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Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 2166	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:11:00 - [1] - Quote Went through my contacts and for monthly kills Zatara - 0 Judge Rhadamanthus - 0 Soraya Xel - 0 Iron Wolf Saber - 1 Kevall Long stride - 60 Cross atu - 146 Sir man boy - 510 I'm at least glad 2 of our 7 CPM members have been playing the game. Delt for CPM2 CPM1 MISSION : FAILED Moss-delt on skype
Helghus Resther Heisen Republic 61	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:15:00 - [2] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Went through my contacts and for monthly kills Zatara - 0 Judge Rhadamanthus - 0 Soraya Xel - 0 Iron Wolf Saber - 1 Kevall Long stride - 60 Cross atu - 146 Sir man boy - 510 I'm at least glad 2 of our 7 CPM members have been playing the game. Let's complain to the guys who voted for the current CPM panel Oh wait, most of them don't play Dust anymore either... The winner of this war will not prove who's right; only, who's left.
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 721	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:16:00 - [3] - Quote At least more than half of the council of planetary management tried to play the game...it's not like they're representing the community or anything...right? GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We need a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7256	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:21:00 - [4] - Quote To be fair to IWS, he played every day... He is just that bad. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 2166	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:22:00 - [5] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: To be fair to IWS, he played every day... He is just that bad. I wish I could believe that. Delt for CPM2 CPM1 MISSION : FAILED Moss-delt on skype
Helghus Resther Heisen Republic 62	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:34:00 - [6] - Quote I really wonder if the CPM or devs are actually bombarded with work, or just can't be bothered to pay attention to the player base. Rattati is the one exception.. key word is one. The winner of this war will not prove who's right; only, who's left.
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 346	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:38:00 - [7] - Quote sirmanboy ftw *RED LIGHT*
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 266	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:39:00 - [8] - Quote Soraya said he's currently moving Besides we all know there's an inverse relationship between time spent on the forums and in game
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5436	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:40:00 - [9] - Quote Well, as stated, I've been moving this month, and my electrician has been putting me off. He's supposed to be here Tuesday to fix the power outlets at my desk. I technically could play the PS3 at the TV, but it's particularly uncomfortable to play with a keyboard and mouse while craning your neck upwards to see the wall-mounted TV. I hope to get back on it this week though, I have a lot of catching up to do. That being said, Delt, do you really expect people to not see through your paper thin attempts to promote yourself? You've used every opportunity to try to condemn the CPM1 as bad with "Delt for CPM2" in giant letters beneath. I, for one, would have a hard time voting for someone who seems to do that a lot. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7145	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:40:00 - [10] - Quote This is exactly why I don't vote for the CPM. Most are voted on just rhetoric by an ignorant and easy to sway populace and then they can just chill out and do nothing. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7145	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:41:00 - [11] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Soraya said he's currently moving Besides we all know there's an inverse relationship between time spent on the forums and in game I'm on the forums between matches. Anyways you rarely see anyone besides IWS and occasionally Zatara. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 346	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:43:00 - [12] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I technically could play the PS3 at the TV, but it's particularly uncomfortable to play with a keyboard and mouse . PC masta race foeva *RED LIGHT*
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5436	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:44:00 - [13] - Quote Also, my forum time rarely impacts my play time. I do most of my forumming when I am unable to play my PS3. :) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4704	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:44:00 - [14] - Quote Damn, that's pretty sad. That's why you got my vote instead of the others aside from Cross. Too bad Pokey didn't make it onto the council.
Vicious Minotaur 1840	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:45:00 - [15] - Quote I don't know about the allegedly 'non-playing' members of the CPM, but I have alts. I also don't know about what is happening behind the scenes with the CCP/CPM interactions. I have no desire to speculate or investigate. I don't really care. I just shitpost. Also, *surprise. I am a minotaur. a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça¦ça+üa+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+¦a+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa+üa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ëa¦ë
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18335	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:48:00 - [16] - Quote Vacation; Short Break from Game itself; Researching other games 1 the PS3 and TV its attached too is not mine to control 24/7; it is the family entertainment machine ever since we killed cable to the house. Job Hunting still. Meetings Missed 0. Reviewing and Evaluating is more important than playing the game https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZSZ8qiukISEjPnmqdR1L-fxrVZRA2PzIwValJQ6JYLQ/edit#gid=736010161 and https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YyQfVoEiZtJ2Pf52X8JHV84FVO-DQ0Jh4kZJb_rN0PM/edit#gid=0 Helping CCP Rattati on various new things including the recent new color schemes being added. I am still considered the busiest CPM on the council still. And yes this month been ****** for me game wise; though I am pretty sure that number should be 11 not 1. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4704	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:48:00 - [17] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Also, my forum time rarely impacts my play time. I do most of my forumming when I am unable to play my PS3. :) Be like me a forum in between matches!
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5436	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:49:00 - [18] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Too bad Pokey didn't make it onto the council. I was really pushing for Pokey. I really hope he runs and makes it on CPM2. He's pretty awesome. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 532	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:49:00 - [19] - Quote I would assume a fair bit of the CPM time would be spent reading the forums and dealing with Players/CCP. No surprise that playtime has gone down. It's good to be optimistic about these things I think. Edit note: Also at LEAST you know the CPM members are FOTM'ing ;)
robin williams' ghost whisky tango foxtrot sir 594	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:55:00 - [20] - Quote Come on, I'm a nobody and I've got over 2000 kills for the month. And I work a full time job. These guys needed to step it up Robin Williams endorses this corp

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18336	Posted - 2015.01.19 02:10:00 - [21] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: Come on, I'm a nobody and I've got over 2000 kills for the month. And I work a full time job. These guys needed to step it up Good give me a 40 sheet spreadsheet containing about 52 mb of information and consolidate it to be human readable and annotate the @#$^ out of it at the same time. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Helghus Resther Heisen Republic 63	Posted - 2015.01.19 02:17:00 - [22] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Come on, I'm a nobody and I've got over 2000 kills for the month. And I work a full time job. These guys needed to step it up Good give me a 40 sheet spreadsheet containing about 52 mb of information and consolidate it to be human readable and annotate the @#$^ out of it at the same time. Cannot be bothered to do this More Destiny instead -Judge Rhadamanthus The winner of this war will not prove who's right; only, who's left.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18336	Posted - 2015.01.19 02:21:00 - [23] - Quote Helghus Resther wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Come on, I'm a nobody and I've got over 2000 kills for the month. And I work a full time job. These guys needed to step it up Good give me a 40 sheet spreadsheet containing about 52 mb of information and consolidate it to be human readable and annotate the @#$^ out of it at the same time. Cannot be bothered to do this More Destiny instead -Judge Rhadamanthus Good; stop distracting me then :P /me goes back to work on sorting out the vehicle proposal and getting ready for anything new that comes my way so I can easily call BS on it or valid intention or even help find issues with legit feedback and help the presenters formulate a more solid plan. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5437	Posted - 2015.01.19 02:22:00 - [24] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: Come on, I'm a nobody and I've got over 2000 kills for the month. And I work a full time job. These guys needed to step it up I work two full-time jobs. One I get paid for, and one where I'm a CPM. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Helghus Resther Heisen Republic 63	Posted - 2015.01.19 02:23:00 - [25] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Helghus Resther wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Come on, I'm a nobody and I've got over 2000 kills for the month. And I work a full time job. These guys needed to step it up Good give me a 40 sheet spreadsheet containing about 52 mb of information and consolidate it to be human readable and annotate the @#$^ out of it at the same time. Cannot be bothered to do this More Destiny instead -Judge Rhadamanthus Good; stop distracting me then :P /me goes back to work on sorting out the vehicle proposal and getting ready for anything new that comes my way so I can easily call BS on it or valid intention or even help find issues with legit feedback and help the presenters formulate a more solid plan. Who's ass do I have to kiss to get an Eve - Dust economy merge going? The winner of this war will not prove who's right; only, who's left.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18336	Posted - 2015.01.19 02:25:00 - [26] - Quote Helghus Resther wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Helghus Resther wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Come on, I'm a nobody and I've got over 2000 kills for the month. And I work a full time job. These guys needed to step it up Good give me a 40 sheet spreadsheet containing about 52 mb of information and consolidate it to be human readable and annotate the @#$^ out of it at the same time. Cannot be bothered to do this More Destiny instead -Judge Rhadamanthus Good; stop distracting me then :P /me goes back to work on sorting out the vehicle proposal and getting ready for anything new that comes my way so I can easily call BS on it or valid intention or even help find issues with legit feedback and help the presenters formulate a more solid plan. Who's ass do I have to kiss to get an Eve - Dust economy merge going? Cross can probably make a compelling argument; zatara would be second for that on making sensible ones. Xel however just desires it just because and will support any good cause along the way. Meanwhile I would appoint the CSM 9 for the issue more so as it is on their end we need permission from. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
AndyAndio 0uter.Heaven 124	Posted - 2015.01.19 02:30:00 - [27] - Quote Kids that are bad at the game and barely play, get selected to make the game better, sounds legit.- 2013 DUST 514's MVP of the Year.- Retired for Love of the Game
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 266	Posted - 2015.01.19 02:36:00 - [28] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Soraya said he's currently moving Besides we all know there's an inverse relationship between time spent on the forums and in game I'm on the forums between matches. Anyways you rarely see anyone besides IWS and occasionally Zatara. I do the same I was more referring to sirmanboy and how some people still go on the forums even though they don't play anymore
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 2168	Posted - 2015.01.19 02:55:00 - [29] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Come on, I'm a nobody and I've got over 2000 kills for the month. And I work a full time job. These guys needed to step it up I work two full-time jobs. One I get paid for, and one where I'm a CPM. The moving I get, but complaining about working? Lol. Full time running my own business and part time running drops and installing networks and I still have ample time to play, sit on the forums, have time with the gf and family and partake in community events like the poker night. Delt for CPM2 CPM1 MISSION : FAILED Moss-delt on skype
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5437	Posted - 2015.01.19 03:25:00 - [30] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Edit : and dam right I'll point out flaws with the CPM. No problem with pointing out flaws with the CPM. Just a problem with thinly veiled campaign attack ads. ;) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

xavier zor Rogue Instincts 426	Posted - 2015.01.19 03:34:00 - [31] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: At least more than half of the council of planetary management tried to play the game...it's not like they're representing the community or managing anything...right? I like 'tried'. This game is a joke, the developers have not fixed the things that make people leave E.G mechanics, bugs and glitched. Instead they bring out new things that fail such as strongboxes & keys, the 3 scan radius strengths (strong circle, medium circle weak circle. Hell, the passive scans don't even work! I could understand them not playing this buggy joke of an FPS Official Ishokune supporter Knifed duna2002's tank, then the mercenary himself
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 2170	Posted - 2015.01.19 03:34:00 - [32] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Edit : and dam right I'll point out flaws with the CPM. No problem with pointing out flaws with the CPM. Just a problem with thinly veiled campaign attack ads. ;) Here's a flaw, two of the members dont play anymore Delt for CPM2 CPM1 MISSION : FAILED Moss-delt on skype
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1826	Posted - 2015.01.19 04:33:00 - [33] - Quote Hmm cpm being so little active. Clearly means you should vote for Bamm Havok for cpm2. 1st is the worst 2nd is the best. TLDR : Last Dust Montage
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 3151	Posted - 2015.01.19 04:43:00 - [34] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: To be fair to IWS, he played every day... He is just that bad. Nearly 3 years playing DUST and I Have seen IWS in game twice... The first time he lost three tanks and quit match.(Nothing wrong with this... Find a match that you have fun in, I firmly believe this) Second time I saw him out of the red-line in the first initial push for 5 mins? Then rest he sat in red-line sniping. This was a year or two ago? And I played this game religiously then... The problem is; even Judge... rarely played DUST.... sure? He sat on the forums and spent alot of time on skype? He even spent alot of time building spreadsheets and collecting data for his specific passion in the game. But Judge rarely played DUST... a few times a week for an hour or two.... Most of the active DUST players don't come on forums, skype, twitter....Because they are too busy playing the actual game.. There are only a few even on these forums that make a post and play the game in the same day. If CCP really wants to promote a proper CPM representation of the average DUST player.... They would have to infuse the CPM election right into the DUST UI...... So players that play the game can actually vote.... The voter turn out for CPM should make CCP feel like they failed. Not the community feel like they failed at the CPM vote.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5600	Posted - 2015.01.19 05:04:00 - [35] - Quote Bethhy wrote: One Eyed King wrote: To be fair to IWS, he played every day... He is just that bad. Nearly 3 years playing DUST and I Have seen IWS in game twice... The first time he lost three tanks and quit match.(Nothing wrong with this... Find a match that you have fun in, I firmly believe this) Second time I saw him out of the red-line in the first initial push for 5 mins? Then rest he sat in red-line sniping. This was a year or two ago? And I played this game religiously then... The problem is; even Judge... rarely played DUST.... sure? He sat on the forums and spent alot of time on skype? He even spent alot of time building spreadsheets and collecting data for his specific passion in the game. But Judge rarely played DUST... a few times a week for an hour or two.... Most of the active DUST players don't come on forums, skype, twitter....Because they are too busy playing the actual game.. There are only a few even on these forums that make a post and play the game in the same day. If CCP really wants to promote a proper CPM representation of the average DUST player.... They would have to infuse the CPM election right into the DUST UI...... So players that play the game can actually vote.... The voter turn out for CPM should make CCP feel like they failed. Not the community feel like they failed at the CPM vote. Actually, more and more active players are being referred to the forums as of late. On this topic itself, there are various players that are still very active, including myself, and a few others. I mostly shitpost, but I still lurk the forums every other day, because of the lunatics that make up the Dust Community. I'll always find time, whether it's when I'm warming up the car, or making dinner (always on mobile). When I get home from working, I play a match or two, and if I'm having fun, I'll stick around, if not, do something else. As for the CPM, I understand that the position their in may or may not affect their time available, so I don't really care. We, the community, have asked the CPM to report to CCP various constructive criticism, ideas, and spreadsheets, and time and time again, they have fulfilled their roles, both the CPM 0 & 1. Sure, they may not be able to get to all our requests - they're only human - but some of us may forget that it is ultimately CCP's decision to pull strings, so it may SEEM like the CPM aren't doing anything. Everyone has their own methods of gathering info. The forums, personal anecdotes, and by playing the game, so not playing it much doesn't necessarily mean they don't know what they're doing. Anywho, I'm not trying to kiss any of their lower cheeks, but I admit, we have to give credit where it's due (especially IWS who has been CPM for two terms).
SirManBoy Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 812	Posted - 2015.01.19 05:07:00 - [36] - Quote IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: sirmanboy ftw About 2.42 times for every loss to be exact.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 15129	Posted - 2015.01.19 05:31:00 - [37] - Quote Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1266	Posted - 2015.01.19 05:39:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. So now we know why things get changed via he said, she said and forum rhetoric... I guess it's a good thing we have the trello board those people actually play the game.. INB4 another IWS spreadsheet response, we've seen where that's got us so far..
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 633	Posted - 2015.01.19 05:59:00 - [39] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: This is exactly why I don't vote for the CPM. Most are voted on just rhetoric by an ignorant and easy to sway populace and then they can just chill out and do nothing. Hello, have you meet the human race? Rare is the man who puts another before himself. CPM is politics, polititions are professional liars who are self serving or a puppet for a group of people and exsist only to partot that . There are very few exceptions. This post has been brought to you by: my opinion, please take it as such and nothing else. Hello? any one there?
Timtron Victory Horizons' Edge 270	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:03:00 - [40] - Quote LMBO HAHAHAAH. You guys are a riot. You guys should make this a routine and charge for it. I will pay with ISK haha Dust Weekly Lottery Proud Christian Jesus Loves You

Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2242	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:04:00 - [41] - Quote Been on holiday for the last week snowboarding down mountains. Broadband coverage ain't so hot at 3000m. Christmas and New Year. I'm sorry but I figured I might go see some family and friends over the holiday period on the 3 days off I actually had rather than sit on my PS3. Having a full time job with shift patterns and 10hr days also kinda crimps on my game time. But while I'm there I'm often forum lurking and answering questions on my iPhone. Holidays permitting pretty much in constant contact with CCP and the other CPM on Skype dealing with issues. Despite the wierd timezoning with the majority of the CPM 5 hours behind me and CCP Shanghai 10 in front, meaning that I'm taking meetings at 2-4 am, I've still yet to miss a meeting. Sending 30+ emails to each new member of D-UNI requires me to use the EVE client. That can take up to 90 mins a day depending on if I'm crashing the Dust mail server again. Bare in mind as well that well over 50% of all mail sent to Dust Merc's in the game near entire history comes from one account according to CCP Logibro......... that would be my EVE account. Dust isn't the only game I play. Limiting all my gaming free time to just the one isn't healthy and somewhat miopic. Just for the record I play, Elite Dangerous, some Destiny, dabble in Day-Z. H1Z1 looks promising. Got a backlog of games on my Xbox One still in their wrapper... Also, I have other hobbies. Forgive me on that one but I find having interests over a wide spectrum is helpful is most aspects of my life. Model Making, writing short stories, reading, watching some TV every now and then. Snowboarding, cycling and jogging because it's important to get off your arse at some point lest you absorb the chair into it. But even with all this, spread over the Eve client, Dust, Skype to CCP and forum time, My CPM duties take up nearly 20 hours of my week. Frankly I'm stunned I had the time to get as many kills as I did. But all of this is purely academic to be honest. Anyone reading this thread is likely to already have an entrenched view of the CPM anyway, searching for whatever scrap of data they can find to justify an opinion that no one will change anyway. It's a cliche I know but like many such cliche it's often true. Until you spend time on the CPM or the CSM, you really have no clue how much work is involved. Successfully run for either and experience it for yourself, I guarentee that you'll look back on your previous posts dissing the CPM and be incredibly embarrassed by them. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5442	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:07:00 - [42] - Quote Kevall is a spammer. D: "Kevall the Nigerian Prince" has a nice ring to it. ;) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10794	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:07:00 - [43] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Went through my contacts and for monthly kills Zatara - 0 Judge Rhadamanthus - 0 Soraya Xel - 0 Iron Wolf Saber - 1 Kevall Long stride - 60 Cross atu - 146 Sir man boy - 510 I'm at least glad 2 of our 7 CPM members have been playing the game. Um... 2? I count 3. Don't rule out Kevall. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1788	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:15:00 - [44] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Went through my contacts and for monthly kills Zatara - 0 Judge Rhadamanthus - 0 Soraya Xel - 0 Iron Wolf Saber - 1 Kevall Long stride - 60 Cross atu - 146 Sir man boy - 510 I'm at least glad 2 of our 7 CPM members have been playing the game. This is why the forum trolls suggestions get pushed through. How else can you get information on the game without playing it? I say anyone that wants to give input on the game should be able to submit an application through the game so that their character can be tracked for activity. Out of the pool of at least semi active players a random group is chosen to join a channel where for 2 weeks devs join off and on to converse with them directly and get input. Once the two weeks is up a new group is chosen. Devs would have at their discretion to add people from each group to a secondary channel for immediate feedback on releases and hotfixes. According to what Ratatti has said and the activity that is visible the current CPM has made great progress in opening lines of communication with the player base as a whole instead of just them and I greatly applaud this. The simple fact tho is the fact that the majority of the forum population represents the minority of the player population. I say this from experience because thanks to the latest round of changes I have taken to playing mostly Eve with a few matches here and there on Dust while still forum warrioring because I have realized that is the only way to attempt to give any input. Taking real information from a random group of players both new and veteran for just a short amount of time stands to benefit far more than from the people who post the loudest or have been elected a position through a pseudo election system that only puts forward the people who have the most friends with accounts that are active. Note: I say pseudo election because only minimal amount of the Dust population knows what CPM is little less feels the need to go vote for it.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1788	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:15:00 - [45] - Quote Double post
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9268	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:25:00 - [46] - Quote Sgt Arkena Merc for CPM 2 CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 726	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:26:00 - [47] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Sgt Arkena Merc for CPM 2 Fanfics incuming... GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We need a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1827	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:57:00 - [48] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: tldr I kid I did read: but geeze I see why your sending 30+ mails to each merc. Is the stuff contained in these mails not on the forums or something? Just looks like your sending a lot of waste to new people. I was reading the thread for the lols but now I'm curious. TLDR : Last Dust Montage
Viktor's Alt Negative-Impact Back and Forth 0	Posted - 2015.01.19 07:22:00 - [49] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. When we want to know how to improve our game game we ask the people who don't play the game. ~CCP I know you must defend them but those stats are just ridiculous. You might talk to them daily but that does not mean they know what they are talking about...
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7901	Posted - 2015.01.19 08:02:00 - [50] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. Who do we talk to if we feel the CPM isn't advocating or representing us fairly / in a manner we'd like? I am... La línea roja artillero..! Tears collected from Redline sniping -:- 45

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18343	Posted - 2015.01.19 08:02:00 - [51] - Quote Bethhy wrote: One Eyed King wrote: To be fair to IWS, he played every day... He is just that bad. Nearly 3 years playing DUST and I Have seen IWS in game twice... The first time he lost three tanks and quit match.(Nothing wrong with this... Find a match that you have fun in, I firmly believe this) Second time I saw him out of the red-line in the first initial push for 5 mins? Then rest he sat in red-line sniping. This was a year or two ago? And I played this game religiously then... The problem is; even Judge... rarely played DUST.... sure? He sat on the forums and spent alot of time on skype? He even spent alot of time building spreadsheets and collecting data for his specific passion in the game. But Judge rarely played DUST... a few times a week for an hour or two.... Most of the active DUST players don't come on forums, skype, twitter....Because they are too busy playing the actual game.. There are only a few even on these forums that make a post and play the game in the same day. If CCP really wants to promote a proper CPM representation of the average DUST player.... They would have to infuse the CPM election right into the DUST UI...... So players that play the game can actually vote.... The voter turn out for CPM should make CCP feel like they failed. Not the community feel like they failed at the CPM vote. Couple Falsehoods here ; 1 I don't quit after losing three tanks I generally call a 4th one in because I am trying to figure the hostile fit out. Also if you can recall which tank it was I was losing during my spree Ill give you a cookie. Now a days though I lose one tank I go AV fit; can't afford the losses anymore. 2 I am a scout sniper and play infield 3 Last time I saw you in a min scout shotgunning harassing point D on the bridge map and I was with 3 blues trying to secure the back line while rest of the team pushed; we lost that round still. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7901	Posted - 2015.01.19 08:19:00 - [52] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Went through my contacts and for monthly kills Zatara - 0 Judge Rhadamanthus - 0 Soraya Xel - 0 Iron Wolf Saber - 1 Kevall Long stride - 60 Cross atu - 146 Sir man boy - 510 I'm at least glad 2 of our 7 CPM members have been playing the game. Here's why I'm not confident in the current CPM. Was the Thale's scope OP? Debatable. But when you have the balls to basically say that anyone who disagrees with you is 'wrong', I can't help but consider that as grounds for extreme bias in your general attitude toward everything related to the game. Lot of the other CPM aren't much better, either. Cross Atu and Kevall Longstride are the most sane/approachable of the lot but they won't discuss gameplay aspects they're not 100% comfortable in. I can respect that, at least. About the only thing the majority of the CPM are good for is trolling the players as hard as humanly possible, being completely AWOL, or having some pretty noticeable bias toward gameplay aspects they're interested in. Of course you can't prove this because we don't get Summit Minutes like Eve Online does but I've been told that bringing this sort of thing up is just baseless drama, so take what I say as a grain of salt. Not saying I'd do a better job, though. I quit caring. I've had a lot of resentment toward the game as a whole and find it incredibly difficult to keep up the drive to continue playing like I used to. But I do know that this current system needs to change or we're just going to be going in circles. I think that Dust 514 has only gotten as far as it has by CCP Rattati thinking like an Engineer and doing right by the numbers but eventually the CPM's "feedback" is going to start to show the signs of degradation, which I feel it already has in some of the more niche areas and specializations. At this point, I'd argue that the community should start forming sub-communities that align with congruent viewpoints. Only way you're going to have the momentum to actually get your voices heard unless it just happens to align with whatever idea the current CPM has for the game. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 357	Posted - 2015.01.19 08:23:00 - [53] - Quote Yes, please vote for me next time folks. I play one time more than half the people on the present CPM. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 397	Posted - 2015.01.19 08:25:00 - [54] - Quote CPM: Do not listen to this hypocrite. You guys are doing a fantastic job. Keep up the goodwork. Even though I haven't been able to play lately, I check the forums every day, and watch the game develop. :) I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 3143	Posted - 2015.01.19 08:41:00 - [55] - Quote Considering the CPM is mostly a focus group, I don't think it is overly important that they play the game 24/7. It is a little disheartening seeing that so many are not active but I would hazard a guess that a lot of it has to do with the fact that December-January is an absolute monster for when it comes to free time. I would think, and hope, that the CPM is more active next month. Of course, that is only active in the game sense. As a focus group, getting information and bouncing information to CCP is likely more important. The forums are also a great way to get player thoughts even if they weren't playing it. Really, I would go with meetings and forum activity being the "CPM's job" and whether or not they are playing the game is a non-factor. This doesn't mean that the CPM should just never play DUST but I don't think this is as bad as it looks at first glance. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1614	Posted - 2015.01.19 08:56:00 - [56] - Quote Bethhy wrote: One Eyed King wrote: To be fair to IWS, he played every day... He is just that bad. Nearly 3 years playing DUST and I Have seen IWS in game twice... The first time he lost three tanks and quit match.(Nothing wrong with this... Find a match that you have fun in, I firmly believe this) Second time I saw him out of the red-line in the first initial push for 5 mins? Then rest he sat in red-line sniping. This was a year or two ago? And I played this game religiously then... The problem is; even Judge... rarely played DUST.... sure? He sat on the forums and spent alot of time on skype? He even spent alot of time building spreadsheets and collecting data for his specific passion in the game. But Judge rarely played DUST... a few times a week for an hour or two.... Most of the active DUST players don't come on forums, skype, twitter....Because they are too busy playing the actual game.. There are only a few even on these forums that make a post and play the game in the same day. If CCP really wants to promote a proper CPM representation of the average DUST player.... They would have to infuse the CPM election right into the DUST UI...... So players that play the game can actually vote.... The voter turn out for CPM should make CCP feel like they failed. Not the community feel like they failed at the CPM vote. Can we re-post this daily.. Have voting and campaign propaganda IN-GAME not on an alt-forum chances are a chunk of votes came from the guys with 2 ps3's and 20 psn a/c's lol Unless the CPM is intended to have nothing to do with the community or the game If that's the case, then yeah lets do another forum parade.. what could go wrong??
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14491	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:00:00 - [57] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Sgt Arkena Merc for CPM 2 The CPM will be the most fabulous one yet thanks to our glorious Gallentean presence! Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave
ScI-Iurk Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 51	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:00:00 - [58] - Quote I'm really thankfull for all the people on the CPM spending time and energy trying to improve this game. You guys rock!
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1465	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:06:00 - [59] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. I respect your perspective on this and have a serious question for you: How intimately does a CPM member know the game or player base you represent if you don't partake in the game regularly and/or remain a connected and active member of the community? To be clear, I greatly appreciate the amount of work the CPM does and for the most part it's very difficult to understand what exactly it is they do or how they are positively impacting things. I feel fairly informed since I happen to know several of them quite well and talk to them frequently but I'm better position than the large majority of the players. I don't think the OP's comments were necessarily fair or perhaps indicative of some of the CPMs level of commitment, however, I can see how this point of view could be reached. Dec / Jan is also a difficult period to get a sensing of game participation. That said, it could be telling if you look at longitudinal participation in the game when you are a player and wonder what the CPM does to help you, CCP, and the game writ large. I am a big proponent of the CSM / CPM system and I want it and Dust to work. I don't think things are broken as some might say and I can see the frustration when examining the CPM. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14491	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:11:00 - [60] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. I respect your perspective on this and have a serious question for you: How intimately does a CPM member know the game or player base you represent if you don't partake in the game regularly and/or remain a connected and active member of the community? To be clear, I greatly appreciate the amount of work the CPM does and for the most part it's very difficult to understand what exactly it is they do or how they are positively impacting things. I feel fairly informed since I happen to know several of them quite well and talk to them frequently but I'm better position than the large majority of the players. I don't think the OP's comments were necessarily fair or perhaps indicative of some of the CPMs level of commitment, however, I can see how this point of view could be reached. Dec / Jan is also a difficult period to get a sensing of game participation. That said, it could be telling if you look at longitudinal participation in the game when you are a player and wonder what the CPM does to help you, CCP, and the game writ large. I am a big proponent of the CSM / CPM system and I want it and Dust to work. I don't think things are broken as some might say and I can see the frustration when examining the CPM. I don't play the game much now-a-days, only a bit each update. The game practically barely changed each update, and the result of the changes tend to be (at least in my case) predictable. So if you had deep knowledge of the game from playing the game for years like I did, you still do as long as you take a refresher each update and keep up with the forums. It also helps that I am in 4 different DUST related Skype chats with a bunch of members of the community, including the CPM. tl;dr - Until something truly major happens, the CPM knowledge of the game is still very valid months after they last played the game, as long as they keep up with forum stuff and talk to other people, and check out each update. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave

demonkiller 12 The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 449	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:27:00 - [61] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: Come on, I'm a nobody and I've got over 2000 kills for the month. And I work a full time job. These guys needed to step it up Do you have people constantly bombarding you with mail and threads about how you do nothing. No
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game RUST415 1652	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:34:00 - [62] - Quote Excluding Judge and Zatara who I havent seen or played with im quite some time, before christmas I ran into every other CPM quite regularly. Christmas and New Year obviously reduce play time, and you have to give them the credit for running 2 full-time jobs, especially as one is unpaid. Yes even IWS, who I have seen have a couple of good games before. "Why build ontop of foundations that aren't solid?" HRI -> TUL -> FC -> ML -> TLoD -> RE -> DMG Pilot & Assault.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1473	Posted - 2015.01.19 10:43:00 - [63] - Quote I for one thank the CPM for taking the crap from the player base so I don't have to. Keep up the good work! /c DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status

KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1735	Posted - 2015.01.19 10:48:00 - [64] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. The playtime has very much to do with knowing the current build and hotfix and how the recent changes affect in real game Pro-choice! For hazardous self-activated inertial dampeners! We want to live on the edge (((of MCC)))
Fristname Family name The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 90	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:02:00 - [65] - Quote ummm have you all heard of being a dedicated logi? maybe they all are just logi bro-ing IWS so he can get 11 more kills than some people :P also i have a 503 ( 504 in less than 3hours ) daily bonus but do you my main on dust everyday? no cause if i dont get a key in my dailys or cant get a squad with a ffew people i like to play with i get straight off ( i might chat in my channels 1st for 30mins or so ) but yeah also they may not wanna be a 1 game person, tbh Dust can get repetitive some times if your solo but not all the time. i still would rather play DA2 or Beyond 2 souls for 14hours then play dust for 1hour or less but if i had a job well.. i think ps3 would miss me... and this is why i dont log into the forums.. i go on about nothing for a lil bit every time XD AKA:Wings,Wingman,Inmortal,Slayer,Frist,Fristname,ThatWeirdGuy,Mumbles PREPARE THE BATTLE HAMMOCK AND PURPLE GARDEN HOSE
Fristname Family name The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 90	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:08:00 - [66] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. The playtime has very much to do with knowing the current build and hotfix and how the recent changes affect in real game they have test servers im pretty shure. also I know for a fact that a few members ( proberly most of the Dust team ) have alts that they play on and are undercover ( i can imagine them now defending CCP whenever some one talks crap about them XD or talking crap about the work they did on the game that had a bug in it without realising it was their fault XD ) but yeah they got test servers or something im pretty shure. AKA:Wings,Wingman,Inmortal,Slayer,Frist,Fristname,ThatWeirdGuy,Mumbles PREPARE THE BATTLE HAMMOCK AND PURPLE GARDEN HOSE
Michael Arck 6158	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:12:00 - [67] - Quote SMH @ Smear campaigns Foggy Focus Community who doesn't understand the people they vote for Ridiculous expectations CPMs who don't understand their playerbase Friend promotion because they are in same corporation the list can go on after reading this thread... Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1304	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:13:00 - [68] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: Excluding Judge and Zatara who I havent seen or played with in quite some time, before christmas I ran into every other CPM quite regularly. Christmas and New Year obviously reduce play time, and you have to give them the credit for running 2 full-time jobs, especially as one is unpaid. Yes even IWS, who I have seen have a couple of good games before. Z has had some real **** ** come up, and as much as FA likes to joke about him and Destiny it's not really like that, at least for the past two months. None the less, he still tries asking us about DUST in our chat when he has the free time. He still cares a lot about the game and community, but real life just gets in the way some times. Dual tanking is for bad players. Come play a better game.
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 82	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:14:00 - [69] - Quote There's no excuse not to have Less than 800 kills for the month of DUST. I most of the time sit idle until a friend sends me a invite. Play time isn't a factor in helping develop a game The **** is this? Is this how changes get made? I'm confused at the logic to this. Who on earth changes something or suggests changes without playing the game quite frequently? For f-ks sake, even people fresh out of the academy even achieve at least 200 kills for the month. If they keep playing Play time should be a pretty big factor in talking changes/suggestions with someone. Ain't nothing stopping them from leaving the match when you contact them through Skype or something. Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6586	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:14:00 - [70] - Quote I find it amusing that so many people blame the CPM for things. Hint: they get no say in finalized design decisions. They are advisors, information filters and an ear open. The decisions on what goes into the game are entirely out of their hands. This thread is pointless. Also, found the logi tourist! Please cry directly into the bucket. -Ripley Riley

SoTa PoP Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 5754	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:21:00 - [71] - Quote OP proves nothing. Changes in this game aren't coming month by month in the first place, how often do you need to play to understand the mechanics that have been in place for nearly 3 years? Updates now-a-days are number changes, you hardly need to play to understand that. If anything, we as a community just have bad luck that our CPM are tied up as they are. Best we can do is support them as much as possible so they can bounce back when they get around to it. Judge - on the other hand................ n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
pumping up Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:25:00 - [72] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Updates now-a-days are number changes, you hardly need to play to understand that.. Disagreed. If the "number changes" are big enough it does change overall gameplay.
SoTa PoP Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 5754	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:27:00 - [73] - Quote pumping up wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Updates now-a-days are number changes, you hardly need to play to understand that.. Disagreed. If the "number changes" are big enough it does change overall gameplay. Change what, exactly? The only numbers changing are weapons and maybe slight mod tweaks. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1738	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:34:00 - [74] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: OP proves nothing. but is rather an indication. Pro-choice! For hazardous self-activated inertial dampeners! We want to live on the edge (((of MCC)))
Michael Arck 6158	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:36:00 - [75] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: OP proves nothing. Changes in this game aren't coming month by month in the first place, how often do you need to play to understand the mechanics that have been in place for nearly 3 years? Updates now-a-days are number changes, you hardly need to play to understand that. If anything, we as a community just have bad luck that our CPM are tied up as they are. Best we can do is support them as much as possible so they can bounce back when they get around to it. Judge - on the other hand................ Lol this post above is just red hot BS Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1738	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:47:00 - [76] - Quote Fristname Family name wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: The playtime has very much to do with knowing the current build and hotfix and how the recent changes affect in real game they have test servers im pretty shure. also I know for a fact that a few members ( proberly most of the Dust team ) have alts that they play on and are undercover ( i can imagine them now defending CCP whenever some one talks crap about them XD or talking crap about the work they did on the game that had a bug in it without realising it was their fault XD ) but yeah they got test servers or something im pretty shure. That's just a guess, right? So far there's been no indication on any outsider getting to test servers (which by my guess would be mostly coders testing area). On a level of thought, it would be a good idea. But to the point: Dust is a massive multiplayer game. A very limited environment test server can never simulate how the real player tactics evolve, how the meta changes and many other things. Often 'how it happens' is as important to witness as the result on the SQL or scoreboard. Pro-choice! For hazardous self-activated inertial dampeners! We want to live on the edge (((of MCC)))
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4268	Posted - 2015.01.19 12:38:00 - [77] - Quote Looks at OP post. Looks at OP sig. This is not the kind of person to ever vote for. When CPM elections do come around this is one candidate you can safely keep off your list. If a CPM is inactive in-game AND neglecting their CPM duties I can see there being an issue. If they are dishonest about their activity again that is an issue as well. The CPM posting here have been fairly forthright in any RL issues they may have. I interact with many CPM on a daily basis and they are passionate about the community and about Dust. They are also working their butts off for you guys. When the election season comes up there will plenty of time for petty attacks like this one, and for hard questions to be asked. There will also be time to look at what CPM 1 has accomplished, and however cynical you may be that list is getting longer by the day. Delt, feel free to crawl back in the dank hole you came out of. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Helghus Resther Heisen Republic 68	Posted - 2015.01.19 13:10:00 - [78] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Sgt Arkena Merc for CPM 2 Not sure who that is. The winner of this war will not prove who's right; only, who's left.
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven 1039	Posted - 2015.01.19 13:27:00 - [79] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. Jesus H Christ, Rattati, please read that statement again and think about it a little bit? CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is CCP Rattati wrote: a ready gang of players who know the game intimately How, exactly, does a player "know the game intimately" if they don't play it? Laughing. My ******* Ass. Off. Well, to be fair, you guys at CCP manage to (lol) develop the game without playing it either, so I guess it's all relative Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 15161	Posted - 2015.01.19 13:27:00 - [80] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. I respect your perspective on this and have a serious question for you: How intimately does a CPM member know the game or player base you represent if you don't partake in the game regularly and/or remain a connected and active member of the community? To be clear, I greatly appreciate the amount of work the CPM does and for the most part it's very difficult to understand what exactly it is they do or how they are positively impacting things. I feel fairly informed since I happen to know several of them quite well and talk to them frequently but I'm better position than the large majority of the players. I don't think the OP's comments were necessarily fair or perhaps indicative of some of the CPMs level of commitment, however, I can see how this point of view could be reached. Dec / Jan is also a difficult period to get a sensing of game participation. That said, it could be telling if you look at longitudinal participation in the game when you are a player and wonder what the CPM does to help you, CCP, and the game writ large. I am a big proponent of the CSM / CPM system and I want it and Dust to work. I don't think things are broken as some might say and I can see the frustration when examining the CPM. I don't play the game much now-a-days, only a bit each update. The game practically barely changed each update, and the result of the changes tend to be (at least in my case) predictable. So if you had deep knowledge of the game from playing the game for years like I did, you still do as long as you take a refresher each update and keep up with the forums. It also helps that I am in 4 different DUST related Skype chats with a bunch of members of the community, including the CPM. tl;dr - Until something truly major happens, the CPM knowledge of the game is still very valid months after they last played the game, as long as they keep up with forum stuff and talk to other people, and check out each update. Exactly, especially if you are well connected on top of that. And for further insights, I keep close tabs on two other things, my own experience which is basically from the dawn of time as a dust player, CCP employee and 20 year veteran of FPS's, and the forums themselves. I know the status intimately as I spend a lot of time in the forums, reading and replying. The CPM is there as the third pillar, providing ideas, giving feedback, countering my own arguments and pointing out specifics that I have missed. On top of that, providing collections of community feedback such as the Logi design document, etc. I only pray that the next CPM will be as good as this one. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6752	Posted - 2015.01.19 13:28:00 - [81] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Went through my contacts and for monthly kills Zatara - 0 Judge Rhadamanthus - 0 Soraya Xel - 0 Iron Wolf Saber - 1 Kevall Long stride - 60 Cross atu - 146 Sir man boy - 510 I'm at least glad 2 of our 7 CPM members have been playing the game. Couple things... I'm not sure if you knew this, but we have 3 character slots per DUST 514 account. Yes, it's true, we can have alts. Life stuff happens. Moving, holidays, kids get sick, etc. I just finished driving from Texas and back; 30 hours in the car round trip. Ask me if I'm going to play Dust right now. **** no. Activity for almost every player tends to wane when we haven't had a patch/hotfix for a while. Dust 514 doesn't have PvE or even a full suite of gamemodes. What do you expect? I still see them on Skype and posting on the forums. They are involved in the community even if they aren't hopelessly grinding public dom matches. Just so you know, you lost any chance at a vote from me with this little mud slinging thread, Moss. Even if CPM1 was performing poorly, you don't post just to stir the pot. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Alaika Arbosa Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 2393	Posted - 2015.01.19 13:43:00 - [82] - Quote Maybe they just get murdered alot Like I did last night with a charge sniper rifle.... Amarr/Minmatar vehicles are OP (especially Minmatar speed tanks) ^The reason why CCP is afraid to release them
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6588	Posted - 2015.01.19 13:56:00 - [83] - Quote Maybe they play on alts so as not to get inundated by idiots wanting to cuss at them whenever their names appear. I've seen more dumbass crap directed towards the cpms in and out of game over crap they have no control over than I get in response to my traditional pre-battle blueberry sacrifice in FW. Or the random "because I feel like it" executions of blue dots mid firefight. Or when I destroy tanks or dropships or gleefully JLAV my daffy ass into the back of a gunnlogi. Or when I murder thale snipers, mass destroy aurum fits, shoot the enemy RE while the blue dot hacks for the five WP. None of any of my tear inducing tactics even come close to the vomit directed at the CPM over the dumbest crap. Makes you wonder why they bother listening to the forums at all. Also, found the logi tourist! Please cry directly into the bucket. -Ripley Riley
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 530	Posted - 2015.01.19 14:22:00 - [84] - Quote 1. I can get 146 kills in a 3hr session if not less, its really not hard to do 2. If they use alts then why bother in the 1st place in being elected as a community rep 2a. If they get hate mail, delete it and block them, again not hard 2b. If they want to play solo lock squad and if no talking to anyone no mic, again not hard 3. If you play you are at least upto date on a few things and can test out and see what something is like from the otherside
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5458	Posted - 2015.01.19 14:46:00 - [85] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Who do we talk to if we feel the CPM isn't advocating or representing us fairly / in a manner we'd like? The CPM2 ballot box. Aeon Amadi wrote: Here's why I'm not confident in the current CPM. Sorry I nerfed your class. (Not sorry./Wasn't even me./I like sniping too.) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 530	Posted - 2015.01.19 14:53:00 - [86] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Who do we talk to if we feel the CPM isn't advocating or representing us fairly / in a manner we'd like? The CPM2 ballot box. 1. There is the problem - We have to wait the best part of a year to get rid of people who are no longer intrested/playing other games and the chances are the next CPM will do exactly the same thing because they can get away with it and at the same time bag a free holiday 2. Should be allowed to recall members who are not doing anything and vote for someone else to take there place 3. Should put a option on the ballot to 'not have a CPM at all'
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5458	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:03:00 - [87] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. There is the problem - We have to wait the best part of a year to get rid of people who are no longer intrested/playing other games and the chances are the next CPM will do exactly the same thing because they can get away with it and at the same time bag a free holiday 2. Should be allowed to recall members who are not doing anything and vote for someone else to take there place 3. Should put a option on the ballot to 'not have a CPM at all' 1. Vote smart. And a work trip isn't really a free holiday. And currently nobody has gotten flown anywhere. 2. Not really. There's a lot of setup for a vote, and a vote for a seat at a time isn't worth it, and there's almost no point in re-filling a seat more than halfway through a term (CSM has been through this) as it takes time to get with the program. 3. There should absolutely always be a CPM. I would rather have a CPM of DNSBlack, BAMM HAVOC, CEOPyrex, and you than have no CPM at all. There are so many bad things the community will never have to contend with because the CPM exists to ensure they never happen. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Alaika Arbosa Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 2394	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:08:00 - [88] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. There is the problem - We have to wait the best part of a year to get rid of people who are no longer intrested/playing other games and the chances are the next CPM will do exactly the same thing because they can get away with it and at the same time bag a free holiday 2. Should be allowed to recall members who are not doing anything and vote for someone else to take there place 3. Should put a option on the ballot to 'not have a CPM at all' 1. Vote smart. And a work trip isn't really a free holiday. And currently nobody has gotten flown anywhere. 2. Not really. There's a lot of setup for a vote, and a vote for a seat at a time isn't worth it, and there's almost no point in re-filling a seat more than halfway through a term (CSM has been through this) as it takes time to get with the program. 3. There should absolutely always be a CPM. I would rather have a CPM of DNSBlack, BAMM HAVOC, CEOPyrex, and you than have no CPM at all. There are so many bad things the community will never have to contend with because the CPM exists to ensure they never happen. Lemme guess, NDA prevents you from telling us what exactly all of that is? Amirite? Amarr/Minmatar vehicles are OP (especially Minmatar speed tanks) ^The reason why CCP is afraid to release them
Yeeeuuuupppp Random Gunz 807	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:08:00 - [89] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. ^ I see IWS on occasionally in that devhangout channel and he answers my questions and cleared confusion about why it's called 1.10 instead of 2.0 xD See you on the flip side brother PSN: GMANCASH Come on innnnn
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1829	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:15:00 - [90] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: 3. There should absolutely always be a CPM. I would rather have a CPM of DNSBlack, BAMM HAVOC, CEOPyrex, and you than have no CPM at all. There are so many bad things the community will never have to contend with because the CPM exists to ensure they never happen. Heard it here first. Sora Xel endorses BAMM HAVOK for CPM2! TLDR : Last Dust Montage

