DUST Search - not really a suprise

Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of.

I quite literally speak with them ten times a day.

I respect your perspective on this and have a serious question for you:

How intimately does a CPM member know the game or player base you represent if you don't partake in the game regularly and/or remain a connected and active member of the community?

To be clear, I greatly appreciate the amount of work the CPM does and for the most part it's very difficult to understand what exactly it is they do or how they are positively impacting things. I feel fairly informed since I happen to know several of them quite well and talk to them frequently but I'm better position than the large majority of the players.

I don't think the OP's comments were necessarily fair or perhaps indicative of some of the CPMs level of commitment, however, I can see how this point of view could be reached. Dec / Jan is also a difficult period to get a sensing of game participation. That said, it could be telling if you look at longitudinal participation in the game when you are a player and wonder what the CPM does to help you, CCP, and the game writ large.

I am a big proponent of the CSM / CPM system and I want it and Dust to work. I don't think things are broken as some might say and I can see the frustration when examining the CPM.

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xavier zor Rogue Instincts 426	Posted - 2015.01.19 03:34:00 - [31] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: At least more than half of the council of planetary management tried to play the game...it's not like they're representing the community or managing anything...right? I like 'tried'. This game is a joke, the developers have not fixed the things that make people leave E.G mechanics, bugs and glitched. Instead they bring out new things that fail such as strongboxes & keys, the 3 scan radius strengths (strong circle, medium circle weak circle. Hell, the passive scans don't even work! I could understand them not playing this buggy joke of an FPS Official Ishokune supporter Knifed duna2002's tank, then the mercenary himself
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 2170	Posted - 2015.01.19 03:34:00 - [32] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Edit : and dam right I'll point out flaws with the CPM. No problem with pointing out flaws with the CPM. Just a problem with thinly veiled campaign attack ads. ;) Here's a flaw, two of the members dont play anymore Delt for CPM2 CPM1 MISSION : FAILED Moss-delt on skype
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1826	Posted - 2015.01.19 04:33:00 - [33] - Quote Hmm cpm being so little active. Clearly means you should vote for Bamm Havok for cpm2. 1st is the worst 2nd is the best. TLDR : Last Dust Montage
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 3151	Posted - 2015.01.19 04:43:00 - [34] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: To be fair to IWS, he played every day... He is just that bad. Nearly 3 years playing DUST and I Have seen IWS in game twice... The first time he lost three tanks and quit match.(Nothing wrong with this... Find a match that you have fun in, I firmly believe this) Second time I saw him out of the red-line in the first initial push for 5 mins? Then rest he sat in red-line sniping. This was a year or two ago? And I played this game religiously then... The problem is; even Judge... rarely played DUST.... sure? He sat on the forums and spent alot of time on skype? He even spent alot of time building spreadsheets and collecting data for his specific passion in the game. But Judge rarely played DUST... a few times a week for an hour or two.... Most of the active DUST players don't come on forums, skype, twitter....Because they are too busy playing the actual game.. There are only a few even on these forums that make a post and play the game in the same day. If CCP really wants to promote a proper CPM representation of the average DUST player.... They would have to infuse the CPM election right into the DUST UI...... So players that play the game can actually vote.... The voter turn out for CPM should make CCP feel like they failed. Not the community feel like they failed at the CPM vote.