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Cat Merc wrote:

Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of.

I quite literally speak with them ten times a day.

I respect your perspective on this and have a serious question for you:

How intimately does a CPM member know the game or player base you represent if you don't partake in the game regularly and/or remain a connected and active member of the community?

To be clear, I greatly appreciate the amount of work the CPM does and for the most part it's very difficult to understand what exactly it is they do or how they are positively impacting things. I feel fairly informed since I happen to know several of them quite well and talk to them frequently but I'm better position than the large majority of the players.

I don't think the OP's comments were necessarily fair or perhaps indicative of some of the CPMs level of commitment, however, I can see how this point of view could be reached. Dec / Jan is also a difficult period to get a sensing of game participation. That said, it could be telling if you look at longitudinal participation in the game when you are a player and wonder what the CPM does to help you, CCP, and the game writ large.

I am a big proponent of the CSM / CPM system and I want it and Dust to work. I don't think things are broken as some might say and I can see the frustration when examining the CPM.

I don't play the game much now-a-days, only a bit each update.
The game practically barely changed each update, and the result of the changes tend to be (at least in my case) predictable.

So if you had deep knowledge of the game from playing the game for years like I did, you still do as long as you take a refresher each update and keep up with the forums.
It also helps that I am in 4 different DUST related Skype chats with a bunch of members of the community, including the CPM.

tl;dr - Until something truly major happens, the CPM knowledge of the game is still very valid months after they last played the game, as long as they keep up with forum stuff and talk to other people, and check out each update.

"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

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demonkiller 12 The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 449	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:27:00 - [61] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: Come on, I'm a nobody and I've got over 2000 kills for the month. And I work a full time job. These guys needed to step it up Do you have people constantly bombarding you with mail and threads about how you do nothing. No
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game RUST415 1652	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:34:00 - [62] - Quote Excluding Judge and Zatara who I havent seen or played with im quite some time, before christmas I ran into every other CPM quite regularly. Christmas and New Year obviously reduce play time, and you have to give them the credit for running 2 full-time jobs, especially as one is unpaid. Yes even IWS, who I have seen have a couple of good games before. "Why build ontop of foundations that aren't solid?" HRI -> TUL -> FC -> ML -> TLoD -> RE -> DMG Pilot & Assault.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1473	Posted - 2015.01.19 10:43:00 - [63] - Quote I for one thank the CPM for taking the crap from the player base so I don't have to. Keep up the good work! /c DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status

KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1735	Posted - 2015.01.19 10:48:00 - [64] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. The playtime has very much to do with knowing the current build and hotfix and how the recent changes affect in real game Pro-choice! For hazardous self-activated inertial dampeners! We want to live on the edge (((of MCC)))
Fristname Family name The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 90	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:02:00 - [65] - Quote ummm have you all heard of being a dedicated logi? maybe they all are just logi bro-ing IWS so he can get 11 more kills than some people :P also i have a 503 ( 504 in less than 3hours ) daily bonus but do you my main on dust everyday? no cause if i dont get a key in my dailys or cant get a squad with a ffew people i like to play with i get straight off ( i might chat in my channels 1st for 30mins or so ) but yeah also they may not wanna be a 1 game person, tbh Dust can get repetitive some times if your solo but not all the time. i still would rather play DA2 or Beyond 2 souls for 14hours then play dust for 1hour or less but if i had a job well.. i think ps3 would miss me... and this is why i dont log into the forums.. i go on about nothing for a lil bit every time XD AKA:Wings,Wingman,Inmortal,Slayer,Frist,Fristname,ThatWeirdGuy,Mumbles PREPARE THE BATTLE HAMMOCK AND PURPLE GARDEN HOSE
Fristname Family name The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 90	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:08:00 - [66] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. The playtime has very much to do with knowing the current build and hotfix and how the recent changes affect in real game they have test servers im pretty shure. also I know for a fact that a few members ( proberly most of the Dust team ) have alts that they play on and are undercover ( i can imagine them now defending CCP whenever some one talks crap about them XD or talking crap about the work they did on the game that had a bug in it without realising it was their fault XD ) but yeah they got test servers or something im pretty shure. AKA:Wings,Wingman,Inmortal,Slayer,Frist,Fristname,ThatWeirdGuy,Mumbles PREPARE THE BATTLE HAMMOCK AND PURPLE GARDEN HOSE
Michael Arck 6158	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:12:00 - [67] - Quote SMH @ Smear campaigns Foggy Focus Community who doesn't understand the people they vote for Ridiculous expectations CPMs who don't understand their playerbase Friend promotion because they are in same corporation the list can go on after reading this thread... Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1304	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:13:00 - [68] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: Excluding Judge and Zatara who I havent seen or played with in quite some time, before christmas I ran into every other CPM quite regularly. Christmas and New Year obviously reduce play time, and you have to give them the credit for running 2 full-time jobs, especially as one is unpaid. Yes even IWS, who I have seen have a couple of good games before. Z has had some real **** ** come up, and as much as FA likes to joke about him and Destiny it's not really like that, at least for the past two months. None the less, he still tries asking us about DUST in our chat when he has the free time. He still cares a lot about the game and community, but real life just gets in the way some times. Dual tanking is for bad players. Come play a better game.
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 82	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:14:00 - [69] - Quote There's no excuse not to have Less than 800 kills for the month of DUST. I most of the time sit idle until a friend sends me a invite. Play time isn't a factor in helping develop a game The **** is this? Is this how changes get made? I'm confused at the logic to this. Who on earth changes something or suggests changes without playing the game quite frequently? For f-ks sake, even people fresh out of the academy even achieve at least 200 kills for the month. If they keep playing Play time should be a pretty big factor in talking changes/suggestions with someone. Ain't nothing stopping them from leaving the match when you contact them through Skype or something. Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6586	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:14:00 - [70] - Quote I find it amusing that so many people blame the CPM for things. Hint: they get no say in finalized design decisions. They are advisors, information filters and an ear open. The decisions on what goes into the game are entirely out of their hands. This thread is pointless. Also, found the logi tourist! Please cry directly into the bucket. -Ripley Riley