ReGnYuM Red Star. 3439	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:16:00 - [91] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. Prove it.
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 83	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:16:00 - [92] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: 3. There should absolutely always be a CPM. I would rather have a CPM of DNSBlack, BAMM HAVOC, CEOPyrex, and you than have no CPM at all. There are so many bad things the community will never have to contend with because the CPM exists to ensure they never happen. Heard it here first. Sora Xel endorses BAMM HAVOK for CPM2! Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1387	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:17:00 - [93] - Quote Vote Soldner VonKuechle for CPM2! Real Life Experience: Owns and operates 100 cow(+youngstock) dairy farm in central minnesota Liaison with his dairy co-operative between the corporate board and young(under 40, LOL) farmers Was recently added as a "Director at large" to the central area council board of directors Lobbys to state and federal congresses when needed, notable work includes: the repeal of a 10% 'agricultural labor' tax in mn, and the 2014 farm bill in dc In-Game Experience: been playing nearly daily for the past 2.4years CEO of SAM-MIK, a now casual corp, with moderate PC knowledge *Voting member of Tso's leadership panel If elected, I promise nothing of consequence except to work to the best of my abilities in relaying information and ideas from the player base into the minds and possibly hearts of CCP Devs. Moss bud, ^^^^ this is how you throw your hat in the ring. 1 Warbarge. 5 market networks. Proto for everyone!
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5459	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:19:00 - [94] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: There are so many bad things the community will never have to contend with because the CPM exists to ensure they never happen. Lemme guess, NDA prevents you from telling us what exactly all of that is? Amirite?[/quote] Indeed you are. The downside of killing bad ideas before they get announced is CCP gets to pretend they never had said ideas. Though, in honest, CPM1 has had a much smoother time on that front, because CCP Rattati plays the game and is very easy to work with. There's a few distinct things I can think of that we unanimously said no to, but CPM0 had probably a rougher time. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 532	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:41:00 - [95] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. There is the problem - We have to wait the best part of a year to get rid of people who are no longer intrested/playing other games and the chances are the next CPM will do exactly the same thing because they can get away with it and at the same time bag a free holiday 2. Should be allowed to recall members who are not doing anything and vote for someone else to take there place 3. Should put a option on the ballot to 'not have a CPM at all' 1. Vote smart. And a work trip isn't really a free holiday. And currently nobody has gotten flown anywhere. 2. Not really. There's a lot of setup for a vote, and a vote for a seat at a time isn't worth it, and there's almost no point in re-filling a seat more than halfway through a term (CSM has been through this) as it takes time to get with the program. 3. There should absolutely always be a CPM. I would rather have a CPM of DNSBlack, BAMM HAVOC, CEOPyrex, and you than have no CPM at all. There are so many bad things the community will never have to contend with because the CPM exists to ensure they never happen. 1. Vote smart - The idiots voted for judge and he disappeared to destiny so that didnt go well 1a. Its a free holiday 2. Takes time to get with the program of disappearing and doing nothing 2a. You dont want it because chances are you could have been voted out 3. No 3a. CPM0 proved we didnt need a CPM at all since that was a car/bus/train/plane/spaceship crash all rolled into one concluding with the 'Rouge wedding' and IWS post of comparing it to buying DLC and old games turning off servers - Nothing will ever top that disaster 3b. CPM1 currently has done nothing - While CPM0 tried to kill the game CPM1 has done nothing at all which again questions why do we need you? 99% of the playerbase didnt even bother to vote so give them the option to not have one and i wouldnt be suprised if the playerbase voted not to have a cpm
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6596	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:43:00 - [96] - Quote Breakin Stuff for CPM2 Qualifications: none Agenda: I have a comprehensive plan intended to allow me to feast upon cheetos while playing DUST Timetable: 12th day of never References: That guy who did that thing. I promise you I will make grand promises. I also promise that warbarges will come fully equipped with floors if you elect me. Also, found the logi tourist! Please cry directly into the bucket. -Ripley Riley
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6755	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:44:00 - [97] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I promise you I will make grand promises. I also promise that warbarges will come fully equipped with floors if you elect me. Truly the leader we all deserve. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1387	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:45:00 - [98] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Breakin Stuff for CPM2 Qualifications: none Agenda: I have a comprehensive plan intended to allow me to feast upon cheetos while playing DUST Timetable: 12th day of never References: That guy who did that thing. I promise you I will make grand promises. I also promise that warbarges will come fully equipped with floors if you elect me. I withdraw my application to fully support Breakin Stuff on his campaign of cheetos and HAV destruction. 1 Warbarge. 5 market networks. Proto for everyone!
The Noob Destroyer 1243	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:45:00 - [99] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Breakin Stuff for CPM2 Qualifications: none Agenda: I have a comprehensive plan intended to allow me to feast upon cheetos while playing DUST Timetable: 12th day of never References: That guy who did that thing. I promise you I will make grand promises. I also promise that warbarges will come fully equipped with floors if you elect me. You got my vote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_LxyhCJpsM
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6758	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:52:00 - [100] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Breakin Stuff for CPM2 I am announcing my own candidacy on the platform that I will be at least 10% more effective CPM than Breakin. Considering the base line for quality that Judge R has set for CPM, I should be a shoe in. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley

Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6602	Posted - 2015.01.19 16:06:00 - [101] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Breakin Stuff for CPM2 I am announcing my own candidacy on the platform that I will be at least 10% more effective CPM than Breakin. Considering the base line for quality that Judge R has set for CPM, I should be a shoe in. I promise that a random ten year old could do better than me. Unfortunately you have to be an adult to run, so here I am. Also, found the logi tourist! Please cry directly into the bucket. -Ripley Riley
Balistyc Farshot The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 31	Posted - 2015.01.19 17:01:00 - [102] - Quote Forum trolls - Turn off the caps lock and get back under your bridges thumbs downing laughing babies! CPMs - Dudes, you have been on the forums before. Handle this the same way the greats do (Aztec was funny about his mascot jokes), A little sarcasm and insult their skills. Then invite them to a PC stomping you host. Most of the people griping will no show and the argument deflates. Trying to argue this back is only going to make you come off as petty. I have a proposed answer below you guys can chew on. I am sure you all read this thread. It has been months since the devs played with the players. The devs all have their special suits now. How hard is it to maybe schedule some games in a day where CPMs and Devs play with people again? Then all this flamage could be cut down with a simple, "Yup, you took my ADS apart with those proto swarms, but my scouts ate you up so why are you thinking it is broken." It might be good to just make an event that way. If this thread had that proposal, I apologize, but I couldn't read all the hating after the 3rd page. Heavy with a massive bullet hose called Lola (Burst HMG).
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 716	Posted - 2015.01.19 17:13:00 - [103] - Quote Sort of preaching to choir, and still you're managing butthurt about not making it on the CPM at the same time. I don't need to look at the stats to see how little time they spend with the game, but it is funny seeing soraya valiantly defend swarms in one post Soraya Xel wrote: We'd need to make them go faster and hit harder if they're going to be easier to evade. Swarms are finally relevant. I'm not going to let them get nerfed into oblivion again. and then admit he doesn't play anymore in another. You couldn't make up this level of hypocrisy Say what you will about judge, he isn't on the forums talking about dropships because he's not playing much anymore and isnt inclined to comment on things here he hasn't experienced for himself. Hats off to Sirmanboy, cross and kevall, bumping heads with Sirmanboy in another thread, but at least they are still keeping active and maybe catching flak for it is a good thing. at least he can see the impact of what the devs do. if the devs think the CPM don't need to play the game to give feedback on the game, then thats their business. Still, no matter what you think of them and i have my own lowly opinions of my own, once they are on, they are on, you and i couldve run better campaigns but we didnt, and its called a sad day for you. Just get off the CPM's Nuts will you? Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
DUST Fiend Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 15582	Posted - 2015.01.19 17:16:00 - [104] - Quote Judge is still a better CPM than Sorya will -ever- be My YouTube (currently inactive) Homeless Dropship Enthusiast "See You Space Cowboy"
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6760	Posted - 2015.01.19 17:29:00 - [105] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is still a better CPM than Sorya will -ever- be If Soraya was completely inactive he would still be better than Judge. Judge R thought a 50 K/D flying godmode genocide chariot was balanced It boggles the ******* mind, I tell you. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5613	Posted - 2015.01.19 17:33:00 - [106] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is still a better CPM than Sorya will -ever- be If Soraya was completely inactive he would still be better than Judge. Judge R thought a 50 K/D flying godmode genocide chariot was balanced It boggles the ******* mind, I tell you. He did provide video evidence of certain broken things, like "stealth damage" (no hit indication, or blow), invisible swarms, invisible everything because lolrendering. But yes, I agree that he did endorse flying death machines a bit too much.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18356	Posted - 2015.01.19 17:43:00 - [107] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Breakin Stuff for CPM2 Qualifications: none Agenda: I have a comprehensive plan intended to allow me to feast upon cheetos while playing DUST Timetable: 12th day of never References: That guy who did that thing. I promise you I will make grand promises. I also promise that warbarges will come fully equipped with floors if you elect me. A man after my own heart CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18356	Posted - 2015.01.19 17:44:00 - [108] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Maybe they play on alts so as not to get inundated by idiots wanting to cuss at them whenever their names appear. I've seen more dumbass crap directed towards the cpms in and out of game over crap they have no control over than I get in response to my traditional pre-battle blueberry sacrifice in FW. Or the random "because I feel like it" executions of blue dots mid firefight. Or when I destroy tanks or dropships or gleefully JLAV my daffy ass into the back of a gunnlogi. Or when I murder thale snipers, mass destroy aurum fits, shoot the enemy RE while the blue dot hacks for the five WP. None of any of my tear inducing tactics even come close to the vomit directed at the CPM over the dumbest crap. Makes you wonder why they bother listening to the forums at all. ^This and FW. Friendly fire incidents are high with this one. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6760	Posted - 2015.01.19 17:48:00 - [109] - Quote Joel II X wrote: He did provide video evidence of certain broken things, like "stealth damage" (no hit indication, or blow), invisible swarms, invisible everything because lolrendering. But yes, I agree that he did endorse flying death machines a bit too much. His videos were very helpful, and they made him an excellent community member. I am still not certain the videos made him a good CPM candidate though. He seemed incredibly unwilling to listen to reason when it came to the state of vehicle balance. That's not a good quality in a representative. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 7077	Posted - 2015.01.19 17:48:00 - [110] - Quote i havent played at all for a week or so. The reason its not balance. Its not heavy spam. its not that i dont WANT to. Its that i CANT. The connection issues have been so many latey that i found out im stressing myself out instead of enjoying the game. PUB Proto stompers have always been shameless pad staters whom i laugh at for being tryhards. But lately it hasnt been so funny because im not only in a constant disardvantage but i cannot kill them at all. Its NOT skill. I am SHooting at their faces and no damage is being registered. People teleporting around , people who dont take any damage, Burst HMG users showing as they are using a REGULAR HMG with double the RoF (The Burst HMG doesnt stop shooting), Invisible remote explosives that i HEAR but i cant see...etc.. I love dust. b/ut until the servers are improved i wont be playing more than 2-4 games a week... Playing as : Calscout + Amarr Assault

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6760	Posted - 2015.01.19 17:56:00 - [111] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: I love dust. b/ut until the servers are improved i wont be playing more than 2-4 games a week... Can confirm, the lag and FPS issues are real. I have had several MS powerpoint matches recently. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18357	Posted - 2015.01.19 17:59:00 - [112] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: I love dust. b/ut until the servers are improved i wont be playing more than 2-4 games a week... Can confirm, the lag and FPS issues are real. I have had several MS powerpoint matches recently. Not sure whats worse; joking about dust being like power point slides or actually complaining about power point having fps issues like dust. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
DUST Fiend Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 15582	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:01:00 - [113] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is still a better CPM than Sorya will -ever- be If Soraya was completely inactive he would still be better than Judge. Judge R thought a 50 K/D flying godmode genocide chariot was balanced It boggles the ******* mind, I tell you. Thats because you dont understand where hes coming from. That 50-0 is stretched over many matches, and only goes to the most skilled pilots who also run with good players to kill off enemy AV People thinking KDR is relevant are the problem, particularly with dropships, which are now plenty easy to scare off or kill. Especially with swarms where they are, since no level of skill lets you avoid them, and they dont exactly take much effort to use. KDR for a pilot is fairly irrelevant and speaks more of the opponents shortcomings than the pilots skill, since even bad AV can keep you running or off target much of the match. Also, i believe he said that back when ships were still over 500k, so avoiding death was the real indicator of a skilled pilot, not how many kills they got over many matches. If a pilot goes 20-0 in the face of coordinated or persistent AV, they outplayed you, pure and simple. My YouTube (currently inactive) Homeless Dropship Enthusiast "See You Space Cowboy"
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2907	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:02:00 - [114] - Quote Having had the pleasure of playing with him for almost two years now, I always knew SMB would make a fine CPM. Keep doing what you're doing, brother.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5903	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:02:00 - [115] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Too bad Pokey didn't make it onto the council. I was really pushing for Pokey. I really hope he runs and makes it on CPM2. He's pretty awesome. I have said it before and I will say it again. My one regret with the placement of my votes was putting Pokey 4th on my list instead of 1st. I will not make that mistake when voting for CPM2. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2797	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:06:00 - [116] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. There is the problem - We have to wait the best part of a year to get rid of people who are no longer intrested/playing other games and the chances are the next CPM will do exactly the same thing because they can get away with it and at the same time bag a free holiday 2. Should be allowed to recall members who are not doing anything and vote for someone else to take there place 3. Should put a option on the ballot to 'not have a CPM at all' 1. Vote smart. And a work trip isn't really a free holiday. And currently nobody has gotten flown anywhere. 2. Not really. There's a lot of setup for a vote, and a vote for a seat at a time isn't worth it, and there's almost no point in re-filling a seat more than halfway through a term (CSM has been through this) as it takes time to get with the program. 3. There should absolutely always be a CPM. I would rather have a CPM of DNSBlack, BAMM HAVOC, CEOPyrex, and you than have no CPM at all. There are so many bad things the community will never have to contend with because the CPM exists to ensure they never happen. Hopefully the next CPM will have someone that will actually defend vehicles. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5903	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:08:00 - [117] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: Come on, I'm a nobody and I've got over 2000 kills for the month. And I work a full time job. These guys needed to step it up Well, most of them have full time jobs to start with, and being on the CPM is a second full time job. That would only leave a little time to actually play the game, and things like family, moving, problems with service providers, trips, etc can reduce that even farther. One of the down sides of being on the CPM is that you don't have as much time to play DUST. Everyone knows that. I would be concerned though if I saw 0 kills for two or three months and no forum activity. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6760	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:08:00 - [118] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: If a pilot goes 20-0 in the face of coordinated or persistent AV, they outplayed you, pure and simple. So, help me understand, one average pilot needs to be taken down by multiple coordinated AV infantry? Yeah no This is why Judge R's attitude toward AV / ADS balance made him a laughingstock. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5904	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:12:00 - [119] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Come on, I'm a nobody and I've got over 2000 kills for the month. And I work a full time job. These guys needed to step it up I work two full-time jobs. One I get paid for, and one where I'm a CPM. The moving I get, but complaining about working? Lol. Full time running my own business and part time running drops and installing networks and I still have ample time to play, sit on the forums, have time with the gf and family and partake in community events like the poker night. Edit : and dam right I'll point out flaws with the CPM. Lets see how much time you have to play if you manage to get on CPM2. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2798	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:22:00 - [120] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Breakin Stuff for CPM2 Qualifications: none Agenda: I have a comprehensive plan intended to allow me to feast upon cheetos while playing DUST Timetable: 12th day of never References: That guy who did that thing. I promise you I will make grand promises. I also promise that warbarges will come fully equipped with floors if you elect me. Oh great, just what we need. Infantry that thinks he knows about vehicles. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

