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Aeon Amadi wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps.

#StillNotVariableZoom
#WhatWorksForYouDoesn'tAlwaysWorkForMe
#HowCanAScopeBeOP

On the discussion of maps, what range would snipers 'realistically' be sniping from, in your superior opinion...? EDIT: Also, if I post in the thread about AR's and why they're not being used more, are my opinions even going to matter or is my opinion too bias because I'm a specialist?

Additional Edit: As a specialist, what can I give feedback on that actually gets taken into account if the things I a specialize with/am familiar with are too bias and I'm not knowledgeable enough to give feedback on the things I'm not?

Yet additional edit: What's the statistics on sniper rifles then and now? What suits are using them? How often are they used in competitive game modes like PC? What are the numbers on how well they're performing compared to everything else? Which variants are the most used and why?

Can you answer any of those questions or are you just blindly saying that 'x' is OP because you dislike it and don't think that 'y' should be doing it?

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Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 267	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:12:00 - [151] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is still a better CPM than Sorya will -ever- be If Soraya was completely inactive he would still be better than Judge. Judge R thought a 50 K/D flying godmode genocide chariot was balanced It boggles the ******* mind, I tell you. i like how the number gets bigger every time
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 308	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:26:00 - [152] - Quote IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Seriously 8 pages and I'm the only one to give sir man boy props? You guys are some negative nannies. If you'd ever played with sir man boy you'd understand 500 kills is pretty damn good for him. I see that list and can ** post about what I don't know or I can state what is obvious sir man boy does everything you ask for from a CPM this should be an appreciation thread about him not a smear campaign for CPM 1 and a platform for the eve tards on CPM 2 Why don't we give him props for breathing and turning food into ** while we're at it? He's playing the game, great. :l Christ on a cracker you people are miserable fucks please go back to the winging. You all deserve this game Whining about people whining, the worst whining of all. Not whining stating the what is there sir man boy is a good CPM you are a douche I didnt say he was a bad one, and if you get to determine if you were whining or not then I wasnt whining either, so there. This is fun!
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 355	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:31:00 - [153] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Vesta Opalus said ... Bunch of douchy stuff! then stabbed himself in the ** to feel better. RED LIGHT**
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 308	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:31:00 - [154] - Quote IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Vesta Opalus said ... Bunch of douchy stuff! then stabbed himself in the **** to feel better. Still mad about nothing.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18364	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:32:00 - [155] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: So IWS, youll have no issues showing me cold hard data that those pilots arent the best of the best, and everyone who hops into an ADS pulls those numbers consistently. I eagerly await your data that youve compiled proving that randoms go ham in ADS all the time. I did not nerf the ADS nor had any involvement in it because nobody asked me for help at all. My assessment was the survivability was too high and the fire power was not an issue at the time but never ran the numbers scenarios or environment checks (not that I have the isk to do that unlike the other field testing.) This was an observation from an impartial observer that has on average managed to help drag down the ADS KDR average to 50 instead of raising it to that high. Number one cause of death; myself.... CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18364	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:34:00 - [156] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is still a better CPM than Sorya will -ever- be If Soraya was completely inactive he would still be better than Judge. Judge R thought a 50 K/D flying godmode genocide chariot was balanced It boggles the ***** mind, I tell you. Judge's point was also about how that KDR is not the best stat to use when ISK is considered Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:** 2) over 10 matches say 15 kills a match with a death every 3 matches. That's a 50 KDR- ish (in a dropship which I do not use all the time so game stats are not relational). P and L that is WORSE than a 39 000 ISK suit amarr assualt over the same match range, with a 10 kill per match rate and a 3 death per match. That amarr would have a 3.3 KDR Actually based on Isk metrics ADS should been 7 million isk a pop based on performance alone so there is that as well. I for one would have never agreed to that price tag. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Balistyc Farshot The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 36	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:36:00 - [157] - Quote IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Seriously 8 pages and I'm the only one to give sir man boy props? You guys are some negative nannies. If you'd ever played with sir man boy you'd understand 500 kills is pretty damn good for him. I see that list and can ** post about what I don't know or I can state what is obvious sir man boy does everything you ask for from a CPM this should be an appreciation thread about him not a smear campaign for CPM 1 and a platform for the eve tards on CPM 2 Why don't we give him props for breathing and turning food into while we're at it? He's playing the game, great. :l Christ on a cracker you people are miserable fucks please go back to the winging. You all deserve this game Whining about people whining, the worst whining of all. Not whining stating the what is there sir man boy is a good CPM you are a douche Ok, I seriously was laughing at this chain. Especially the comments about giving him an award for turning food into . Gotta love the hate. Guys, what if he is a logi? My best logis get 0 kills and 3k WP. Give the guy a break. All the hate is just going to off the CPMs not drive them to action you want. I really hope they take my idea and roll in some officer exclusive suits and troll some of these people in game. That would earn my respect. If forum trolls won't listen to a carrot, give them the stick right up the *. Heavy with a massive bullet hose called Lola (Burst HMG).
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1474	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:50:00 - [158] - Quote I'll give the CPM the benefit of the doubt, with the exception of Judge, who is conspicuous by his absence and presence on Destiny. How much time do you think Phil Jackson spent playing the game when he coached the Bulls. My guess is zero but he definitely knew the game. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1474	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:51:00 - [159] - Quote It would be good PR if the CPM squadded up and challenged other teams though. Because, that's why.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7908	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:55:00 - [160] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Who do we talk to if we feel the CPM isn't advocating or representing us fairly / in a manner we'd like? The CPM2 ballot box. Aeon Amadi wrote: Here's why I'm not confident in the current CPM. Sorry I nerfed your class. (Not sorry./Wasn't even me./I like sniping too.) Can be as sarcastic as much as necessary to make yourself feel better. When you completely ignore specialist feedback and are acting arrogant and egotistical, you aren't representing the game and the players who (potentially) voted for you. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6771	Posted - 2015.01.19 21:59:00 - [161] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Can be as sarcastic as much as necessary to make yourself feel better. When you completely ignore specialist feedback and are acting arrogant and egotistical, you aren't representing the game and the players who (potentially) voted for you. Specialists have an agenda to keep their weapon/dropsuit/vehicle/playstyle in its current state or better. A sniper rifle balance wouldn't even be on the table unless Rattati saw it was overperforming or somehow a high-reward low-risk playstyle. If it got nerfed then it needed a nerf. Sorry, not sorry Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1474	Posted - 2015.01.19 22:02:00 - [162] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is still a better CPM than Sorya will -ever- be If Soraya was completely inactive he would still be better than Judge. Judge R thought a 50 K/D flying godmode genocide chariot was balanced It boggles the ******* mind, I tell you. Judge's point was also about how that KDR is not the best stat to use when ISK is considered [quote=Judge Rhadamanthus] 2) over 10 matches say 15 kills a match with a death every 3 matches. That's a 50 KDR- ish (in a dropship which I do not use all the time so game stats are not relational). P and L that is WORSE than a 39 000 ISK suit amarr assualt over the same match range, with a 10 kill per match rate and a 3 death per match. That amarr would have a 3.3 KDR Yes, Judge perpetuated the ISK argument that vehicle users often use. A proto weapon cost 40X a standard weapon, this does not mean that it should be 40X as effective or raise your kdr 40X to be "ISK equivalent". A pilot or tanker starts out i a dropsuit the same as I do. We already start out at equal, they then add a vehicle, which is a big advantage and which they can discard without dying. This is a much better ISK value than an upgrade from STD to Proto. Because, that's why.
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 267	Posted - 2015.01.19 22:41:00 - [163] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Yes, Judge perpetuated the ISK argument that vehicle users often use. A proto weapon cost 40X a standard weapon, this does not mean that it should be 40X as effective or raise your kdr 40X to be "ISK equivalent". A pilot or tanker starts out i a dropsuit the same as I do. We already start out at equal, they then add a vehicle, which is a big advantage and which they can discard without dying. This is a much better ISK value than an upgrade from STD to Proto. He was asked what his k/d was (in his working together always proto wearing squad), not what it should be
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5477	Posted - 2015.01.19 23:16:00 - [164] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Can be as sarcastic as much as necessary to make yourself feel better. When you completely ignore specialist feedback and are acting arrogant and egotistical, you aren't representing the game and the players who (potentially) voted for you. Specialists have an agenda to keep their weapon/dropsuit/vehicle/playstyle in its current state or better. A sniper rifle balance wouldn't even be on the table unless Rattati saw it was overperforming or somehow a high-reward low-risk playstyle. If it got nerfed then it needed a nerf. Sorry, not sorry Specialist feedback is great, and some of the rest of the suggestions Aeon mentioned in the conversation (the part he didn't feel like sharing) were pretty good, if perhaps taxing in dev time to benefit a single role. But it's also key to bear in mind that specialists do, by their