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5600	Posted - 2015.01.19 05:04:00 - [35] - Quote Bethhy wrote: One Eyed King wrote: To be fair to IWS, he played every day... He is just that bad. Nearly 3 years playing DUST and I Have seen IWS in game twice... The first time he lost three tanks and quit match.(Nothing wrong with this... Find a match that you have fun in, I firmly believe this) Second time I saw him out of the red-line in the first initial push for 5 mins? Then rest he sat in red-line sniping. This was a year or two ago? And I played this game religiously then... The problem is; even Judge... rarely played DUST.... sure? He sat on the forums and spent alot of time on skype? He even spent alot of time building spreadsheets and collecting data for his specific passion in the game. But Judge rarely played DUST... a few times a week for an hour or two.... Most of the active DUST players don't come on forums, skype, twitter....Because they are too busy playing the actual game.. There are only a few even on these forums that make a post and play the game in the same day. If CCP really wants to promote a proper CPM representation of the average DUST player.... They would have to infuse the CPM election right into the DUST UI...... So players that play the game can actually vote.... The voter turn out for CPM should make CCP feel like they failed. Not the community feel like they failed at the CPM vote. Actually, more and more active players are being referred to the forums as of late. On this topic itself, there are various players that are still very active, including myself, and a few others. I mostly shitpost, but I still lurk the forums every other day, because of the lunatics that make up the Dust Community. I'll always find time, whether it's when I'm warming up the car, or making dinner (always on mobile). When I get home from working, I play a match or two, and if I'm having fun, I'll stick around, if not, do something else. As for the CPM, I understand that the position their in may or may not affect their time available, so I don't really care. We, the community, have asked the CPM to report to CCP various constructive criticism, ideas, and spreadsheets, and time and time again, they have fulfilled their roles, both the CPM 0 & 1. Sure, they may not be able to get to all our requests - they're only human - but some of us may forget that it is ultimately CCP's decision to pull strings, so it may SEEM like the CPM aren't doing anything. Everyone has their own methods of gathering info. The forums, personal anecdotes, and by playing the game, so not playing it much doesn't necessarily mean they don't know what they're doing. Anywho, I'm not trying to kiss any of their lower cheeks, but I admit, we have to give credit where it's due (especially IWS who has been CPM for two terms).
SirManBoy Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 812	Posted - 2015.01.19 05:07:00 - [36] - Quote IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: sirmanboy ftw About 2.42 times for every loss to be exact.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 15129	Posted - 2015.01.19 05:31:00 - [37] - Quote Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1266	Posted - 2015.01.19 05:39:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. So now we know why things get changed via he said, she said and forum rhetoric... I guess it's a good thing we have the trello board those people actually play the game.. INB4 another IWS spreadsheet response, we've seen where that's got us so far..
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 633	Posted - 2015.01.19 05:59:00 - [39] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: This is exactly why I don't vote for the CPM. Most are voted on just rhetoric by an ignorant and easy to sway populace and then they can just chill out and do nothing. Hello, have you meet the human race? Rare is the man who puts another before himself. CPM is politics, polititions are professional liars who are self serving or a puppet for a group of people and exsist only to partot that . There are very few exceptions. This post has been brought to you by: my opinion, please take it as such and nothing else. Hello? any one there?
Timtron Victory Horizons' Edge 270	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:03:00 - [40] - Quote LMBO HAHAHAAH. You guys are a riot. You guys should make this a routine and charge for it. I will pay with ISK haha Dust Weekly Lottery Proud Christian Jesus Loves You

Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2242	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:04:00 - [41] - Quote Been on holiday for the last week snowboarding down mountains. Broadband coverage ain't so hot at 3000m. Christmas and New Year. I'm sorry but I figured I might go see some family and friends over the holiday period on the 3 days off I actually had rather than sit on my PS3. Having a full time job with shift patterns and 10hr days also kinda crimps on my game time. But while I'm there I'm often forum lurking and answering questions on my iPhone. Holidays permitting pretty much in constant contact with CCP and the other CPM on Skype dealing with issues. Despite the wierd timezoning with the majority of the CPM 5 hours behind me and CCP Shanghai 10 in front, meaning that I'm taking meetings at 2-4 am, I've still yet to miss a meeting. Sending 30+ emails to each new member of D-UNI requires me to use the EVE client. That can take up to 90 mins a day depending on if I'm crashing the Dust mail server again. Bare in mind as well that well over 50% of all mail sent to Dust Merc's in the game near entire history comes from one account according to CCP Logibro......... that would be my EVE account. Dust isn't the only game I play. Limiting all my gaming free time to just the one isn't healthy and somewhat miopic. Just for the record I play, Elite Dangerous, some Destiny, dabble in Day-Z. H1Z1 looks promising. Got a backlog of games on my Xbox One still in their wrapper... Also, I have other hobbies. Forgive me on that one but I find having interests over a wide spectrum is helpful is most aspects of my life. Model Making, writing short stories, reading, watching some TV every now and then. Snowboarding, cycling and jogging because it's important to get off your arse at some point lest you absorb the chair into it. But even with all this, spread over the Eve client, Dust, Skype to CCP and forum time, My CPM duties take up nearly 20 hours of my week. Frankly I'm stunned I had the time to get as many kills as I did. But all of this is purely academic to be honest. Anyone reading this thread is likely to already have an entrenched view of the CPM anyway, searching for whatever scrap of data they can find to justify an opinion that no one will change anyway. It's a cliche I know but like many such cliche it's often true. Until you spend time on the CPM or the CSM, you really have no clue how much work is involved. Successfully run for either and experience it for yourself, I guarentee that you'll look back on your previous posts dissing the CPM and be incredibly embarrassed by them. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5442	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:07:00 - [42] - Quote Kevall is a spammer. D: "Kevall the Nigerian Prince" has a nice ring to it. ;) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10794	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:07:00 - [43] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Went through my contacts and for monthly kills Zatara - 0 Judge Rhadamanthus - 0 Soraya Xel - 0 Iron Wolf Saber - 1 Kevall Long stride - 60 Cross atu - 146 Sir man boy - 510 I'm at least glad 2 of our 7 CPM members have been playing the game. Um... 2? I count 3. Don't rule out Kevall. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1788	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:15:00 - [44] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Went through my contacts and for monthly kills Zatara - 0 Judge Rhadamanthus - 0 Soraya Xel - 0 Iron Wolf Saber - 1 Kevall Long stride - 60 Cross atu - 146 Sir man boy - 510 I'm at least glad 2 of our 7 CPM members have been playing the game. This is why the forum trolls suggestions get pushed through. How else can you get information on the game without playing it? I say anyone that wants to give input on the game should be able to submit an application through the game so that their character can be tracked for activity. Out of the pool of at least semi active players a random group is chosen to join a channel where for 2 weeks devs join off and on to converse with them directly and get input. Once the two weeks is up a new group is chosen. Devs would have at their discretion to add people from each group to a secondary channel for immediate feedback on releases and hotfixes. According to what Ratatti has said and the activity that is visible the current CPM has made great progress in opening lines of communication with the player base as a whole instead of just them and I greatly applaud this. The simple fact tho is the fact that the majority of the forum population represents the minority of the player population. I say this from experience because thanks to the latest round of changes I have taken to playing mostly Eve with a few matches here and there on Dust while still forum warrioring because I have realized that is the only way to attempt to give any input. Taking real information from a random group of players both new and veteran for just a short amount of time stands to benefit far more than from the people who post the loudest or have been elected a position through a pseudo election system that only puts forward the people who have the most friends with accounts that are active. Note: I say pseudo election because only minimal amount of the Dust population knows what CPM is little less feels the need to go vote for it.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1788	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:15:00 - [45] - Quote Double post
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9268	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:25:00 - [46] - Quote Sgt Arkena Merc for CPM 2 CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 726	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:26:00 - [47] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Sgt Arkena Merc for CPM 2 Fanfics incuming... GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We need a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1827	Posted - 2015.01.19 06:57:00 - [48] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: tldr I kid I did read: but geeze I see why your sending 30+ mails to each merc. Is the stuff contained in these mails not on the forums or something? Just looks like your sending a lot of waste to new people. I was reading the thread for the lols but now I'm curious. TLDR : Last Dust Montage
Viktor's Alt Negative-Impact Back and Forth 0	Posted - 2015.01.19 07:22:00 - [49] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. When we want to know how to improve our game game we ask the people who don't play the game. ~CCP I know you must defend them but those stats are just ridiculous. You might talk to them daily but that does not mean they know what they are talking about...
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7901	Posted - 2015.01.19 08:02:00 - [50] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. Who do we talk to if we feel the CPM isn't advocating or representing us fairly / in a manner we'd like? I am... La línea roja artillero..! Tears collected from Redline sniping -:- 45