DUST Fiend Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 15582	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:23:00 - [121] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: If a pilot goes 20-0 in the face of coordinated or persistent AV, they outplayed you, pure and simple. So, help me understand, one average pilot needs to be taken down by multiple coordinated AV infantry? Yeah no This is why Judge R's attitude toward AV / ADS balance made him a laughingstock. So you support lowering ISK cost even further for dropships, and removing vehicle cap, since everything should be 1-1? Even when one weapon doesnt even need to be aimed? Oh, and FYI, right now, in game, it only takes ONE proto AV player to kill you if you mess up even a tiny little bit, despite your fit being more expensive, easier to lose to things beyond your control, and the fact that you will always be outnumbered thanks to commandos filling multiple roles and vehicle cap ensuring you can never field an equal amount of vehicles. Im sorry that pilots are more skilled than you and had the **** end of the stick for years, so they got used to surviving in the face of impossible odds. Judge is only a laughing stock to those who lack the experience required to understand his points. My YouTube (currently inactive) Homeless Dropship Enthusiast "See You Space Cowboy"
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5466	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:25:00 - [122] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is still a better CPM than Sorya will -ever- be Sorry I nerfed your class. (Not sorry./Wasn't actually me./You get the picture.) Spkr4theDead wrote: Hopefully the next CPM will have someone that will actually defend vehicles. Vote Pokey Dravon. He actually uses vehicles, and manages to not be Spkr about them. Fox Gaden wrote: Lets see how much time you have to play if you manage to get on CPM2. Let's be honest: Not happening. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6761	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:30:00 - [123] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'm sorry Apology accepted. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
DUST Fiend Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 15583	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:33:00 - [124] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I'm sorry Apology accepted. Thank you for acknowledging that you're less skilled than the pilots you fail to kill :D My YouTube (currently inactive) Homeless Dropship Enthusiast "See You Space Cowboy"
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18358	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:36:00 - [125] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Thats because you dont understand where hes coming from. That 50-0 is stretched over many matches, and only goes to the most skilled pilots who also run with good players to kill off enemy AV People thinking KDR is relevant are the problem, particularly with dropships, which are now plenty easy to scare off or kill. Especially with swarms where they are, since no level of skill lets you avoid them, and they dont exactly take much effort to use. KDR for a pilot is fairly irrelevant and speaks more of the opponents shortcomings than the pilots skill, since even bad AV can keep you running or off target much of the match. Also, i believe he said that back when ships were still over 500k, so avoiding death was the real indicator of a skilled pilot, not how many kills they got over many matches. If a pilot goes 20-0 in the face of coordinated or persistent AV, they outplayed you, pure and simple. But I mean there were terrible number of ads pilots crashing and getting killed without so much as a 2 kdr in those things. If Average was 50 Top end had to be around 200 to 500 kdr. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6761	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:38:00 - [126] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Thank you You are welcome. You are so polite It's refreshing to see young people who respect their betters. Run along now and play. The grown-ups are talking. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 2189	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:45:00 - [127] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Come on, I'm a nobody and I've got over 2000 kills for the month. And I work a full time job. These guys needed to step it up I work two full-time jobs. One I get paid for, and one where I'm a CPM. The moving I get, but complaining about working? Lol. Full time running my own business and part time running drops and installing networks and I still have ample time to play, sit on the forums, have time with the gf and family and partake in community events like the poker night. Edit : and dam right I'll point out flaws with the CPM. Lets see how much time you have to play if you manage to get on CPM2. I'll still have plenty of time. I tend to play while at work. Delt for CPM2 CPM1 MISSION : FAILED Moss-delt on skype
DUST Fiend Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 15584	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:47:00 - [128] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Thats because you dont understand where hes coming from. That 50-0 is stretched over many matches, and only goes to the most skilled pilots who also run with good players to kill off enemy AV People thinking KDR is relevant are the problem, particularly with dropships, which are now plenty easy to scare off or kill. Especially with swarms where they are, since no level of skill lets you avoid them, and they dont exactly take much effort to use. KDR for a pilot is fairly irrelevant and speaks more of the opponents shortcomings than the pilots skill, since even bad AV can keep you running or off target much of the match. Also, i believe he said that back when ships were still over 500k, so avoiding death was the real indicator of a skilled pilot, not how many kills they got over many matches. If a pilot goes 20-0 in the face of coordinated or persistent AV, they outplayed you, pure and simple. But I mean there were terrible number of ads pilots crashing and getting killed without so much as a 2 kdr in those things. If Average was 50 Top end had to be around 200 to 500 kdr to offset the large number of baddies. Also the compression of kills was much denser meaning that 50 kdr in a single match was not unheard of and I have been in a few games where the pilot got up to 40 kills so it is highly feasible. ANd if you want to talk about out numbering; Anti Infantry infantry will begin to outnumber the counter to them the moment a significant portion of players try to swap over to av. if any role could pull this off it would not be so bad but not even the HAV or LAV manages this. Yet when infantry goes 40-0, no one bats an eye. Those pilots are very few and far between, and I bet those were almost exclusively pythons, in matches without rail Incubus in play to keep them busy in the sky, as well as no significant AV presence. While pulling out too much AV will give the advantage to the team who focuses on anti infantry, there are lots of ways to maintain field presence while running AV. You should have Ratatti pull those numbers for ADS and how often they were destroyed (not how often the pilot dies, as these aren't the same) for both Python and Incubus. And you should also acknowledge that with no real anti shield AV, the shielded ship with a weapon designed to easily kill infantry will perform well. I STRONGLY doubt the vast majority of pilots were ever breaking even on ISK My YouTube (currently inactive) Homeless Dropship Enthusiast "See You Space Cowboy"
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18358	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:47:00 - [129] - Quote Started this little Gem shortly after I was made aware of this thread. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e3SsfC2OJc2f4xBUDtUADWxvpKF7sVwn0kfuwXVxx4c/edit#gid=177997361 Insofar not liking one of the proposals has some weak things going for it. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 2190	Posted - 2015.01.19 18:54:00 - [130] - Quote I think this is the most we've heard from the cpm and CCP in one thread this month as well. Delt for CPM2 CPM1 MISSION : FAILED Moss-delt on skype

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18359	Posted - 2015.01.19 19:00:00 - [131] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Thats because you dont understand where hes coming from. That 50-0 is stretched over many matches, and only goes to the most skilled pilots who also run with good players to kill off enemy AV People thinking KDR is relevant are the problem, particularly with dropships, which are now plenty easy to scare off or kill. Especially with swarms where they are, since no level of skill lets you avoid them, and they dont exactly take much effort to use. KDR for a pilot is fairly irrelevant and speaks more of the opponents shortcomings than the pilots skill, since even bad AV can keep you running or off target much of the match. Also, i believe he said that back when ships were still over 500k, so avoiding death was the real indicator of a skilled pilot, not how many kills they got over many matches. If a pilot goes 20-0 in the face of coordinated or persistent AV, they outplayed you, pure and simple. But I mean there were terrible number of ads pilots crashing and getting killed without so much as a 2 kdr in those things. If Average was 50 Top end had to be around 200 to 500 kdr to offset the large number of baddies. Also the compression of kills was much denser meaning that 50 kdr in a single match was not unheard of and I have been in a few games where the pilot got up to 40 kills so it is highly feasible. ANd if you want to talk about out numbering; Anti Infantry infantry will begin to outnumber the counter to them the moment a significant portion of players try to swap over to av. if any role could pull this off it would not be so bad but not even the HAV or LAV manages this. Yet when infantry goes 40-0, no one bats an eye. Those pilots are very few and far between, and I bet those were almost exclusively pythons, in matches without rail Incubus in play to keep them busy in the sky, as well as no significant AV presence. While pulling out too much AV will give the advantage to the team who focuses on anti infantry, there are lots of ways to maintain field presence while running AV. You should have Ratatti pull those numbers for ADS and how often they were destroyed (not how often the pilot dies, as these aren't the same) for both Python and Incubus. And you should also acknowledge that with no real anti shield AV, the shielded ship with a weapon designed to easily kill infantry will perform well. I STRONGLY doubt the vast majority of pilots were ever breaking even on ISK Because they're the top range of the kdr for infantry generally and do not represent the average of a measly 1/10th or the other 99% of their worthiness. A point alot of previous ADS pilots who have used this argument fail to realize. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Death Shadow117 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 453	Posted - 2015.01.19 19:08:00 - [132] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: Come on, I'm a nobody and I've got over 2000 kills for the month. And I work a full time job. These guys needed to step it up all foxtrotted up sir! Duct tape fixes everything from weapons to suits and even tanks.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6761	Posted - 2015.01.19 19:09:00 - [133] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: I think this is the most we've heard from the cpm and CCP in one thread this month as well. There have been CPM posts every day, multiple times per day by various CPM officers for the last week. Search tab > expand the Advanced search option > Badges: CPM > Search Rocket science it is not. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Balistyc Farshot The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 32	Posted - 2015.01.19 19:09:00 - [134] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: [quote=DUST Fiend] if any role could pull this off it would not be so bad but not even the HAV or LAV manages this. Yet when infantry goes 40-0, no one bats an eye. Those pilots are very few and far between, and I bet those were almost exclusively pythons, in matches without rail Incubus in play to keep them busy in the sky, as well as no significant AV presence. While pulling out too much AV will give the advantage to the team who focuses on anti infantry, there are lots of ways to maintain field presence while running AV. You should have Ratatti pull those numbers for ADS and how often they were destroyed (not how often the pilot dies, as these aren't the same) for both Python and Incubus. And you should also acknowledge that with no real anti shield AV, the shielded ship with a weapon designed to easily kill infantry will perform well. I STRONGLY doubt the vast majority of pilots were ever breaking even on ISK Dust Fiend, go get your cheaters, this is not the vehicle thread. If you want to get into that discussion go talk about AV being effective for once on another thread. Seriously, play a PC and you will always see an ADS so they are still relevant! They still are looking into balancing for vehicles so be happy and wait for a solid proposal. Now let us get back on topic. This is about how to get more interactions with the majority of the CPMs. Just this thread has garnered them a lot of hate. (Sorry guys, haters are gonna hate.) I say we focus on the CPMs who are killers and give them an applause. Other CPMs join in as well. Sorry, gonna heap on a little, non-playing over the last 2 months CPMS, hang your heads a little lower because you didn't participate in the 12 days of Dust with us regulars. I loved some of the stocking gifts. You have 2 redo days, so be sure to show up and have fun for those. The reason the player base is a little angry is because the GMs they voted in, aren't playing. We all have lives so lets roll past the last 2 months (which were busy) and commit to some time where we get to play with the CPMs. That's all people want. Heck, why aren't you guys getting copies of the officer gear to try on the general populace in the field? I would love to be shot by a fancy new officer suit. Like up, if you want to see the CPMs in officer gear stomping on the last 2 nights of Dustmas. Heavy with a massive bullet hose called Lola (Burst HMG).
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 540	Posted - 2015.01.19 19:10:00 - [135] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Thats because you dont understand where hes coming from. That 50-0 is stretched over many matches, and only goes to the most skilled pilots who also run with good players to kill off enemy AV People thinking KDR is relevant are the problem, particularly with dropships, which are now plenty easy to scare off or kill. Especially with swarms where they are, since no level of skill lets you avoid them, and they dont exactly take much effort to use. KDR for a pilot is fairly irrelevant and speaks more of the opponents shortcomings than the pilots skill, since even bad AV can keep you running or off target much of the match. Also, i believe he said that back when ships were still over 500k, so avoiding death was the real indicator of a skilled pilot, not how many kills they got over many matches. If a pilot goes 20-0 in the face of coordinated or persistent AV, they outplayed you, pure and simple. But I mean there were terrible number of ads pilots crashing and getting killed without so much as a 2 kdr in those things. If Average was 50 Top end had to be around 200 to 500 kdr to offset the large number of baddies. Also the compression of kills was much denser meaning that 50 kdr in a single match was not unheard of and I have been in a few games where the pilot got up to 40 kills so it is highly feasible. ANd if you want to talk about out numbering; Anti Infantry infantry will begin to outnumber the counter to them the moment a significant portion of players try to swap over to av. if any role could pull this off it would not be so bad but not even the HAV or LAV manages this. Yet when infantry goes 40-0, no one bats an eye. Those pilots are very few and far between, and I bet those were almost exclusively pythons, in matches without rail Incubus in play to keep them busy in the sky, as well as no significant AV presence. While pulling out too much AV will give the advantage to the team who focuses on anti infantry, there are lots of ways to maintain field presence while running AV. You should have Ratatti pull those numbers for ADS and how often they were destroyed (not how often the pilot dies, as these aren't the same) for both Python and Incubus. And you should also acknowledge that with no real anti shield AV, the shielded ship with a weapon designed to easily kill infantry will perform well. I STRONGLY doubt the vast majority of pilots were ever breaking even on ISK 1. Pubs is pubs where MM will give you an enemy with militia AV against a proto stomping squad where the python can go 40-0 and so can infantry 2. Look at PC stats and you will see a very different story and PC includes the best pilots in the game
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 540	Posted - 2015.01.19 19:11:00 - [136] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Started this little Gem shortly after I was made aware of this thread. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e3SsfC2OJc2f4xBUDtUADWxvpKF7sVwn0kfuwXVxx4c/edit#gid=177997361 Insofar not liking one of the proposals has some weak things going for it. 1. Awful numbers uprising is 2. Chrome was so much better
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18359	Posted - 2015.01.19 19:19:00 - [137] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Started this little Gem shortly after I was made aware of this thread. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e3SsfC2OJc2f4xBUDtUADWxvpKF7sVwn0kfuwXVxx4c/edit#gid=177997361 Insofar not liking one of the proposals has some weak things going for it. 1. Awful numbers uprising is 2. Chrome was so much better A lot of the model numbers being given to me are based off chrome. There are some messed up **** back then. Though trying to get chrome numbers now to throw in. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
DUST Fiend Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 15584	Posted - 2015.01.19 19:24:00 - [138] - Quote So IWS, youll have no issues showing me cold hard data that those pilots arent the best of the best, and everyone who hops into an ADS pulls those numbers consistently. I eagerly await your data that youve compiled proving that randoms go ham in ADS all the time. My YouTube (currently inactive) Homeless Dropship Enthusiast "See You Space Cowboy"
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 540	Posted - 2015.01.19 19:25:00 - [139] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Started this little Gem shortly after I was made aware of this thread. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e3SsfC2OJc2f4xBUDtUADWxvpKF7sVwn0kfuwXVxx4c/edit#gid=177997361 Insofar not liking one of the proposals has some weak things going for it. 1. Awful numbers uprising is 2. Chrome was so much better A lot of the model numbers being given to me are based off chrome. There are some messed up **** back then. Though trying to get chrome numbers now to throw in. 1. Chrome numbers generally were low CPU but high PG 2. I noticed breakin is nerfing everything again because 180poly did not give 2500 it was 3128 i think and alot of his numbers have been nerfed batted hard when compared to chrome
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 305	Posted - 2015.01.19 19:28:00 - [140] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: This is exactly why I don't vote for the CPM. Most are voted on just rhetoric by an ignorant and easy to sway populace and then they can just chill out and do nothing. Welcome to democracy, the worst form of government except for all the other ones.

Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 306	Posted - 2015.01.19 19:49:00 - [141] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Thats because you dont understand where hes coming from. That 50-0 is stretched over many matches, and only goes to the most skilled pilots who also run with good players to kill off enemy AV People thinking KDR is relevant are the problem, particularly with dropships, which are now plenty easy to scare off or kill. Especially with swarms where they are, since no level of skill lets you avoid them, and they dont exactly take much effort to use. KDR for a pilot is fairly irrelevant and speaks more of the opponents shortcomings than the pilots skill, since even bad AV can keep you running or off target much of the match. Also, i believe he said that back when ships were still over 500k, so avoiding death was the real indicator of a skilled pilot, not how many kills they got over many matches. If a pilot goes 20-0 in the face of coordinated or persistent AV, they outplayed you, pure and simple. But I mean there were terrible number of ads pilots crashing and getting killed without so much as a 2 kdr in those things. If Average was 50 Top end had to be around 200 to 500 kdr to offset the large number of baddies. Also the compression of kills was much denser meaning that 50 kdr in a single match was not unheard of and I have been in a few games where the pilot got up to 40 kills so it is highly feasible. ANd if you want to talk about out numbering; Anti Infantry infantry will begin to outnumber the counter to them the moment a significant portion of players try to swap over to av. if any role could pull this off it would not be so bad but not even the HAV or LAV manages this. Yet when infantry goes 40-0, no one bats an eye. Those pilots are very few and far between, and I bet those were almost exclusively pythons, in matches without rail Incubus in play to keep them busy in the sky, as well as no significant AV presence. While pulling out too much AV will give the advantage to the team who focuses on anti infantry, there are lots of ways to maintain field presence while running AV. You should have Ratatti pull those numbers for ADS and how often they were destroyed (not how often the pilot dies, as these aren't the same) for both Python and Incubus. And you should also acknowledge that with no real anti shield AV, the shielded ship with a weapon designed to easily kill infantry will perform well. I STRONGLY doubt the vast majority of pilots were ever breaking even on ISK 1. Pubs is pubs where MM will give you an enemy with militia AV against a proto stomping squad where the python can go 40-0 and so can infantry 2. Look at PC stats and you will see a very different story and PC includes the best pilots in the game And I bet you dont see people going 40-0 in PC with infantry fits either unless its some supercorp vs. scrubby new to PC co. Yes lets look at PC, where people have sat there hovering in front of my AV fit eating every AFG shot for a full clip, then fly off into the sky at light speed only to come back in a few seconds, rinse and repeat until he manages to hit me enough to kill me. Where I fire on rail tanks over and over, hitting them until Im almost out of ammo until they just blap me one time with a railgun and I die from a single hit. Where I repeatedly get first on my team for WP with only one or two vehicle kills, and the majority of my actual kills comes from me killing scouts trying to shotgun me. Why is it easier for me to kill infantry than it is for me to kill the thing Im supposed to counter? Why is it that every engagement is the vehicle's to lose and all the AV guy can do is hope he hits every shot, and even then the AV player has to make huge mistakes to actually die? Then on the flip side if more than one AV or (god forbid) a tank is firing at that vehicle its probably going to go down super easily and cost a ton of money, this means if there is significant opposition you have to play super careful with your vehicles which encourages unfun campy play. We need to fix this so that vehicles are cheaper so you can risk more and actually have fun, so that one AV player has a real chance to kill a vehicle, so that vehicles arent a dozen times easier to kill with a militia railgun tank that with a proto AV fit. Vehicles need to be completely rebalanced in both survivability (which needs to go down) and cost (which needs to go way down), swarm launchers need to be reworked completely so they require skill to hit with, and there needs to be some better balance between vehicles (railtanks vs. dropships in particular break down rediculously in favor of the railtank, and there needs to be a better infantry slayer turret that should be complete **** against other vehicles).
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 717	Posted - 2015.01.19 19:57:00 - [142] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: So IWS, youll have no issues showing me cold hard data that those pilots arent the best of the best, and everyone who hops into an ADS pulls those numbers consistently. I eagerly await your data that youve compiled proving that randoms go ham in ADS all the time. I have no idea why your wasting your time arguing with people who self admittedly hardly play the game. Think about it. When Sorya or IWS tells the devs whether something works or not without logging in to check for themselves, its a slight clue that they are making stuff up. Some call it lying, i call it being creative with the truth. As they will, but thats Rattati's problem not yours. Right now you're just being trolled. Just let it go man. Let it go. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 543	Posted - 2015.01.19 19:59:00 - [143] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Thats because you dont understand where hes coming from. That 50-0 is stretched over many matches, and only goes to the most skilled pilots who also run with good players to kill off enemy AV People thinking KDR is relevant are the problem, particularly with dropships, which are now plenty easy to scare off or kill. Especially with swarms where they are, since no level of skill lets you avoid them, and they dont exactly take much effort to use. KDR for a pilot is fairly irrelevant and speaks more of the opponents shortcomings than the pilots skill, since even bad AV can keep you running or off target much of the match. Also, i believe he said that back when ships were still over 500k, so avoiding death was the real indicator of a skilled pilot, not how many kills they got over many matches. If a pilot goes 20-0 in the face of coordinated or persistent AV, they outplayed you, pure and simple. But I mean there were terrible number of ads pilots crashing and getting killed without so much as a 2 kdr in those things. If Average was 50 Top end had to be around 200 to 500 kdr to offset the large number of baddies. Also the compression of kills was much denser meaning that 50 kdr in a single match was not unheard of and I have been in a few games where the pilot got up to 40 kills so it is highly feasible. ANd if you want to talk about out numbering; Anti Infantry infantry will begin to outnumber the counter to them the moment a significant portion of players try to swap over to av. if any role could pull this off it would not be so bad but not even the HAV or LAV manages this. Yet when infantry goes 40-0, no one bats an eye. Those pilots are very few and far between, and I bet those were almost exclusively pythons, in matches without rail Incubus in play to keep them busy in the sky, as well as no significant AV presence. While pulling out too much AV will give the advantage to the team who focuses on anti infantry, there are lots of ways to maintain field presence while running AV. You should have Ratatti pull those numbers for ADS and how often they were destroyed (not how often the pilot dies, as these aren't the same) for both Python and Incubus. And you should also acknowledge that with no real anti shield AV, the shielded ship with a weapon designed to easily kill infantry will perform well. I STRONGLY doubt the vast majority of pilots were ever breaking even on ISK 1. Pubs is pubs where MM will give you an enemy with militia AV against a proto stomping squad where the python can go 40-0 and so can infantry 2. Look at PC stats and you will see a very different story and PC includes the best pilots in the game And I bet you dont see people going 40-0 in PC with infantry fits either unless its some supercorp vs. scrubby new to PC co. Yes lets look at PC, where people have sat there hovering in front of my AV fit eating every AFG shot for a full clip, then fly off into the sky at light speed only to come back in a few seconds, rinse and repeat until he manages to hit me enough to kill me. Where I fire on rail tanks over and over, hitting them until Im almost out of ammo until they just blap me one time with a railgun and I die from a single hit. Where I repeatedly get first on my team for WP with only one or two vehicle kills, and the majority of my actual kills comes from me killing scouts trying to shotgun me. Why is it easier for me to kill infantry than it is for me to kill the thing Im supposed to counter? Why is it that every engagement is the vehicle's to lose and all the AV guy can do is hope he hits every shot, and even then the AV player has to make huge mistakes to actually die? Then on the flip side if more than one AV or (god forbid) a tank is firing at that vehicle its probably going to go down super easily and cost a ton of money, this means if there is significant opposition you have to play super careful with your vehicles which encourages unfun campy play. We need to fix this so that vehicles are cheaper so you can risk more and actually have fun, so that one AV player has a real chance to kill a vehicle, so that vehicles arent a dozen times easier to kill with a militia railgun tank that with a proto AV fit. Vehicles need to be completely rebalanced in both survivability (which needs to go down) and cost (which needs to go way down), swarm launchers need to be reworked completely so they require skill to hit with, and there needs to be some better balance between vehicles (railtanks vs. dropships in particular break down rediculously in favor of the railtank, and there needs to be a better infantry slayer turret that should be complete **** against other vehicles). 1. If you cant kill a ADS with a FG then your aim must be off 2. Use an incubus but CCP nerfed the ADS hard 3. Its a large railgun but only has 300m range 4. Yes vehicles are weak 5. Vehicles do not have any decent infantry killing turrets left unless its small missiles 6. Cheaper vehicles are not the answer if they are just as weak as a suit, it doesnt make anything fun
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 307	Posted - 2015.01.19 20:27:00 - [144] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: Some stuff 1. If you cant kill a ADS with a FG then your aim must be off You can fit a python to take 4 AFG hits to the face without having any armor damage. 2. Use an incubus but CCP nerfed the ADS hard I dont know what this is in reply to. 3. Its a large railgun but only has 300m range I also dont know what this is in reply to. 4. Yes vehicles are weak No they arent. But they are un-fun. 5. Vehicles do not have any decent infantry killing turrets left unless its small missiles Small railgun turrets are good (better than missiles on a ground vehicle) and would be absolutely insane if they would fix the weird hit detection or whatever the heck is wrong with them. 6. Cheaper vehicles are not the answer if they are just as weak as a suit, it doesnt make anything fun Why do you think vehicles should be stronger than suits? They would play differently and have different vulnerabilities and capabilities.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2249	Posted - 2015.01.19 20:44:00 - [145] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: tldr I kid I did read: but geeze I see why your sending 30+ mails to each merc. Is the stuff contained in these mails not on the forums or something? Just looks like your sending a lot of waste to new people. I was reading the thread for the lols but now I'm curious. This may come as something of a shock to those of us that that think the whole community hang on our every word here in the forums but the total readership of these hallowed pages comes to less than 10% of our total playerbase and during some weeks less than 5%. Up until the beginning of the last year, most if not all the help pages that I and other D-UNI Members prepared were placed on the forums in our corps private mail thread. However, it was becoming clear that the vast majority of new players never come to the forums. That's a lot of effort wasted. So I copied all that info into a series of emails on my Eve client. Using that I'm able to use a larger font, paragraph it all, colourise to highlight sections. Sent from my Eve client, all that formatting is preserved in the email that the player gets on the Dust client. It's then kept in their inbox as a resource they can refer to until they delete it. Now it's a longer, more involved way around to do it but the effort is reflected in the higher retention rate that players joining D-UNI typically enjoy. On average, 80 out of every 100 new members of D-UNI are still playing the game after a month. That retention rate is many times more than the games normal retention rate so it's worth the effort. If you want a clearer idea of what this process looks like here is a 12 minute video for you to check out that I made for CCP and the CPM as to why I'm clearly nuts. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 352	Posted - 2015.01.19 20:46:00 - [146] - Quote Seriously 8 pages and I'm the only one to give sir man boy props? You guys are some negative nannies. If you'd ever played with sir man boy you'd understand 500 kills is pretty damn good for him. I see that list and can ** post about what I don't know or I can state what is obvious sir man boy does everything you ask for from a CPM this should be an appreciation thread about him not a smear campaign for CPM 1 and a platform for the eve tards on CPM 2 RED LIGHT**
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 307	Posted - 2015.01.19 20:54:00 - [147] - Quote IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Seriously 8 pages and I'm the only one to give sir man boy props? You guys are some negative nannies. If you'd ever played with sir man boy you'd understand 500 kills is pretty damn good for him. I see that list and can ** post about what I don't know or I can state what is obvious sir man boy does everything you ask for from a CPM this should be an appreciation thread about him not a smear campaign for CPM 1 and a platform for the eve tards on CPM 2 Why don't we give him props for breathing and turning food into ** while we're at it? He's playing the game, great. :l
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 352	Posted - 2015.01.19 20:58:00 - [148] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Seriously 8 pages and I'm the only one to give sir man boy props? You guys are some negative nannies. If you'd ever played with sir man boy you'd understand 500 kills is pretty damn good for him. I see that list and can ** post about what I don't know or I can state what is obvious sir man boy does everything you ask for from a CPM this should be an appreciation thread about him not a smear campaign for CPM 1 and a platform for the eve tards on CPM 2 Why don't we give him props for breathing and turning food into while we're at it? He's playing the game, great. :l Christ on a cracker you people are miserable fucks please go back to the winging. You all deserve this game RED LIGHT**
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 307	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:04:00 - [149] - Quote IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Seriously 8 pages and I'm the only one to give sir man boy props? You guys are some negative nannies. If you'd ever played with sir man boy you'd understand 500 kills is pretty damn good for him. I see that list and can ** post about what I don't know or I can state what is obvious sir man boy does everything you ask for from a CPM this should be an appreciation thread about him not a smear campaign for CPM 1 and a platform for the eve tards on CPM 2 Why don't we give him props for breathing and turning food into ** while we're at it? He's playing the game, great. :l Christ on a cracker you people are miserable fucks please go back to the winging. You all deserve this game Whining about people whining, the worst whining of all.
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 353	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:09:00 - [150] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Seriously 8 pages and I'm the only one to give sir man boy props? You guys are some negative nannies. If you'd ever played with sir man boy you'd understand 500 kills is pretty damn good for him. I see that list and can ** post about what I don't know or I can state what is obvious sir man boy does everything you ask for from a CPM this should be an appreciation thread about him not a smear campaign for CPM 1 and a platform for the eve tards on CPM 2 Why don't we give him props for breathing and turning food into while we're at it? He's playing the game, great. :l Christ on a cracker you people are miserable fucks please go back to the winging. You all deserve this game Whining about people whining, the worst whining of all. Not whining stating the what is there sir man boy is a good CPM you are a douche RED LIGHT**

Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 267	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:12:00 - [151] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is still a better CPM than Sorya will -ever- be If Soraya was completely inactive he would still be better than Judge. Judge R thought a 50 K/D flying godmode genocide chariot was balanced It boggles the ******* mind, I tell you. i like how the number gets bigger every time
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 308	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:26:00 - [152] - Quote IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Seriously 8 pages and I'm the only one to give sir man boy props? You guys are some negative nannies. If you'd ever played with sir man boy you'd understand 500 kills is pretty damn good for him. I see that list and can ** post about what I don't know or I can state what is obvious sir man boy does everything you ask for from a CPM this should be an appreciation thread about him not a smear campaign for CPM 1 and a platform for the eve tards on CPM 2 Why don't we give him props for breathing and turning food into ** while we're at it? He's playing the game, great. :l Christ on a cracker you people are miserable fucks please go back to the winging. You all deserve this game Whining about people whining, the worst whining of all. Not whining stating the what is there sir man boy is a good CPM you are a douche I didnt say he was a bad one, and if you get to determine if you were whining or not then I wasnt whining either, so there. This is fun!
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 355	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:31:00 - [153] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Vesta Opalus said ... Bunch of douchy stuff! then stabbed himself in the ** to feel better. RED LIGHT**
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 308	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:31:00 - [154] - Quote IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Vesta Opalus said ... Bunch of douchy stuff! then stabbed himself in the **** to feel better. Still mad about nothing.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18364	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:32:00 - [155] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: So IWS, youll have no issues showing me cold hard data that those pilots arent the best of the best, and everyone who hops into an ADS pulls those numbers consistently. I eagerly await your data that youve compiled proving that randoms go ham in ADS all the time. I did not nerf the ADS nor had any involvement in it because nobody asked me for help at all. My assessment was the survivability was too high and the fire power was not an issue at the time but never ran the numbers scenarios or environment checks (not that I have the isk to do that unlike the other field testing.) This was an observation from an impartial observer that has on average managed to help drag down the ADS KDR average to 50 instead of raising it to that high. Number one cause of death; myself.... CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18364	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:34:00 - [156] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is still a better CPM than Sorya will -ever- be If Soraya was completely inactive he would still be better than Judge. Judge R thought a 50 K/D flying godmode genocide chariot was balanced It boggles the ***** mind, I tell you. Judge's point was also about how that KDR is not the best stat to use when ISK is considered Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:** 2) over 10 matches say 15 kills a match with a death every 3 matches. That's a 50 KDR- ish (in a dropship which I do not use all the time so game stats are not relational). P and L that is WORSE than a 39 000 ISK suit amarr assualt over the same match range, with a 10 kill per match rate and a 3 death per match. That amarr would have a 3.3 KDR Actually based on Isk metrics ADS should been 7 million isk a pop based on performance alone so there is that as well. I for one would have never agreed to that price tag. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Balistyc Farshot The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 36	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:36:00 - [157] - Quote IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Seriously 8 pages and I'm the only one to give sir man boy props? You guys are some negative nannies. If you'd ever played with sir man boy you'd understand 500 kills is pretty damn good for him. I see that list and can ** post about what I don't know or I can state what is obvious sir man boy does everything you ask for from a CPM this should be an appreciation thread about him not a smear campaign for CPM 1 and a platform for the eve tards on CPM 2 Why don't we give him props for breathing and turning food into while we're at it? He's playing the game, great. :l Christ on a cracker you people are miserable fucks please go back to the winging. You all deserve this game Whining about people whining, the worst whining of all. Not whining stating the what is there sir man boy is a good CPM you are a douche Ok, I seriously was laughing at this chain. Especially the comments about giving him an award for turning food into . Gotta love the hate. Guys, what if he is a logi? My best logis get 0 kills and 3k WP. Give the guy a break. All the hate is just going to off the CPMs not drive them to action you want. I really hope they take my idea and roll in some officer exclusive suits and troll some of these people in game. That would earn my respect. If forum trolls won't listen to a carrot, give them the stick right up the *. Heavy with a massive bullet hose called Lola (Burst HMG).
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1474	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:50:00 - [158] - Quote I'll give the CPM the benefit of the doubt, with the exception of Judge, who is conspicuous by his absence and presence on Destiny. How much time do you think Phil Jackson spent playing the game when he coached the Bulls. My guess is zero but he definitely knew the game. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1474	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:51:00 - [159] - Quote It would be good PR if the CPM squadded up and challenged other teams though. Because, that's why.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7908	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:55:00 - [160] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Who do we talk to if we feel the CPM isn't advocating or representing us fairly / in a manner we'd like? The CPM2 ballot box. Aeon Amadi wrote: Here's why I'm not confident in the current CPM. Sorry I nerfed your class. (Not sorry./Wasn't even me./I like sniping too.) Can be as sarcastic as much as necessary to make yourself feel better. When you completely ignore specialist feedback and are acting arrogant and egotistical, you aren't representing the game and the players who (potentially) voted for you. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6771	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:59:00 - [161] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Can be as sarcastic as much as necessary to make yourself feel better. When you completely ignore specialist feedback and are acting arrogant and egotistical, you aren't representing the game and the players who (potentially) voted for you. Specialists have an agenda to keep their weapon/dropsuit/vehicle/playstyle in its current state or better. A sniper rifle balance wouldn't even be on the table unless Rattati saw it was overperforming or somehow a high-reward low-risk playstyle. If it got nerfed then it needed a nerf. Sorry, not sorry Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1474	Posted - 2015.01.19 22:02:00 - [162] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is still a better CPM than Sorya will -ever- be If Soraya was completely inactive he would still be better than Judge. Judge R thought a 50 K/D flying godmode genocide chariot was balanced It boggles the ******* mind, I tell you. Judge's point was also about how that KDR is not the best stat to use when ISK is considered [quote=Judge Rhadamanthus] 2) over 10 matches say 15 kills a match with a death every 3 matches. That's a 50 KDR- ish (in a dropship which I do not use all the time so game stats are not relational). P and L that is WORSE than a 39 000 ISK suit amarr assualt over the same match range, with a 10 kill per match rate and a 3 death per match. That amarr would have a 3.3 KDR Yes, Judge perpetuated the ISK argument that vehicle users often use. A proto weapon cost 40X a standard weapon, this does not mean that it should be 40X as effective or raise your kdr 40X to be "ISK equivalent". A pilot or tanker starts out i a dropsuit the same as I do. We already start out at equal, they then add a vehicle, which is a big advantage and which they can discard without dying. This is a much better ISK value than an upgrade from STD to Proto. Because, that's why.
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 267	Posted - 2015.01.19 22:41:00 - [163] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Yes, Judge perpetuated the ISK argument that vehicle users often use. A proto weapon cost 40X a standard weapon, this does not mean that it should be 40X as effective or raise your kdr 40X to be "ISK equivalent". A pilot or tanker starts out i a dropsuit the same as I do. We already start out at equal, they then add a vehicle, which is a big advantage and which they can discard without dying. This is a much better ISK value than an upgrade from STD to Proto. He was asked what his k/d was (in his working together always proto wearing squad), not what it should be
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5477	Posted - 2015.01.19 23:16:00 - [164] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Can be as sarcastic as much as necessary to make yourself feel better. When you completely ignore specialist feedback and are acting arrogant and egotistical, you aren't representing the game and the players who (potentially) voted for you. Specialists have an agenda to keep their weapon/dropsuit/vehicle/playstyle in its current state or better. A sniper rifle balance wouldn't even be on the table unless Rattati saw it was overperforming or somehow a high-reward low-risk playstyle. If it got nerfed then it needed a nerf. Sorry, not sorry Specialist feedback is great, and some of the rest of the suggestions Aeon mentioned in the conversation (the part he didn't feel like sharing) were pretty good, if perhaps taxing in dev time to benefit a single role. But it's also key to bear in mind that specialists do, by their nature, have a biased agenda. And when someone is advocating that a weapon that was almost never destroyed but easily able to farm kills was not overpowered, you can safely write off that opinion. ;) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7909	Posted - 2015.01.19 23:19:00 - [165] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Can be as sarcastic as much as necessary to make yourself feel better. When you completely ignore specialist feedback and are acting arrogant and egotistical, you aren't representing the game and the players who (potentially) voted for you. Specialists have an agenda to keep their weapon/dropsuit/vehicle/playstyle in its current state or better. A sniper rifle balance wouldn't even be on the table unless Rattati saw it was overperforming or somehow a high-reward low-risk playstyle. If it got nerfed then it needed a nerf. Sorry, not sorry Except the feedback given by actual snipers who saw problems with the design was completely ignored. They buffed headshot damage considerably but in return nerfed the range and scopes. The problem with this (not that I honestly expect anyone to actually listen past that first sentence) was that it did absolutely nothing to redline snipers, which the community massively supported the range nerfs for. All it did was make it -harder- to kill redline snipers because counter-snipers now had to move up even closer, putting themselves further at risk. The community wanted less redline snipers and supported changes to make it harder to kill them, conversely of any changes that actually affected redline snipers. Explain to me how that contributes further to a high-risk/low-reward playstyle..? Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7909	Posted - 2015.01.19 23:22:00 - [166] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Can be as sarcastic as much as necessary to make yourself feel better. When you completely ignore specialist feedback and are acting arrogant and egotistical, you aren't representing the game and the players who (potentially) voted for you. Specialists have an agenda to keep their weapon/dropsuit/vehicle/playstyle in its current state or better. A sniper rifle balance wouldn't even be on the table unless Rattati saw it was overperforming or somehow a high-reward low-risk playstyle. If it got nerfed then it needed a nerf. Sorry, not sorry Specialist feedback is great, and some of the rest of the suggestions Aeon mentioned in the conversation (the part he didn't feel like sharing) were pretty good, if perhaps taxing in dev time to benefit a single role. But it's also key to bear in mind that specialists do, by their nature, have a biased agenda. And when someone is advocating that a weapon that was almost never destroyed but easily able to farm kills was not overpowered, you can safely write off that opinion. ;) Please copy and paste where I was suggesting that the sniper rifle be a weapon that was easily able to farm kills. I'd like to see where and when I said this. EDIT: And no, the "rest of the suggestions" I mentioned would not "benefit a single role". They would be intended for that role, absolutely, but much in the same way Cloaking devices are intended for Scouts and Repair Tools are intended for Logis they can be used by anyone with an equipment slot... Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5477	Posted - 2015.01.19 23:25:00 - [167] - Quote Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7909	Posted - 2015.01.19 23:35:00 - [168] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. #StillNotVariableZoom #WhatWorksForYouDoesn'tAlwaysWorkForMe #HowCanAScopeBeOP On the discussion of maps, what range would snipers 'realistically' be sniping from, in your superior opinion...? EDIT: Also, if I post in the thread about AR's and why they're not being used more, are my opinions even going to matter or is my opinion too bias because I'm a specialist? Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18366	Posted - 2015.01.19 23:45:00 - [169] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. You read wrong. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5477	Posted - 2015.01.19 23:59:00 - [170] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. You read wrong. I will ask your help interpreting what I read wrong later then. :/ Because I was pretty confident. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 308	Posted - 2015.01.20 00:11:00 - [171] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. #StillNotVariableZoom #WhatWorksForYouDoesn'tAlwaysWorkForMe #HowCanAScopeBeOP On the discussion of maps, what range would snipers 'realistically' be sniping from, in your superior opinion...? EDIT: Also, if I post in the thread about AR's and why they're not being used more, are my opinions even going to matter or is my opinion too bias because I'm a specialist? Additional Edit: As a specialist, what can I give feedback on that actually gets taken into account if the things I a specialize with/am familiar with are too bias and I'm not knowledgeable enough to give feedback on the things I'm not? Yet additional edit: What's the statistics on sniper rifles then and now? What suits are using them? How often are they used in competitive game modes like PC? What are the numbers on how well they're performing compared to everything else? Which variants are the most used and why? Can you answer any of those questions or are you just blindly saying that 'x' is OP because you dislike it and don't think that 'y' should be doing it? Scope was OP at the longer ranges the sniper rifle was effective at because it gave you a clear view of the guys you are shooting at even in the 500-600 meter range (as opposed to the other rifles which shows you a head the size of a single pixel at those ranges) I disagree that countersniping is worse off, one shot from a charge sniper will kill damn near anything, before you had to hope the other guy was lagging or stupid to actually kill him before he moved behind cover. I would like some variable zoom though!
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1834	Posted - 2015.01.20 01:35:00 - [172] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. #StillNotVariableZoom #WhatWorksForYouDoesn'tAlwaysWorkForMe #HowCanAScopeBeOP Went all twitter on it hahaha. XD You did however forget #Hype TLDR : Last Dust Montage
saxonmish T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 934	Posted - 2015.01.20 01:43:00 - [173] - Quote Vote sax for cpm, yaay :D SAXON ON A MISH - My Youtube Channel :)
Helghus Resther Heisen Republic 74	Posted - 2015.01.20 01:43:00 - [174] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. Not sure what makes the scope of a sniper rifle, or any weapon, overpowered. The winner of this war will not prove who's right; only, who's left.
Helghus Resther Heisen Republic 74	Posted - 2015.01.20 01:45:00 - [175] - Quote Helghus Resther wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. Not sure what makes the scope of a sniper rifle, or any weapon, overpowered. The winner of this war will not prove who's right; only, who's left.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18367	Posted - 2015.01.20 02:39:00 - [176] - Quote Helghus Resther wrote: Helghus Resther wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. Not sure what makes the scope of a sniper rifle, or any weapon, overpowered. Cool that means deleting the scope on sniper rifle shouldn't be a problem now. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Yeeeuuuupppp Random Gunz 808	Posted - 2015.01.20 02:59:00 - [177] - Quote saxonmish wrote: Vote sax for cpm, yaay :D Idk i think I'm gonna vote Duna, you're a close second though xP See you on the flip side brother PSN: GMANCASH Come on innnnn
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5014	Posted - 2015.01.20 03:39:00 - [178] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Here's why I'm not confident in the current CPM. the current CPM or the one you quoted? We each have individual strengths Aeon. ;) Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail Final's week sucks :'(
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7912	Posted - 2015.01.20 03:39:00 - [179] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I will ask your help interpreting what I read wrong later then. :/ Because I was pretty confident. Didn't you tell me you used to snipe 'a lot'? How could you not see this change..? What's worse is this now betrays the anecdotal evidence given by this thread: That you don't need to play the kittening game to have knowledge of it. Vesta Opalus wrote: Scope was OP at the longer ranges the sniper rifle was effective at because it gave you a clear view of the guys you are shooting at even in the 500-600 meter range (as opposed to the other rifles which shows you a head the size of a single pixel at those ranges) I disagree that countersniping is worse off, one shot from a charge sniper will kill damn near anything, before you had to hope the other guy was lagging or stupid to actually kill him before he moved behind cover. I would like some variable zoom though! So, it was OP because it allowed the sniper rifle to fire at ranges that it was originally meant to engage..? Wow. Who'd have thought that would actually make it so viable. (For the record, scopes meant for longer ranges also mean that they're less effective at -LESSER- ranges, but no-one complains about that). Countersniping -is- worse off and using the Charge Sniper Rifle's damage as evidence as to why it's not is about as much of a stretch as I can imagine. If the redline sniper is 450m away, using a vanilla sniper rifle, and you're using a Charge sniper Rifle.... That means you have to get within 400m of him to do any damage at all. All the while: a) His teammates can freely engage you. b) He can take a few steps backward and get out of your range. c) He's already been shooting at you for 50m. d) He's already ready to fire, while you have to get set up and ready to go. No. The scope is not OP because it allows the sniper to engage at his weapon's intended range. The Thale's -MAY HAVE BEEN OP- for other factors but being able to shoot at it's range is surely not one of them. Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Cool that means deleting the scope on sniper rifle shouldn't be a problem now. Aiming with it should require the use of the mk. 1 bio-optics. Not only hyperbole but going in the exact opposite direction that the argument is presenting. Variable scopes would allow snipers to be able to -actually do their job- whereas an "OP Scope" is considered allowing them to engage at longer ranges with any sort of reasonable expectations. Removing scopes because someone says they're not sure what makes them OP is basically making a weapon completely useless when the playerbase is wanting them to be more viable for the weapon in question. But what do I know, I actually play the game. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7912	Posted - 2015.01.20 03:42:00 - [180] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Here's why I'm not confident in the current CPM. the current CPM or the one you quoted? We each have individual strengths Aeon. ;) I realize that. Shame that none of those strengths involve actually communicating with players outside of personal social cliques or trolling the community on the forums. Even more of a shame that I feel like I have to wait for the CPM2 to come around to be able to talk to anyone that actually cares about anyone's opinion other than their own. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback

Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 309	Posted - 2015.01.20 03:59:00 - [181] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Scope was OP at the longer ranges the sniper rifle was effective at because it gave you a clear view of the guys you are shooting at even in the 500-600 meter range (as opposed to the other rifles which shows you a head the size of a single pixel at those ranges) I disagree that countersniping is worse off, one shot from a charge sniper will kill damn near anything, before you had to hope the other guy was lagging or stupid to actually kill him before he moved behind cover. I would like some variable zoom though! So, it was OP because it allowed the sniper rifle to fire at ranges that it was originally meant to engage..? Wow. Who'd have thought that would actually make it so viable. (For the record, scopes meant for longer ranges also mean that they're less effective at -LESSER- ranges, but no-one complains about that). Countersniping -is- worse off and using the Charge Sniper Rifle's damage as evidence as to why it's not is about as much of a stretch as I can imagine. If the redline sniper is 450m away, using a vanilla sniper rifle, and you're using a Charge sniper Rifle.... That means you have to get within 400m of him to do any damage at all. All the while: a) His teammates can freely engage you. b) He can take a few steps backward and get out of your range. c) He's already been shooting at you for 50m. d) He's already ready to fire, while you have to get set up and ready to go. No. The scope is not OP because it allows the sniper to engage at his weapon's intended range. The Thale's -MAY HAVE BEEN OP- for other factors but being able to shoot at it's range is surely not one of them. I agree that the scope was fine for the range of the rifle, and other rifles should probably have been more like the thales instead of the thales getting nerfed, but balance is a relative thing, and compared to the other sniper rifles, the thales scope was OP. Im not sure why you are being seen by the other sniper when counter sniping, due to sway mechanics and shifty aiming its really stupid to even try and make a shot if you suspect the enemy sniper sees you, regardless of the rifle you are using. Just reposition until you can get him without him seeing you. And as for enemy infantry, yeah its a problem sometimes, but even in the worst pub stomps Ive ever seen Ive still managed to sneak around all the crap to get at a sniper. Just damp up a scout suit, its not as difficult as you are making it out to be.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5014	Posted - 2015.01.20 04:04:00 - [182] - Quote I have not been playing dust for about 40 days now. I've rarely played video games at all aside from pixel dungeon (it's a fun free roguelike on the play store for those interested) and dragon age rarely. I mainly use email and skype to keep up these days and have not abandoned or cut ties with anyone. Kane can confirm I spent about an hour just the other day debating the merits of fixed timers in PC among other things. This is an inopportune time for me to be judged on not playing but when you get caught with your pants down some explanation is required I feel so here's mine. I have more hours on this game than any other cpm member. I actually had (haven't checked in some time) more kills in the game than 4 of my fellow CPM members combined. I may well have dropped out of the top 250 for all time kills by now. I had to stop playing for 2 reasons lately: 1.) finals, holidays, and then now my final semester. This is all much more time intensive this year as opposed to last year when I was in the thick of it fighting to establish my newly created corp and helping Outer Heaven in the Winter War as it is now remembered. 2.) One of my puppies (Sirius) became life threateningly sick and it ended up costing me an exorbitant amount of money to save his life. This has been a very trying time in my life, one I was ill prepared for after having enjoyed christmas, after having returned a lot of gifts i'm still attempting to pay down 4k worth of debt incurred to say nothing of the excruciating damper the whole affair had on the break. Here's a pic after the surgery. Yeah...very upsetting. So I do apologize and hope you might find it in each of you to forgive my heretofore unexplained absence from playing. I recognize this may be a tad bit personal and this may not excuse me regardless with any of you. However, there it is. The cat is out of the bag, so to speak. I have plans to return to dust as soon as I can. And in the meantime I am focused on attempting to fulfill my duties I have been entrusted (I freely admit I have so much to learn and improve on) and pray the community would not have me hand in my resignation despite my inadequacies of late. Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail Final's week sucks :'(
ReGnYuM Red Star. 3440	Posted - 2015.01.20 04:09:00 - [183] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I have not been playing dust for about 40 days now. I've rarely played video games at all aside from pixel dungeon (it's a fun free roguelike on the play store for those interested) and dragon age rarely. I mainly use email and skype to keep up these days and have not abandoned or cut ties with anyone. Kane can confirm I spent about an hour just the other day debating the merits of fixed timers in PC among other things. This is an inopportune time for me to be judged on not playing but when you get caught with your pants down some explanation is required I feel so here's mine. I have more hours on this game than any other cpm member. I actually had (haven't checked in some time) more kills in the game than 4 of my fellow CPM members combined. I may well have dropped out of the top 250 for all time kills by now. I had to stop playing for 2 reasons lately: 1.) finals, holidays, and then now my final semester. This is all much more time intensive this year as opposed to last year when I was in the thick of it fighting to establish my newly created corp and helping Outer Heaven in the Winter War as it is now remembered. 2.) One of my puppies (Sirius) became life threateningly sick and it ended up costing me an exorbitant amount of money to save his life. This has been a very trying time in my life, one I was ill prepared for after having enjoyed christmas, after having returned a lot of gifts i'm still attempting to pay down 4k worth of debt incurred to say nothing of the excruciating damper the whole affair had on the break. Here's a pic after the surgery. Yeah...very upsetting. So I do apologize and hope you might find it in each of you to forgive my heretofore unexplained absence from playing. I recognize this may be a tad bit personal and this may not excuse me regardless with any of you. However, there it is. The cat is out of the bag, so to speak. I have plans to return to dust as soon as I can. And in the meantime I am focused on attempting to fulfill my duties I have been entrusted (I freely admit I have so much to learn and improve on) and pray the community would not have me hand in my resignation despite my inadequacies of late. Zatara we all love you <3 <3 <3
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5014	Posted - 2015.01.20 04:13:00 - [184] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Here's why I'm not confident in the current CPM. the current CPM or the one you quoted? We each have individual strengths Aeon. ;) I realize that. Shame that none of those strengths involve actually communicating with players outside of personal social cliques or trolling the community on the forums. Even more of a shame that I feel like I have to wait for the CPM2 to come around to be able to talk to anyone that actually cares about anyone's opinion other than their own. sigh Well this conversation is going places with an attitude like that. I would assert I have quite an open mind...indeed I think anyone who knows me particularly well is aware of how genuinely and often I am open to changing my opinion. I posted openly in my campaign thread that for me conviction is a destination. I care deeply about others opinions. And as I've said elsewhere on these forums many times...even when a person asserts some hairbrained idea (for example to remove all vehicles...or to create different queue's for differing numbers of point on skirmish match maps) I will either try to engage the idea and reason together...or I find that it's not a waste of time at all because I can see a different concern that's prompted such an idea as a solution...or the idea serves as inspiration to a brand new idea. I love talking with all players. I welcome their feedback and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone serving on the CPM who would claim the contrary. Indeed, I notice threads in direct contradiction to the assertion that the CPM do not care for opinions outside their 'cliques' unless you would fathom defending the idea the entirety of the forums are a clique. But as always...at least one of us will openly admit they may well be wrong. Goodnight Aeon. Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail Final's week sucks :'(
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7913	Posted - 2015.01.20 05:08:00 - [185] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Here's why I'm not confident in the current CPM. the current CPM or the one you quoted? We each have individual strengths Aeon. ;) I realize that. Shame that none of those strengths involve actually communicating with players outside of personal social cliques or trolling the community on the forums. Even more of a shame that I feel like I have to wait for the CPM2 to come around to be able to talk to anyone that actually cares about anyone's opinion other than their own. sigh Well this conversation is going places with an attitude like that. I would assert I have quite an open mind...indeed I think anyone who knows me particularly well is aware of how genuinely and often I am open to changing my opinion. I posted openly in my campaign thread that for me conviction is a destination. I care deeply about others opinions. And as I've said elsewhere on these forums many times...even when a person asserts some hairbrained idea (for example to remove all vehicles...or to create different queue's for differing numbers of point on skirmish match maps) I will either try to engage the idea and reason together...or I find that it's not a waste of time at all because I can see a different concern that's prompted such an idea as a solution...or the idea serves as inspiration to a brand new idea. I love talking with all players. I welcome their feedback and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone serving on the CPM who would claim the contrary. Indeed, I notice threads in direct contradiction to the assertion that the CPM do not care for opinions outside their 'cliques' unless you would fathom defending the idea the entirety of the forums are a clique. But as always...at least one of us will openly admit they may well be wrong. Goodnight Aeon. In retrospect I might have come off a bit unfairly toward you, specifically, Zatara. I won't make excuses toward that and I apologize for grouping you in with the rest of the uhh... unsavory characters in the CPM. As dubious as I am to admit it, CEOPyrex put it best when he said that I get easily frustrated when I don't have justifiable answers to things. Even worse when I feel like I'm not being listened to or when I'm being trolled. IMO, Hans Jagerblizen was the best CPM and since he left I kinda feel like there's no-one to actually have those engaging conversations with as to why something can or cannot work, what should or should not be implemented, etc. It's a really pain in the kitten to try and hit someone up on Skype and never get a response. It's even worse to come here on the forums and be met with a stonewall barrier that basically says, "Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong" and "blah blah blah bias" and Soraya isn't the only one who does it. IMO, a perfect CPM representative engages with players even when the idea sounds hair brained. They read between the lines of what a person is trying to say rather than what their saying. They don't waste time trying to argue as to why it's a bad idea but instead try to find reasons why it's a good idea. Admittedly, Zatara, you're more reasonable than most when it comes to that but you sort of just.... disappeared. But anyway. EDIT: It also helps to have some semblance of a kittening clue as to what the hell players are talking about instead of pretending like you know what you're talking about.... but this doesn't usually apply to you, Zatara. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5014	Posted - 2015.01.20 05:38:00 - [186] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Zatara we all love you <3 <3 <3 I miss playing with you homie <3 Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail Final's week sucks :'(
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5014	Posted - 2015.01.20 05:48:00 - [187] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: In retrospect I might have come off a bit unfairly toward you, specifically, Zatara. I won't make excuses toward that and I apologize for grouping you in with the rest of the uhh... unsavory characters in the CPM. As dubious as I am to admit it, CEOPyrex put it best when he said that I get easily frustrated when I don't have justifiable answers to things. Even worse when I feel like I'm not being listened to or when I'm being trolled. IMO, Hans Jagerblizen was the best CPM and since he left I kinda feel like there's no-one to actually have those engaging conversations with as to why something can or cannot work, what should or should not be implemented, etc. It's a really pain in the kitten to try and hit someone up on Skype and never get a response. It's even worse to come here on the forums and be met with a stonewall barrier that basically says, "Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong" and "blah blah blah bias" and Soraya isn't the only one who does it. IMO, a perfect CPM representative engages with players even when the idea sounds hair brained. They read between the lines of what a person is trying to say rather than what their saying. They don't waste time trying to argue as to why it's a bad idea but instead try to find reasons why it's a good idea. Admittedly, Zatara, you're more reasonable than most when it comes to that but you sort of just.... disappeared. But anyway. EDIT: It also helps to have some semblance of a kittening clue as to what the hell players are talking about instead of pretending like you know what you're talking about.... but this doesn't usually apply to you, Zatara. I try my very hardest not to pretend I know something if I don't. I've been wrong more times than right, but I hope that each time i'm wrong i can learn from it and be more correct in the future. And I love stimulating conversation...I do hope that in the future when you message me i'll be around my friend. And I apologize for accusing you unjustly. My absence went without a public explanation. And it has been my fault for not providing the explanation I hope serves adequately as an excuse. I love listening to harebrained ideas as previously posted. If I did not communicate properly even if I have gut reactions I am ALWAYS enthralled to hear a person out. I see we mentioned sniping and I actually still have an open invitation to symbiotic if I manage to ever get him back on dust to show me what i've been missing out on. We've had extensive conversations and concluded them with 100% agreement based on mutual respect for differing opinions and a willingness to hear the other person out...despite both of us being guilty of being long winded at times. :P I digress. Again, I'm very appreciative of the compliment and hope I will soon be able to engage the community again on the level I did prior to the holidays Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail Final's week sucks :'(
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18368	Posted - 2015.01.20 06:12:00 - [188] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I have not been playing dust for about 40 days now. I've rarely played video games at all aside from pixel dungeon (it's a fun free roguelike on the play store for those interested) and dragon age rarely. I mainly use email and skype to keep up these days and have not abandoned or cut ties with anyone. Kane can confirm I spent about an hour just the other day debating the merits of fixed timers in PC among other things. This is an inopportune time for me to be judged on not playing but when you get caught with your pants down some explanation is required I feel so here's mine. I have more hours on this game than any other cpm member. I actually had (haven't checked in some time) more kills in the game than 4 of my fellow CPM members combined. I may well have dropped out of the top 250 for all time kills by now. I had to stop playing for 2 reasons lately: 1.) finals, holidays, and then now my final semester. This is all much more time intensive this year as opposed to last year when I was in the thick of it fighting to establish my newly created corp and helping Outer Heaven in the Winter War as it is now remembered. 2.) One of my puppies (Sirius) became life threateningly sick and it ended up costing me an exorbitant amount of money to save his life. This has been a very trying time in my life, one I was ill prepared for after having enjoyed christmas, after having returned a lot of gifts i'm still attempting to pay down 4k worth of debt incurred to say nothing of the excruciating damper the whole affair had on the break. Here's a pic after the surgery. Yeah...very upsetting. So I do apologize and hope you might find it in each of you to forgive my heretofore unexplained absence from playing. I recognize this may be a tad bit personal and this may not excuse me regardless with any of you. However, there it is. The cat is out of the bag, so to speak. I have plans to return to dust as soon as I can. And in the meantime I am focused on attempting to fulfill my duties I have been entrusted (I freely admit I have so much to learn and improve on) and pray the community would not have me hand in my resignation despite my inadequacies of late. I will confirm that Zatara has been despite all the things going on his end a diligent CPM member. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14519	Posted - 2015.01.20 06:14:00 - [189] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: However, there it is. The cat is out of the bag, so to speak. Finally, FFS I've been stuck in there for weeks! Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 2200	Posted - 2015.01.20 06:37:00 - [190] - Quote I apologize for calling you out Zatara, had no idea about your puppy. Best of luck with his recovery. Delt for CPM2 CPM1 MISSION : FAILED Moss-delt on skype

Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5017	Posted - 2015.01.20 06:43:00 - [191] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: I apologize for calling you out Zatara, had no idea about your puppy. Best of luck with his recovery. And that wasn't your fault, my post was a few weeks coming. Thank you for the kick in the butt that forced me to sit down and type it all up. I'm sorry as well Moss, but happy now we're on the same page. Happy hunting and hope that I'll be able to get back out there soon(not TM). Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail Final's week sucks :'(
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5480	Posted - 2015.01.20 07:44:00 - [192] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I will ask your help interpreting what I read wrong later then. :/ Because I was pretty confident. Didn't you tell me you used to snipe 'a lot'? How could you not see this change..? Actually still think I'm right. Trying to get IWS to tell me what I'm seeing wrong on the spreadsheet. Snipers got a buff, man. Aeon Amadi wrote: Even more of a shame that I feel like I have to wait for the CPM2 to come around to be able to talk to anyone that actually cares about anyone's opinion other than their own. If nobody on CPM2 listens to you either will you start to realize part of the CPM's job is to filter out bad feedback and that your feedback was bad when it was ignored? Or will it just mean two bad CPMs were elected? As irritating as your attitude is, you have some good ideas buried in there, and yes, I do read your posts and try to dig them out. But I'm not going to apologize for disregarding blatantly ridiculous suggestions with a clear role bias. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7916	Posted - 2015.01.20 08:20:00 - [193] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I will ask your help interpreting what I read wrong later then. :/ Because I was pretty confident. Didn't you tell me you used to snipe 'a lot'? How could you not see this change..? Actually still think I'm right. Trying to get IWS to tell me what I'm seeing wrong on the spreadsheet. Snipers got a buff, man. Aeon Amadi wrote: Even more of a shame that I feel like I have to wait for the CPM2 to come around to be able to talk to anyone that actually cares about anyone's opinion other than their own. If nobody on CPM2 listens to you either will you start to realize part of the CPM's job is to filter out bad feedback and that your feedback was bad when it was ignored? Or will it just mean two bad CPMs were elected? As irritating as your attitude is, you have some good ideas buried in there, and yes, I do read your posts and try to dig them out. But I'm not going to apologize for disregarding blatantly ridiculous suggestions with a clear role bias. Again, what role does it play..? There aren't any ways that a Sniper can benefit it's team besides equipment disposal and the killing of high value targets. Range reduction further encourages redline sniping for reasons mentioned. Without communication (something a sniper can't really do in PC when comms need to be clear) that 'role' serves literally no purpose. Proposals to influence team-based gameplay are considered dev taxing and anything else is considered 'bad feedback'. I've asked before but never received an answer: What are snipers supposed to do -OTHER- than shoot from the redline if there is nothing anyone is willing to do to change it? And as for 'disregarding blatantly ridiculous suggestions with a clear role bias' maybe you should actually read what people are saying instead of writing it off as bias... Symbiotic's suggestions on the Charge sniper were far from over-powering and there isn't anything 'bias' about wanting hit detection that actually works. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback

CCP Frame C C P C C P Alliance 5255	Posted - 2015.01.20 09:20:00 - [194] - Quote This thread - which even in its less-derailed form should not be allowed to continue - is now locked. I will echo once again Rattati's reply here and say that we are constantly talking with the CPM in addition to our daily tasks that also cover reading all your feedback right here on our forums. CPM's activity stretches far beyond their play time or number of kills in game - and that also covers their community interaction, discussion and meetings with us - and that within itself is in some ways even more valuable to us. If you wish to discuss anything specific further - please use The Council's Chamber forum section located here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=1334 Thank you. CCP Frame



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