Dear players,

we will be implementing the following change to Skill Point calculations

1) Two formulas, one for New Players and one for Veteran Players.

The New Players will be awarded more SP per BattleSecond and less per War Point, the reverse for Veterans. Now Veterans have a higher upside, but they need to do something in battle so AFKing will be rather worthless for Veterans. New Players will not be stuck in a situation they can't get out of, while they learn the game.

Attributes:
New Player Skill Points/BattleSecond = A (integer)
Veteran Player Skill Points/BattleSecond = B (integer)
New Player Skill Points/War Point = C (integer)
New Player Skill Points/War Point = D (integer)

2) To prevent War Point exploits, there will be diminishing returns above a certain number of War Points, a high number that is "next to impossible" to reach with normal gameplay

Attributes:
War Point Threshold = T (WP)
War Point Diminisher = P (%)

3) To prevent exploits, there will be no Skill Points granted to Veterans with less than minimum War Points.

Attributes:
Veteran Minimum War Point Threshold = M (WP)


Please discuss and propose numbers

I managed to get 0 WP in a battle recently and there were only 8 Nyan San on the other team. But that was a very rare occurrence resulting from a chain of really bad luck and circumstance.

I think 250 WP is the most reasonable minimum. Vet's trying their best will still fall under it sometimes, but it would be very unusual, while an AFK'er would have to exert a lot of effort to get 250 WP, which hopefully would be enough to undermine the whole point of AFKing.

Of course someone Dropping an Uplink under the MCC would probably get the 250 WP, but if that proves to be a problem, it can be dealt with separately.

Do you not also benefit from all the faster ways to gain SP? Or do you have EVERYTHING at lvl 5 Yes, just like everyone else, I benefit from the methods I choose to make the effort for.

When you started did you need an academy to teach you how to play because so many others had 50+ million SP? Need? Hell yeah it was needed. Did I learn to adapt and make do without it BY facing what were essentially the games beta testers and their significant SP advantage on a regular basis in pubs? Yes, I did.

If your playing for the RPG value should you not be in FW or PC? You know where winning and losing matters? I am active in both, regularly. Also, I am a member of the "NoFullProtoInPubs" minority of gameplayers, and have been for a very, very long time.

If you order a large pizza do they bring you a extra large? FW and PC matches are having squad size increased
If you order a pint do they bring you a pitcher? FW and PC matches are having squad size increased
Do they give you a 2nd phd for only getting 1? FW and PC matches are having squad size increased None of this makes any relevant sense to the topic here. Is the comparison that somehow increasing the number of people in a squad will offset or compensate for the loss of SP accrual for being an experienced player? I wasn't aware of squad size changes but aside from OB aquisition (which experienced squads don't have a ton of issue with) the point is ? insofar as diminshed SP rewards go?

Some times you need to alienate those regulars because they are douche bags and running off new potential paying customers as they hang out all day and only order a soda.
[b] Newsflash, business 101: You NEVER eliminate an existing revenue stream in favor of a hypothetical one. Will new people MAYBE come, MAYBE pay? MAYBE. Are the existing guys there paying? Yes, so don't **** them off OR No, in which case f' em.



[Wrong thread but still fits a little with the topic] Noobs need a way to catch up and I see nothing wrong with changes to be made to allow it.

I was referring to El Operator. He seems really upset.

@ El Operator

Many of us vets didn't have to contend with people who had 40, 50, and 60 million SP and millions and billions of ISK stashed away.

The NPE is attrocious, and I think that fixing skill points in this way prevents vets from AFKing, and gives noobs some legs to stand on.

As a vet, you should be happy CCP is trying to make this game better. That they are trying to retain new people and bring in vets who have left because the game was so imperfect.

CCP has given vets who have stuck around through all the problems hope that our time and efforts in game were not in vain.

Being upset because improvements are being made and that new players won't have to go through the same was inevitable if any progress whatsoever was made, and is the result of our continued efforts.

Being indignant about that eventuality, in my opinion, is petty and small minded.

I still don't understand what all the fuss is about ...

* Implement a baseline activity requirement to deter AFK
* Safeguard the newbros from said baseline requirement

^ What is fundamentally wrong with this concept?

"... there will be diminishing returns above a certain number of War Points, a high number that is "next to impossible" to reach with normal gameplay..."