So, help me understand, one average pilot needs to be taken down by multiple coordinated AV infantry? Yeah no This is why Judge R's attitude toward AV / ADS balance made him a laughingstock.

Judge is still a better CPM than Sorya will -ever- be

Hopefully the next CPM will have someone that will actually defend vehicles.

Lets see how much time you have to play if you manage to get on CPM2.

I'm sorry

Apology accepted.

Thats because you dont understand where hes coming from. That 50-0 is stretched over many matches, and only goes to the most skilled pilots who also run with good players to kill off enemy AV

People thinking KDR is relevant are the problem, particularly with dropships, which are now plenty easy to scare off or kill. Especially with swarms where they are, since no level of skill lets you avoid them, and they dont exactly take much effort to use.
KDR for a pilot is fairly irrelevant and speaks more of the opponents shortcomings than the pilots skill, since even bad AV can keep you running or off target much of the match. Also, i believe he said that back when ships were still over 500k, so avoiding death was the real indicator of a skilled pilot, not how many kills they got over many matches.

If a pilot goes 20-0 in the face of coordinated or persistent AV, they outplayed you, pure and simple.

Thank you

Lets see how much time you have to play if you manage to get on CPM2.

But I mean there were terrible number of ads pilots crashing and getting killed without so much as a 2 kdr in those things.

If Average was 50

Top end had to be around 200 to 500 kdr to offset the large number of baddies. Also the compression of kills was much denser meaning that 50 kdr in a single match was not unheard of and I have been in a few games where the pilot got up to 40 kills so it is highly feasible. ANd if you want to talk about out numbering; Anti Infantry infantry will begin to outnumber the counter to them the moment a significant portion of players try to swap over to av.

if any role could pull this off it would not be so bad but not even the HAV or LAV manages this.

Yet when infantry goes 40-0, no one bats an eye. Those pilots are very few and far between, and I bet those were almost exclusively pythons, in matches without rail Incubus in play to keep them busy in the sky, as well as no significant AV presence. While pulling out too much AV will give the advantage to the team who focuses on anti infantry, there are lots of ways to maintain field presence while running AV.

You should have Ratatti pull those numbers for ADS and how often they were destroyed (not how often the pilot dies, as these aren't the same) for both Python and Incubus. And you should also acknowledge that with no real anti shield AV, the shielded ship with a weapon designed to easily kill infantry will perform well.

I STRONGLY doubt the vast majority of pilots were ever breaking even on ISK

Come on, I'm a nobody and I've got over 2000 kills for the month.
And I work a full time job.
These guys needed to step it up

I think this is the most we've heard from the cpm and CCP in one thread this month as well.

Yet when infantry goes 40-0, no one bats an eye. Those pilots are very few and far between, and I bet those were almost exclusively pythons, in matches without rail Incubus in play to keep them busy in the sky, as well as no significant AV presence. While pulling out too much AV will give the advantage to the team who focuses on anti infantry, there are lots of ways to maintain field presence while running AV.

You should have Ratatti pull those numbers for ADS and how often they were destroyed (not how often the pilot dies, as these aren't the same) for both Python and Incubus. And you should also acknowledge that with no real anti shield AV, the shielded ship with a weapon designed to easily kill infantry will perform well.

I STRONGLY doubt the vast majority of pilots were ever breaking even on ISK

Yet when infantry goes 40-0, no one bats an eye. Those pilots are very few and far between, and I bet those were almost exclusively pythons, in matches without rail Incubus in play to keep them busy in the sky, as well as no significant AV presence. While pulling out too much AV will give the advantage to the team who focuses on anti infantry, there are lots of ways to maintain field presence while running AV.

You should have Ratatti pull those numbers for ADS and how often they were destroyed (not how often the pilot dies, as these aren't the same) for both Python and Incubus. And you should also acknowledge that with no real anti shield AV, the shielded ship with a weapon designed to easily kill infantry will perform well.

I STRONGLY doubt the vast majority of pilots were ever breaking even on ISK

Started this little Gem shortly after I was made aware of this thread.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e3SsfC2OJc2f4xBUDtUADWxvpKF7sVwn0kfuwXVxx4c/edit#gid=177997361

Insofar not liking one of the proposals has some weak things going for it.

1. Awful numbers uprising is

2. Chrome was so much better

A lot of the model numbers being given to me are based off chrome. There are some messed up **** back then. Though trying to get chrome numbers now to throw in.

This is exactly why I don't vote for the CPM. Most are voted on just rhetoric by an ignorant and easy to sway populace and then they can just chill out and do nothing.

1. Pubs is pubs where MM will give you an enemy with militia AV against a proto stomping squad where the python can go 40-0 and so can infantry

2. Look at PC stats and you will see a very different story and PC includes the best pilots in the game

So IWS, youll have no issues showing me cold hard data that those pilots arent the best of the best, and everyone who hops into an ADS pulls those numbers consistently.

I eagerly await your data that youve compiled proving that randoms go ham in ADS all the time.

And I bet you dont see people going 40-0 in PC with infantry fits either unless its some supercorp vs. scrubby new to PC co.

Yes lets look at PC, where people have sat there hovering in front of my AV fit eating every AFG shot for a full clip, then fly off into the sky at light speed only to come back in a few seconds, rinse and repeat until he manages to hit me enough to kill me. Where I fire on rail tanks over and over, hitting them until Im almost out of ammo until they just blap me one time with a railgun and I die from a single hit. Where I repeatedly get first on my team for WP with only one or two vehicle kills, and the majority of my actual kills comes from me killing scouts trying to shotgun me. Why is it easier for me to kill infantry than it is for me to kill the thing Im supposed to counter?

Why is it that every engagement is the vehicle's to lose and all the AV guy can do is hope he hits every shot, and even then the AV player has to make huge mistakes to actually die?

Then on the flip side if more than one AV or (god forbid) a tank is firing at that vehicle its probably going to go down super easily and cost a ton of money, this means if there is significant opposition you have to play super careful with your vehicles which encourages unfun campy play.

We need to fix this so that vehicles are cheaper so you can risk more and actually have fun, so that one AV player has a real chance to kill a vehicle, so that vehicles arent a dozen times easier to kill with a militia railgun tank that with a proto AV fit.

Vehicles need to be completely rebalanced in both survivability (which needs to go down) and cost (which needs to go way down), swarm launchers need to be reworked completely so they require skill to hit with, and there needs to be some better balance between vehicles (railtanks vs. dropships in particular break down rediculously in favor of the railtank, and there needs to be a better infantry slayer turret that should be complete **** against other vehicles).

Some stuff

I kid I did read: but geeze

I see why your sending 30+ mails to each merc.

Is the stuff contained in these mails not on the forums or something?
Just looks like your sending a lot of waste to new people.

I was reading the thread for the lols but now I'm curious.

Seriously 8 pages and I'm the only one to give sir man boy props? You guys are some negative nannies. If you'd ever played with sir man boy you'd understand 500 kills is pretty damn good for him. I see that list and can **** post about what I don't know or I can state what is obvious sir man boy does everything you ask for from a CPM this should be an appreciation thread about him not a smear campaign for CPM 1 and a platform for the eve tards on CPM 2

Why don't we give him props for breathing and turning food into **** while we're at it?

He's playing the game, great. :l

Christ on a cracker you people are miserable fucks please go back to the winging. You all deserve this game

Whining about people whining, the worst whining of all.