nature, have a biased agenda. And when someone is advocating that a weapon that was almost never destroyed but easily able to farm kills was not overpowered, you can safely write off that opinion. ;) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7909	Posted - 2015.01.19 23:19:00 - [165] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Can be as sarcastic as much as necessary to make yourself feel better. When you completely ignore specialist feedback and are acting arrogant and egotistical, you aren't representing the game and the players who (potentially) voted for you. Specialists have an agenda to keep their weapon/dropsuit/vehicle/playstyle in its current state or better. A sniper rifle balance wouldn't even be on the table unless Rattati saw it was overperforming or somehow a high-reward low-risk playstyle. If it got nerfed then it needed a nerf. Sorry, not sorry Except the feedback given by actual snipers who saw problems with the design was completely ignored. They buffed headshot damage considerably but in return nerfed the range and scopes. The problem with this (not that I honestly expect anyone to actually listen past that first sentence) was that it did absolutely nothing to redline snipers, which the community massively supported the range nerfs for. All it did was make it -harder- to kill redline snipers because counter-snipers now had to move up even closer, putting themselves further at risk. The community wanted less redline snipers and supported changes to make it harder to kill them, conversely of any changes that actually affected redline snipers. Explain to me how that contributes further to a high-risk/low-reward playstyle..? Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7909	Posted - 2015.01.19 23:22:00 - [166] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Can be as sarcastic as much as necessary to make yourself feel better. When you completely ignore specialist feedback and are acting arrogant and egotistical, you aren't representing the game and the players who (potentially) voted for you. Specialists have an agenda to keep their weapon/dropsuit/vehicle/playstyle in its current state or better. A sniper rifle balance wouldn't even be on the table unless Rattati saw it was overperforming or somehow a high-reward low-risk playstyle. If it got nerfed then it needed a nerf. Sorry, not sorry Specialist feedback is great, and some of the rest of the suggestions Aeon mentioned in the conversation (the part he didn't feel like sharing) were pretty good, if perhaps taxing in dev time to benefit a single role. But it's also key to bear in mind that specialists do, by their nature, have a biased agenda. And when someone is advocating that a weapon that was almost never destroyed but easily able to farm kills was not overpowered, you can safely write off that opinion. ;) Please copy and paste where I was suggesting that the sniper rifle be a weapon that was easily able to farm kills. I'd like to see where and when I said this. EDIT: And no, the "rest of the suggestions" I mentioned would not "benefit a single role". They would be intended for that role, absolutely, but much in the same way Cloaking devices are intended for Scouts and Repair Tools are intended for Logis they can be used by anyone with an equipment slot... Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5477	Posted - 2015.01.19 23:25:00 - [167] - Quote Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7909	Posted - 2015.01.19 23:35:00 - [168] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. #StillNotVariableZoom #WhatWorksForYouDoesn'tAlwaysWorkForMe #HowCanAScopeBeOP On the discussion of maps, what range would snipers 'realistically' be sniping from, in your superior opinion...? EDIT: Also, if I post in the thread about AR's and why they're not being used more, are my opinions even going to matter or is my opinion too bias because I'm a specialist? Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18366	Posted - 2015.01.19 23:45:00 - [169] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. You read wrong. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5477	Posted - 2015.01.19 23:59:00 - [170] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. You read wrong. I will ask your help interpreting what I read wrong later then. :/ Because I was pretty confident. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 308	Posted - 2015.01.20 00:11:00 - [171] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. #StillNotVariableZoom #WhatWorksForYouDoesn'tAlwaysWorkForMe #HowCanAScopeBeOP On the discussion of maps, what range would snipers 'realistically' be sniping from, in your superior opinion...? EDIT: Also, if I post in the thread about AR's and why they're not being used more, are my opinions even going to matter or is my opinion too bias because I'm a specialist? Additional Edit: As a specialist, what can I give feedback on that actually gets taken into account if the things I a specialize with/am familiar with are too bias and I'm not knowledgeable enough to give feedback on the things I'm not? Yet additional edit: What's the statistics on sniper rifles then and now? What suits are using them? How often are they used in competitive game modes like PC? What are the numbers on how well they're performing compared to everything else? Which variants are the most used and why? Can you answer any of those questions or are you just blindly saying that 'x' is OP because you dislike it and don't think that 'y' should be doing it? Scope was OP at the longer ranges the sniper rifle was effective at because it gave you a clear view of the guys you are shooting at even in the 500-600 meter range (as opposed to the other rifles which shows you a head the size of a single pixel at those ranges) I disagree that countersniping is worse off, one shot from a charge sniper will kill damn near anything, before you had to hope the other guy was lagging or stupid to actually kill him before he moved behind cover. I would like some variable zoom though!