SoTa PoP Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 5754	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:21:00 - [71] - Quote OP proves nothing. Changes in this game aren't coming month by month in the first place, how often do you need to play to understand the mechanics that have been in place for nearly 3 years? Updates now-a-days are number changes, you hardly need to play to understand that. If anything, we as a community just have bad luck that our CPM are tied up as they are. Best we can do is support them as much as possible so they can bounce back when they get around to it. Judge - on the other hand................ n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
pumping up Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:25:00 - [72] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Updates now-a-days are number changes, you hardly need to play to understand that.. Disagreed. If the "number changes" are big enough it does change overall gameplay.
SoTa PoP Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 5754	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:27:00 - [73] - Quote pumping up wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Updates now-a-days are number changes, you hardly need to play to understand that.. Disagreed. If the "number changes" are big enough it does change overall gameplay. Change what, exactly? The only numbers changing are weapons and maybe slight mod tweaks. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1738	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:34:00 - [74] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: OP proves nothing. but is rather an indication. Pro-choice! For hazardous self-activated inertial dampeners! We want to live on the edge (((of MCC)))
Michael Arck 6158	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:36:00 - [75] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: OP proves nothing. Changes in this game aren't coming month by month in the first place, how often do you need to play to understand the mechanics that have been in place for nearly 3 years? Updates now-a-days are number changes, you hardly need to play to understand that. If anything, we as a community just have bad luck that our CPM are tied up as they are. Best we can do is support them as much as possible so they can bounce back when they get around to it. Judge - on the other hand................ Lol this post above is just red hot BS Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1738	Posted - 2015.01.19 11:47:00 - [76] - Quote Fristname Family name wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: The playtime has very much to do with knowing the current build and hotfix and how the recent changes affect in real game they have test servers im pretty shure. also I know for a fact that a few members ( proberly most of the Dust team ) have alts that they play on and are undercover ( i can imagine them now defending CCP whenever some one talks crap about them XD or talking crap about the work they did on the game that had a bug in it without realising it was their fault XD ) but yeah they got test servers or something im pretty shure. That's just a guess, right? So far there's been no indication on any outsider getting to test servers (which by my guess would be mostly coders testing area). On a level of thought, it would be a good idea. But to the point: Dust is a massive multiplayer game. A very limited environment test server can never simulate how the real player tactics evolve, how the meta changes and many other things. Often 'how it happens' is as important to witness as the result on the SQL or scoreboard. Pro-choice! For hazardous self-activated inertial dampeners! We want to live on the edge (((of MCC)))
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4268	Posted - 2015.01.19 12:38:00 - [77] - Quote Looks at OP post. Looks at OP sig. This is not the kind of person to ever vote for. When CPM elections do come around this is one candidate you can safely keep off your list. If a CPM is inactive in-game AND neglecting their CPM duties I can see there being an issue. If they are dishonest about their activity again that is an issue as well. The CPM posting here have been fairly forthright in any RL issues they may have. I interact with many CPM on a daily basis and they are passionate about the community and about Dust. They are also working their butts off for you guys. When the election season comes up there will plenty of time for petty attacks like this one, and for hard questions to be asked. There will also be time to look at what CPM 1 has accomplished, and however cynical you may be that list is getting longer by the day. Delt, feel free to crawl back in the dank hole you came out of. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Helghus Resther Heisen Republic 68	Posted - 2015.01.19 13:10:00 - [78] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Sgt Arkena Merc for CPM 2 Not sure who that is. The winner of this war will not prove who's right; only, who's left.
