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Not sure if on topic, but the RR seriously kicks too much in ADS.
Think it about it lore wise too, why would a long range race allow their primary use rifle to kick so damn much, regardless of the technological realities.

Honestly it makes the weapon a pain to use on anything other than scouts.

Also the ridiculous hipfire kick makes it nauseating to use on a big screen.

I honestly wish we could just make it have horrid hipfire accuracy, like the Tac Ar but worse, and have close to 0 kick like most other weapons.

I second this particular opinion. As of now I would say Tac AR's are in a good spot overall and the burst well I will just say that they work surprisingly well.

It's not just the HMG. It's the design philosophy behind the HMG and sentinel is restricting a slow, heavily armored sensor-blind monster to CQC.

Why does the HMG overperform? Because CQC dominance means it's expected to function best in an environment that negates most of it's disadvantages.

Bluntly the only reason to have something built like a sentinel is if it's expected to be exposed providing supporting fire and needs to be able to take multiple strong hits.

I remember the original heavy turn speed penalty. It allowed people to circle tge fatty and use superior mobility to rip said heavy apart. Basically it negated the heavy's CQC role entirely.

But it didn't really interfere with the forge gun's lethality at a distance. Why? Because the forge gun is a long-range, open ground weapon. You didn't expect to live if an assault or a scout got too close.

So why do I bring it up? Because it could have been a balancing factor to a fire SUPPORT platform.

HMG sentinels are at the top because you can too-easily use them as lockdown point defense and heavy assault suits. They are in environments where their mobility issues are a nonfactor and they can casually negate sensor blindness by putting their backs in a corner or having a rep tool behind them.

Umm, have you seen what a Combat Rifle does to armor?
Or explosive spam that is common in CQC maps?

Saying that armor suits don't have their hard counters is bullshit.
The majority of weapons on the field are anti armor.

RR should have had a sharpshooter skill to reduce recoil, and the calassault should have a charge time reduction.

why aren't we looking at reversing the role and making them vulnerable in CQC and deadly at long range?

There's only so many more nerf options before the stupid thing gets pushed off a cliff.

I'm not trying to be high and mighty or condescending. I'm honestly believing CQC HMGs aren't working, haven't worked as intended since their inception and making them and the Sentinel platform a CQC thing was a bad idea to begin with.

We also need to consider that in my experience most HMG engagements and kills happen at 20m or less. Sentinels hug CQC areas like it's their lifeline to force people to fight them on optimal terms for them. Anything inside 20m is chutney, so that's where the hits tend to happen.

until you drop the HMG below shotgun optimal these nerfs are going to be a zero-sum effort because a logi and tight spaces will do the work and they will continue racking up kills. It'll also see more fatties resorting to tactics like murder taxis to bypass the range restrictions.

Ejecting sentinels from CQC is, in my opinion, the best answer.

Why do people keeping saying that? It's a very [DATA REDACTED], charge time? There are many better ones than a crappy bonus.

do these include weapons with damage mods. can we have the data only for fits without damage mods too?

It's not just the HMG. It's the design philosophy behind the HMG and sentinel is restricting a slow, heavily armored sensor-blind monster to CQC.

Why does the HMG overperform? Because CQC dominance means it's expected to function best in an environment that negates most of it's disadvantages.

Bluntly the only reason to have something built like a sentinel is if it's expected to be exposed providing supporting fire and needs to be able to take multiple strong hits.

I remember the original heavy turn speed penalty. It allowed people to circle tge fatty and use superior mobility to rip said heavy apart. Basically it negated the heavy's CQC role entirely.

But it didn't really interfere with the forge gun's lethality at a distance. Why? Because the forge gun is a long-range, open ground weapon. You didn't expect to live if an assault or a scout got too close.

So why do I bring it up? Because it could have been a balancing factor to a fire SUPPORT platform.

HMG sentinels are at the top because you can too-easily use them as lockdown point defense and heavy assault suits. They are in environments where their mobility issues are a nonfactor and they can casually negate sensor blindness by putting their backs in a corner or having a rep tool behind them.

Breakin, how would the affect CQC? Do you foresee any imbalances after the sentiniels removal from CQC?

RR should have had a sharpshooter skill to reduce recoil, and the calassault should have a charge time reduction.

Current Burst AR in action

If thats not good enough, then what is?

Ask the players, they don't choose those weapons, and when they do, they perform worse with them than other weapons.

It's just facts, that need to be reconciliated with those things. Why indeed?

TAR worst K/S bar none...don't know how those opinions "align"

RR should have had a sharpshooter skill to reduce recoil, and the calassault should have a charge time reduction.

Armor suits don't have a hard counter.
scrambler tech kills shield suits very very fast, while using a CR doesn't instakill armor.

Cal assault should have a bonus towards reload speed and recoil reduction and here's the trello card to vote it.


We need tactical combat & rail rifles.

Also to shields need to have a there needs to be a threshold of damage required to start shield recharge pause like there is for vehicles. It should be around 10 damage.

There is literally no weapon in the game that will fail to do 10 damage With one bullet.

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It's related to the range. I could shot my SMG at an awesome distance and stop your shields from regenerating some time. So I support the idea of dealing a minimal damage before stopping the shields from regenerating. And if you believe 10 is too low, maybe 20 then. It has to be less than any bullet at the right distance, tho.

If useage was the only data he was examining, then yes, you would be right. In the OP he clearly states...

Rattati is also monitoring each weapon's Kills/Spawn: their killing efficiency.

Ask the players, they don't choose those weapons, and when they do, they perform worse with them than other weapons.

It's too damn high, ranking with top tier rifles.

I am working on Hotfix Echo, where the plan is to rein in the range, and nothing else. They are too effective in "rifle" range

Still a flawed premise.

Kills per Spawn data is influenced by a variety of factors beyond the power of a weapon, such as how skilled the players using a weapon is, how skilled the players fighting against the weapon are, the environment the weapon is being used in, the HP type the weapon's being used against, etc.

As such, attempting to balance anything around KSR without assessing why an item has an abnormal KSR foolish, and won't do anything besides making a balanced weapon OP or UP.


Which means that the players using the weapons are terrible, hence why they perform so poorly with variants that are superior to the ones which your data ironically claims are overpowered.

Though besides usage and KSR (which are both flawed methods of determining a weapon's power), is there any actual reason as to why the Burst and Tactical ARs need a buff?

ASCR is actually an incredibly good rifle without heat.
Fastest reload, tight dispersion, arguably best sight of all the Assault variants, excellent range, etc'.
It also has a high damage per mag, though I don't remember if the AR caught up or not since the mag damage increase.

I really don't know why it doesn't perform.