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18343	Posted - 2015.01.19 08:02:00 - [51] - Quote Bethhy wrote: One Eyed King wrote: To be fair to IWS, he played every day... He is just that bad. Nearly 3 years playing DUST and I Have seen IWS in game twice... The first time he lost three tanks and quit match.(Nothing wrong with this... Find a match that you have fun in, I firmly believe this) Second time I saw him out of the red-line in the first initial push for 5 mins? Then rest he sat in red-line sniping. This was a year or two ago? And I played this game religiously then... The problem is; even Judge... rarely played DUST.... sure? He sat on the forums and spent alot of time on skype? He even spent alot of time building spreadsheets and collecting data for his specific passion in the game. But Judge rarely played DUST... a few times a week for an hour or two.... Most of the active DUST players don't come on forums, skype, twitter....Because they are too busy playing the actual game.. There are only a few even on these forums that make a post and play the game in the same day. If CCP really wants to promote a proper CPM representation of the average DUST player.... They would have to infuse the CPM election right into the DUST UI...... So players that play the game can actually vote.... The voter turn out for CPM should make CCP feel like they failed. Not the community feel like they failed at the CPM vote. Couple Falsehoods here ; 1 I don't quit after losing three tanks I generally call a 4th one in because I am trying to figure the hostile fit out. Also if you can recall which tank it was I was losing during my spree Ill give you a cookie. Now a days though I lose one tank I go AV fit; can't afford the losses anymore. 2 I am a scout sniper and play infield 3 Last time I saw you in a min scout shotgunning harassing point D on the bridge map and I was with 3 blues trying to secure the back line while rest of the team pushed; we lost that round still. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7901	Posted - 2015.01.19 08:19:00 - [52] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Went through my contacts and for monthly kills Zatara - 0 Judge Rhadamanthus - 0 Soraya Xel - 0 Iron Wolf Saber - 1 Kevall Long stride - 60 Cross atu - 146 Sir man boy - 510 I'm at least glad 2 of our 7 CPM members have been playing the game. Here's why I'm not confident in the current CPM. Was the Thale's scope OP? Debatable. But when you have the balls to basically say that anyone who disagrees with you is 'wrong', I can't help but consider that as grounds for extreme bias in your general attitude toward everything related to the game. Lot of the other CPM aren't much better, either. Cross Atu and Kevall Longstride are the most sane/approachable of the lot but they won't discuss gameplay aspects they're not 100% comfortable in. I can respect that, at least. About the only thing the majority of the CPM are good for is trolling the players as hard as humanly possible, being completely AWOL, or having some pretty noticeable bias toward gameplay aspects they're interested in. Of course you can't prove this because we don't get Summit Minutes like Eve Online does but I've been told that bringing this sort of thing up is just baseless drama, so take what I say as a grain of salt. Not saying I'd do a better job, though. I quit caring. I've had a lot of resentment toward the game as a whole and find it incredibly difficult to keep up the drive to continue playing like I used to. But I do know that this current system needs to change or we're just going to be going in circles. I think that Dust 514 has only gotten as far as it has by CCP Rattati thinking like an Engineer and doing right by the numbers but eventually the CPM's "feedback" is going to start to show the signs of degradation, which I feel it already has in some of the more niche areas and specializations. At this point, I'd argue that the community should start forming sub-communities that align with congruent viewpoints. Only way you're going to have the momentum to actually get your voices heard unless it just happens to align with whatever idea the current CPM has for the game. Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 357	Posted - 2015.01.19 08:23:00 - [53] - Quote Yes, please vote for me next time folks. I play one time more than half the people on the present CPM. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 397	Posted - 2015.01.19 08:25:00 - [54] - Quote CPM: Do not listen to this hypocrite. You guys are doing a fantastic job. Keep up the goodwork. Even though I haven't been able to play lately, I check the forums every day, and watch the game develop. :) I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 3143	Posted - 2015.01.19 08:41:00 - [55] - Quote Considering the CPM is mostly a focus group, I don't think it is overly important that they play the game 24/7. It is a little disheartening seeing that so many are not active but I would hazard a guess that a lot of it has to do with the fact that December-January is an absolute monster for when it comes to free time. I would think, and hope, that the CPM is more active next month. Of course, that is only active in the game sense. As a focus group, getting information and bouncing information to CCP is likely more important. The forums are also a great way to get player thoughts even if they weren't playing it. Really, I would go with meetings and forum activity being the "CPM's job" and whether or not they are playing the game is a non-factor. This doesn't mean that the CPM should just never play DUST but I don't think this is as bad as it looks at first glance. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1614	Posted - 2015.01.19 08:56:00 - [56] - Quote Bethhy wrote: One Eyed King wrote: To be fair to IWS, he played every day... He is just that bad. Nearly 3 years playing DUST and I Have seen IWS in game twice... The first time he lost three tanks and quit match.