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven 1039	Posted - 2015.01.19 13:27:00 - [79] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. Jesus H Christ, Rattati, please read that statement again and think about it a little bit? CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is CCP Rattati wrote: a ready gang of players who know the game intimately How, exactly, does a player "know the game intimately" if they don't play it? Laughing. My ******* Ass. Off. Well, to be fair, you guys at CCP manage to (lol) develop the game without playing it either, so I guess it's all relative Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 15161	Posted - 2015.01.19 13:27:00 - [80] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. I respect your perspective on this and have a serious question for you: How intimately does a CPM member know the game or player base you represent if you don't partake in the game regularly and/or remain a connected and active member of the community? To be clear, I greatly appreciate the amount of work the CPM does and for the most part it's very difficult to understand what exactly it is they do or how they are positively impacting things. I feel fairly informed since I happen to know several of them quite well and talk to them frequently but I'm better position than the large majority of the players. I don't think the OP's comments were necessarily fair or perhaps indicative of some of the CPMs level of commitment, however, I can see how this point of view could be reached. Dec / Jan is also a difficult period to get a sensing of game participation. That said, it could be telling if you look at longitudinal participation in the game when you are a player and wonder what the CPM does to help you, CCP, and the game writ large. I am a big proponent of the CSM / CPM system and I want it and Dust to work. I don't think things are broken as some might say and I can see the frustration when examining the CPM. I don't play the game much now-a-days, only a bit each update. The game practically barely changed each update, and the result of the changes tend to be (at least in my case) predictable. So if you had deep knowledge of the game from playing the game for years like I did, you still do as long as you take a refresher each update and keep up with the forums. It also helps that I am in 4 different DUST related Skype chats with a bunch of members of the community, including the CPM. tl;dr - Until something truly major happens, the CPM knowledge of the game is still very valid months after they last played the game, as long as they keep up with forum stuff and talk to other people, and check out each update. Exactly, especially if you are well connected on top of that. And for further insights, I keep close tabs on two other things, my own experience which is basically from the dawn of time as a dust player, CCP employee and 20 year veteran of FPS's, and the forums themselves. I know the status intimately as I spend a lot of time in the forums, reading and replying. The CPM is there as the third pillar, providing ideas, giving feedback, countering my own arguments and pointing out specifics that I have missed. On top of that, providing collections of community feedback such as the Logi design document, etc. I only pray that the next CPM will be as good as this one. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6752	Posted - 2015.01.19 13:28:00 - [81] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Went through my contacts and for monthly kills Zatara - 0 Judge Rhadamanthus - 0 Soraya Xel - 0 Iron Wolf Saber - 1 Kevall Long stride - 60 Cross atu - 146 Sir man boy - 510 I'm at least glad 2 of our 7 CPM members have been playing the game. Couple things... I'm not sure if you knew this, but we have 3 character slots per DUST 514 account. Yes, it's true, we can have alts. Life stuff happens. Moving, holidays, kids get sick, etc. I just finished driving from Texas and back; 30 hours in the car round trip. Ask me if I'm going to play Dust right now. **** no. Activity for almost every player tends to wane when we haven't had a patch/hotfix for a while. Dust 514 doesn't have PvE or even a full suite of gamemodes. What do you expect? I still see them on Skype and posting on the forums. They are involved in the community even if they aren't hopelessly grinding public dom matches. Just so you know, you lost any chance at a vote from me with this little mud slinging thread, Moss. Even if CPM1 was performing poorly, you don't post just to stir the pot. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Alaika Arbosa Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 2393	Posted - 2015.01.19 13:43:00 - [82] - Quote Maybe they just get murdered alot Like I did last night with a charge sniper rifle.... Amarr/Minmatar vehicles are OP (especially Minmatar speed tanks) ^The reason why CCP is afraid to release them
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6588	Posted - 2015.01.19 13:56:00 - [83] - Quote Maybe they play on alts so as not to get inundated by idiots wanting to cuss at them whenever their names appear. I've seen more dumbass crap directed towards the cpms in and out of game over crap they have no control over than I get in response to my traditional pre-battle blueberry sacrifice in FW. Or the random "because I feel like it" executions of blue dots mid firefight. Or when I destroy tanks or dropships or gleefully JLAV my daffy ass into the back of a gunnlogi. Or when I murder thale snipers, mass destroy aurum fits, shoot the enemy RE while the blue dot hacks for the five WP. None of any of my tear inducing tactics even come close to the vomit directed at the CPM over the dumbest crap. Makes you wonder why they bother listening to the forums at all. Also, found the logi tourist! Please cry directly into the bucket. -Ripley Riley