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1834	Posted - 2015.01.20 01:35:00 - [172] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. #StillNotVariableZoom #WhatWorksForYouDoesn'tAlwaysWorkForMe #HowCanAScopeBeOP Went all twitter on it hahaha. XD You did however forget #Hype TLDR : Last Dust Montage
saxonmish T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 934	Posted - 2015.01.20 01:43:00 - [173] - Quote Vote sax for cpm, yaay :D SAXON ON A MISH - My Youtube Channel :)
Helghus Resther Heisen Republic 74	Posted - 2015.01.20 01:43:00 - [174] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. Not sure what makes the scope of a sniper rifle, or any weapon, overpowered. The winner of this war will not prove who's right; only, who's left.
Helghus Resther Heisen Republic 74	Posted - 2015.01.20 01:45:00 - [175] - Quote Helghus Resther wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. Not sure what makes the scope of a sniper rifle, or any weapon, overpowered. The winner of this war will not prove who's right; only, who's left.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18367	Posted - 2015.01.20 02:39:00 - [176] - Quote Helghus Resther wrote: Helghus Resther wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Actually, Aeon, if I'm reading the Hotfix Delta spreadsheet correctly, scope zoom was actually buffed slightly everywhere except for the Thale's, which got a significant nerf because, as mentioned, it was OP as heck. And for standard-style sniper rifles, range was brought down, but still well above the distance most people would realistically be sniping from on most maps. Not sure what makes the scope of a sniper rifle, or any weapon, overpowered. Cool that means deleting the scope on sniper rifle shouldn't be a problem now. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Yeeeuuuupppp Random Gunz 808	Posted - 2015.01.20 02:59:00 - [177] - Quote saxonmish wrote: Vote sax for cpm, yaay :D Idk i think I'm gonna vote Duna, you're a close second though xP See you on the flip side brother PSN: GMANCASH Come on innnnn
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5014	Posted - 2015.01.20 03:39:00 - [178] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Here's why I'm not confident in the current CPM. the current CPM or the one you quoted? We each have individual strengths Aeon. ;) Founder & CEO of Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Email: Zatara.Forever@gmail Final's week sucks :'(
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7912	Posted - 2015.01.20 03:39:00 - [179] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I will ask your help interpreting what I read wrong later then. :/ Because I was pretty confident. Didn't you tell me you used to snipe 'a lot'? How could you not see this change..? What's worse is this now betrays the anecdotal evidence given by this thread: That you don't need to play the kittening game to have knowledge of it. Vesta Opalus wrote: Scope was OP at the longer ranges the sniper rifle was effective at because it gave you a clear view of the guys you are shooting at even in the 500-600 meter range (as opposed to the other rifles which shows you a head the size of a single pixel at those ranges) I disagree that countersniping is worse off, one shot from a charge sniper will kill damn near anything, before you had to hope the other guy was lagging or stupid to actually kill him before he moved behind cover. I would like some variable zoom though! So, it was OP because it allowed the sniper rifle to fire at ranges that it was originally meant to engage..? Wow. Who'd have thought that would actually make it so viable. (For the record, scopes meant for longer ranges also mean that they're less effective at -LESSER- ranges, but no-one complains about that). Countersniping -is- worse off and using the Charge Sniper Rifle's damage as evidence as to why it's not is about as much of a stretch as I can imagine. If the redline sniper is 450m away, using a vanilla sniper rifle, and you're using a Charge sniper Rifle.... That means you have to get within 400m of him to do any damage at all. All the while: a) His teammates can freely engage you. b) He can take a few steps backward and get out of your range. c) He's already been shooting at you for 50m. d) He's already ready to fire, while you have to get set up and ready to go. No. The scope is not OP because it allows the sniper to engage at his weapon's intended range. The Thale's -MAY HAVE BEEN OP- for other factors but being able to shoot at it's range is surely not one of them. Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Cool that means deleting the scope on sniper rifle shouldn't be a problem now. Aiming with it should require the use of the mk. 1 bio-optics. Not only hyperbole but going in the exact opposite direction that the argument is presenting. Variable scopes would allow snipers to be able to -actually do their job- whereas an "OP Scope" is considered allowing them to engage at longer ranges with any sort of reasonable expectations. Removing scopes because someone says they're not sure what makes them OP is basically making a weapon completely useless when the playerbase is wanting them to be more viable for the weapon in question. But what do I know, I actually play the game. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7912	Posted - 2015.01.20 03:42:00 - [180] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Here's why I'm not confident in the current CPM. the current CPM or the one you quoted? We each have individual strengths Aeon. ;) I realize that. Shame that none of those strengths involve actually communicating with players outside of personal social cliques or trolling the community on the forums. Even more of a shame that I feel like I have to wait for the CPM2 to come around to be able to talk to anyone that actually cares about anyone's opinion other than their own. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback



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