(Nothing wrong with this... Find a match that you have fun in, I firmly believe this) Second time I saw him out of the red-line in the first initial push for 5 mins? Then rest he sat in red-line sniping. This was a year or two ago? And I played this game religiously then... The problem is; even Judge... rarely played DUST.... sure? He sat on the forums and spent alot of time on skype? He even spent alot of time building spreadsheets and collecting data for his specific passion in the game. But Judge rarely played DUST... a few times a week for an hour or two.... Most of the active DUST players don't come on forums, skype, twitter....Because they are too busy playing the actual game.. There are only a few even on these forums that make a post and play the game in the same day. If CCP really wants to promote a proper CPM representation of the average DUST player.... They would have to infuse the CPM election right into the DUST UI...... So players that play the game can actually vote.... The voter turn out for CPM should make CCP feel like they failed. Not the community feel like they failed at the CPM vote. Can we re-post this daily.. Have voting and campaign propaganda IN-GAME not on an alt-forum chances are a chunk of votes came from the guys with 2 ps3's and 20 psn a/c's lol Unless the CPM is intended to have nothing to do with the community or the game If that's the case, then yeah lets do another forum parade.. what could go wrong??
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14491	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:00:00 - [57] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Sgt Arkena Merc for CPM 2 The CPM will be the most fabulous one yet thanks to our glorious Gallentean presence! Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave
ScI-Iurk Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 51	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:00:00 - [58] - Quote I'm really thankfull for all the people on the CPM spending time and energy trying to improve this game. You guys rock!
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1465	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:06:00 - [59] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. I respect your perspective on this and have a serious question for you: How intimately does a CPM member know the game or player base you represent if you don't partake in the game regularly and/or remain a connected and active member of the community? To be clear, I greatly appreciate the amount of work the CPM does and for the most part it's very difficult to understand what exactly it is they do or how they are positively impacting things. I feel fairly informed since I happen to know several of them quite well and talk to them frequently but I'm better position than the large majority of the players. I don't think the OP's comments were necessarily fair or perhaps indicative of some of the CPMs level of commitment, however, I can see how this point of view could be reached. Dec / Jan is also a difficult period to get a sensing of game participation. That said, it could be telling if you look at longitudinal participation in the game when you are a player and wonder what the CPM does to help you, CCP, and the game writ large. I am a big proponent of the CSM / CPM system and I want it and Dust to work. I don't think things are broken as some might say and I can see the frustration when examining the CPM. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14491	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:11:00 - [60] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. I respect your perspective on this and have a serious question for you: How intimately does a CPM member know the game or player base you represent if you don't partake in the game regularly and/or remain a connected and active member of the community? To be clear, I greatly appreciate the amount of work the CPM does and for the most part it's very difficult to understand what exactly it is they do or how they are positively impacting things. I feel fairly informed since I happen to know several of them quite well and talk to them frequently but I'm better position than the large majority of the players. I don't think the OP's comments were necessarily fair or perhaps indicative of some of the CPMs level of commitment, however, I can see how this point of view could be reached. Dec / Jan is also a difficult period to get a sensing of game participation. That said, it could be telling if you look at longitudinal participation in the game when you are a player and wonder what the CPM does to help you, CCP, and the game writ large. I am a big proponent of the CSM / CPM system and I want it and Dust to work. I don't think things are broken as some might say and I can see the frustration when examining the CPM. I don't play the game much now-a-days, only a bit each update. The game practically barely changed each update, and the result of the changes tend to be (at least in my case) predictable. So if you had deep knowledge of the game from playing the game for years like I did, you still do as long as you take a refresher each update and keep up with the forums. It also helps that I am in 4 different DUST related Skype chats with a bunch of members of the community, including the CPM. tl;dr - Until something truly major happens, the CPM knowledge of the game is still very valid months after they last played the game, as long as they keep up with forum stuff and talk to other people, and check out each update. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave



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