After rolling a few alts I have to wager that 12 million SP is veteran enough. By then even with badly spent SP you should be able to be still rather effective in at least one role or two.

Looks like some great stuff and solves the age old of problem of trying to head off AFKing being something that hurts new players.

I would start low with the minimum WP threshold like 100 to 300 WP, see how it works, and then go from there.

Minimum 100-300, lol
Did I miss read it. I thought the minimum WP threshold is for vets not noobs.
Drop 8 uplinks and see you when the match is over. Later....Bye....Cya.....Enjoy your game.
The 800 i suggested is a joke for any logi.
Send out the memo if you want to afk or not try then deploy a logi and drop eq then sit in the red line.

I am very curious, though, what you consider this "next to impossible" amount of WP to be...

Make dust track the distance your character moves during the course of a match. If it's under X and you have less than Y kills, no SP and no ISK for you. Is it really that hard?

And what about that guy who spent the whole match single handedly holding one of the outside objectives, rather than running from objective to objective with everyone else like a bunch of 6th graders playing Soccer?

So now vets will no long be able to just guard a objective because if they do and nobody ever comes and attacks it they get nothing.
So no more tactics the game is being pushed to you run and gun or you get nothing.

Strongly disagree on that last point. Logis are more than capable of achieving 4000-5000 WPs in a very good match, even in PC. And why focus on logis? AV users and anti vehicle pilots can get upwards of 3000 WPs during a competitive match.

4500-5000 would be a more realistic number.

I rarely hit below 250 even during a stomp.

If you're new then you would be on a different value scale than myself.

I literally have no justifiable excuse for performance that poor even if I were solo against 16 nyain san.

It occurs to me that if WP directly effect how many Skill Points you earn, this may go a long way to reducing HMG Sentinel and Sniper spam. Only those who truly loved the role, or are really good at it would do it. It might be good for the game. We would probably end up with a massive number of bad Logi, but that is not as big a problem, as Logi are not a Slayer class.

Really interesting ideas CCP. I like the whole separation of sp earning for vets.

My recommendation for a threshold is 750.

It is an extremely easy score to earn for a vet player, even as an commando. I can't think of a role that wont earn this by the end of match if they are playing their role correctly.

1000 is not ridiculous but may be more difficult for sentinels, commandos, and drop ship pilots.

As an assault I struggle to break the points of any decent logi so being rewarded for trying will make me very happy.

Dear players,

we will be implementing the following change to Skill Point calculations

1) Two formulas, one for New Players and one for Veteran Players.

The New Players will be awarded more SP per BattleSecond and less per War Point, the reverse for Veterans. Now Veterans have a higher upside, but they need to do something in battle so AFKing will be rather worthless for Veterans. New Players will not be stuck in a situation they can't get out of, while they learn the game.

Attributes:
New Player Skill Points/BattleSecond = A (integer)
Veteran Player Skill Points/BattleSecond = B (integer)
New Player Skill Points/War Point = C (integer)
New Player Skill Points/War Point = D (integer)

2) To prevent War Point exploits, there will be diminishing returns above a certain number of War Points, a high number that is "next to impossible" to reach with normal gameplay

Attributes:
War Point Threshold = T (WP)
War Point Diminisher = P (%)

3) To prevent exploits, there will be no Skill Points granted to Veterans with less than minimum War Points.

Attributes:
Veteran Minimum War Point Threshold = M (WP)


Please discuss and propose numbers

I managed to get 0 WP in a battle recently and there were only 8 Nyan San on the other team. But that was a very rare occurrence resulting from a chain of really bad luck and circumstance.

I think 250 WP is the most reasonable minimum. Vet's trying their best will still fall under it sometimes, but it would be very unusual, while an AFK'er would have to exert a lot of effort to get 250 WP, which hopefully would be enough to undermine the whole point of AFKing.

Of course someone Dropping an Uplink under the MCC would probably get the 250 WP, but if that proves to be a problem, it can be dealt with separately.

That this idea is still a "thing" is beyond pathetic.

New players who begin a DUST careerpath have significantly more ways and option for significantly accelerated SP gains vs. what Vets have had.

I'm talking about-
Daily Login Bonuses (6k/day, 40k/week potential).
Daily Mission Rewards (2k-20k individually, way more if you do them all).
A 700k (!) weekly cap coupled with
The ability to TRIPLE STACK (!) boosters of the player's choice.
A Loyalty Market ripe with Suits, Weapons, Equipment and Mods that allow for advance use w/out skills.
An Academy gamemode that allows for learning of basic gameplay elements against other no/low skill noobs instead of the fully protoed TeamPlayers or Imperfects pubteams.

NewBerries need more? Fine.
But don't penalize me because they can't handle their ****.

This is a Persistent RPG Universe. That inherently means that a beginner will be SOL facing experienced vets. Just like any other game that pits a weaker character vs a stronger one.

DO NOT reward MY starting the game at its introduction, STAYING through all the "patches" and "hotfixes" that flip-flopped stats and values almost weekly, CONTINUING through even the craziest videogame debacle of recent industry history (looking at YOU, Rouge Wedding) with a now diminished ability to proceed forward. If I or ColdbloodedMax or ANYONE else, whatever their veteranstatus is, has an excellent game and posts up 10million-jillion WP we DESERVE the concurrent SP. Not some reduced total because of some social-science theory bs about advancement compared to those who HAVEN'T put in the time and energy.

I am astounded that as proposed this even made it off the drawing board and into the proposal pile.


If I order a hundred large pizzas from a pizza shop over time and then order a medium they DON'T send me a small, because I've always ordered larges.
If I go to the bar and order a hundred pitchers over time and then order a pint, they don't give me an 8oz glass.
If I study at a University, get a BS then an MS then a PHD, when I get my second PHD, they don't give me a Bachelors-they give me my second PHD!!


It has NEVER been EASIER to make huge SP gains in a short amount of time in DUST for "New" Players. Don't make it harder for Old Players now or you will find that in remodeling the restaraunt to attract more seasonal traffic you alienate and kill the local, regular traffic that KEEPS YOU IN BUSINESS LONG-TERM.