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 530	Posted - 2015.01.19 14:22:00 - [84] - Quote 1. I can get 146 kills in a 3hr session if not less, its really not hard to do 2. If they use alts then why bother in the 1st place in being elected as a community rep 2a. If they get hate mail, delete it and block them, again not hard 2b. If they want to play solo lock squad and if no talking to anyone no mic, again not hard 3. If you play you are at least upto date on a few things and can test out and see what something is like from the otherside
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5458	Posted - 2015.01.19 14:46:00 - [85] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Who do we talk to if we feel the CPM isn't advocating or representing us fairly / in a manner we'd like? The CPM2 ballot box. Aeon Amadi wrote: Here's why I'm not confident in the current CPM. Sorry I nerfed your class. (Not sorry./Wasn't even me./I like sniping too.) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 530	Posted - 2015.01.19 14:53:00 - [86] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Who do we talk to if we feel the CPM isn't advocating or representing us fairly / in a manner we'd like? The CPM2 ballot box. 1. There is the problem - We have to wait the best part of a year to get rid of people who are no longer intrested/playing other games and the chances are the next CPM will do exactly the same thing because they can get away with it and at the same time bag a free holiday 2. Should be allowed to recall members who are not doing anything and vote for someone else to take there place 3. Should put a option on the ballot to 'not have a CPM at all'
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5458	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:03:00 - [87] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. There is the problem - We have to wait the best part of a year to get rid of people who are no longer intrested/playing other games and the chances are the next CPM will do exactly the same thing because they can get away with it and at the same time bag a free holiday 2. Should be allowed to recall members who are not doing anything and vote for someone else to take there place 3. Should put a option on the ballot to 'not have a CPM at all' 1. Vote smart. And a work trip isn't really a free holiday. And currently nobody has gotten flown anywhere. 2. Not really. There's a lot of setup for a vote, and a vote for a seat at a time isn't worth it, and there's almost no point in re-filling a seat more than halfway through a term (CSM has been through this) as it takes time to get with the program. 3. There should absolutely always be a CPM. I would rather have a CPM of DNSBlack, BAMM HAVOC, CEOPyrex, and you than have no CPM at all. There are so many bad things the community will never have to contend with because the CPM exists to ensure they never happen. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Alaika Arbosa Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 2394	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:08:00 - [88] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. There is the problem - We have to wait the best part of a year to get rid of people who are no longer intrested/playing other games and the chances are the next CPM will do exactly the same thing because they can get away with it and at the same time bag a free holiday 2. Should be allowed to recall members who are not doing anything and vote for someone else to take there place 3. Should put a option on the ballot to 'not have a CPM at all' 1. Vote smart. And a work trip isn't really a free holiday. And currently nobody has gotten flown anywhere. 2. Not really. There's a lot of setup for a vote, and a vote for a seat at a time isn't worth it, and there's almost no point in re-filling a seat more than halfway through a term (CSM has been through this) as it takes time to get with the program. 3. There should absolutely always be a CPM. I would rather have a CPM of DNSBlack, BAMM HAVOC, CEOPyrex, and you than have no CPM at all. There are so many bad things the community will never have to contend with because the CPM exists to ensure they never happen. Lemme guess, NDA prevents you from telling us what exactly all of that is? Amirite? Amarr/Minmatar vehicles are OP (especially Minmatar speed tanks) ^The reason why CCP is afraid to release them
Yeeeuuuupppp Random Gunz 807	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:08:00 - [89] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Playtime has nothing to do with how useful the CPM is, I will say it again, it is incredibly important for us (and me personally) to have a ready gang of players who know the game intimately, on Skype or email, to bounce ideas or thoughts off of. I quite literally speak with them ten times a day. ^ I see IWS on occasionally in that devhangout channel and he answers my questions and cleared confusion about why it's called 1.10 instead of 2.0 xD See you on the flip side brother PSN: GMANCASH Come on innnnn
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1829	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:15:00 - [90] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: 3. There should absolutely always be a CPM. I would rather have a CPM of DNSBlack, BAMM HAVOC, CEOPyrex, and you than have no CPM at all. There are so many bad things the community will never have to contend with because the CPM exists to ensure they never happen. Heard it here first. Sora Xel endorses BAMM HAVOK for CPM2! TLDR : Last Dust Montage



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