiim wrote:

How is the Tactical AR underpowered when it does more damage than the SCR, can fire more shots than the SCR can before overheating, has the same RPM, while only having -15m?

How is the Burst AR underpowered when it does more damage than the CR, has a larger magazine than the CR (even with MinAssault V), has the same RPM, while only having -12m?

Your entire premise is flawed because usage does not equate to power. Claiming it does is fallacious because it fails to assess other factors which would cause it to be used more (or less), such as objectives being CQC oriented, weapons only being able to damage vehicles, weapon isn't great against the most prevalent tank, etc.

Easy examples would be the pre-1.7 Swarm Launcher, which despite being overpowered still remained as the 3rd least used Light Weapon, and the the SMG which despite being the most used Sidearm in the history of DUST is balanced and has adequate advantages and drawbacks to other weapons.

Ask the players, they don't choose those weapons, and when they do, they perform worse with them than other weapons.

It's just facts, that need to be reconciliated with those things. Why indeed?


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Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1253	Posted - 2015.02.14 14:20:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Atiim wrote: How is the Tactical AR underpowered when it does more damage than the SCR, can fire more shots than the SCR can before overheating, has the same RPM, while only having -15m? How is the Burst AR underpowered when it does more damage than the CR, has a larger magazine than the CR (even with MinAssault V), has the same RPM, while only having -12m? Your entire premise is flawed because usage does not equate to power. Claiming it does is fallacious because it fails to assess other factors which would cause it to be used more (or less), such as objectives being CQC oriented, weapons only being able to damage vehicles, weapon isn't great against the most prevalent tank, etc. Easy examples would be the pre-1.7 Swarm Launcher, which despite being overpowered still remained as the 3rd least used Light Weapon, and the the SMG which despite being the most used Sidearm in the history of DUST is balanced and has adequate advantages and drawbacks to other weapons. Ask the players, they don't choose those weapons, and when they do, they perform worse with them than other weapons. It's just facts, that need to be reconciliated with those things. Why indeed? Power also has to deal with ease of use. The hmg is so powerful because it has massive dps, massive clip, too much range and it's easy as hell to use all while using the highest ehp suits in the game. Meanwhile Nova Nova knives can one swipe almost every suit in the game but they are not easy to use. The limited range of knives paired with low ehp suits balance them perfectly with their ability to ohk almost everything. But because they require real skill, they are not as common as other weapons even though they are extremely strong. I think this is why armor based weapons dominate this chart. They are easier to use most of the time and since dust is way too armor based you are more likely to get the kill with an armor based weapon. Also consider this. As a ScR user at least 1/3 (sometimes more) of my kills are achieved with my smg to avoid overheating my ScR. This is something almost no other weapon has to deal with except maybe the Tar with its small clip. I have also noticed way more kills stolen when I use shield based weapons especially during that 1/2 second I am switching to my smg. It is quite annoying and I'm sure it is skewing this graph. The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.