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pumping up Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:04:00 - [61] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: How often is a "vet" not in the too 8? How often do you personally join a game in the last 3-5 minutes?
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven 1020	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:06:00 - [62] - Quote pumping up wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: pumping up wrote: Quote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: Sorry, I tried really hard so far but it just -seems- impossible to me. Though I saw people abusing shooting for 5k WP maybe those are enough for that. Abusing shooting? What? No, that was worded poorly. Someone abused the game to rack up 5k WP. (No kills no deaths on both sides - with same corp) Yes, ok, I get you now. Sure, there are people who do that. But high WP doesn't mean that someone was exploiting, those cases are the minority (at least in my experience). The so called impossible 3k+, 4k+, 5k+ etc. WP games are far from impossible without exploiting, but like I said, it's not going to happen every game. I take your word for it. I just wanted to emphasize that the rewards shouldn't be set in the masters (boosters) league. The reward for that mission was a decryptor or two :( I feel your pain, I only get offered keys (the rare time I do) for activating instant boosters :( Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
voidfaction Nos Nothi 956	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:06:00 - [63] - Quote pumping up wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: voidfaction wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: pumping up wrote: What is your target ? Will vets have more/less or the same SP payout as now? While at that, could you please remove the 10k+ sp in a single match missions? So far I think I've only gotten very close to the 10k but I had one mission with 17k .... never going to happen without exploits. Not true. Is quite doable, not easy, not going to happen every game, but is doable without exploits. Unless playing to win is an exploit. Now, is it doable by every player in the game? Probably not. It's all about Boosters Boosters Boosters. Spend your money and you can be a winner too Oh, doing it with boosters would be easy, I meant without. Sorry, I tried really hard so far but it just -seems- impossible to me. Though I saw people abusing shooting for 5k WP maybe those are enough for that. Sure some of the really high SP missions are possible without boosters but I would say the point is to get you to spend your money. It is just like the missions for activate 3 instant boosters. They want you to spend money. If you can't kill them scan them. Meta 13 Proto Stomp G-I Scout
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge 754	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:08:00 - [64] - Quote Example of pub stomp: 1) 2500 2) 2100 3) 1800 4) 1500 5) 1500 6)1300 7) 1100 8) 900 9) 850 10) 750 11) 600 12) 550 13) 500 14) 350 15) 250 16) 75 Median= 909 and mean= 1123 A vet should be easily within 50% of the lowest, being the median Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
voidfaction Nos Nothi 956	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:20:00 - [65] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: Example of pub stomp: 1) 2500 2) 2100 3) 1800 4) 1500 5) 1500 6)1300 7) 1100 8) 900 9) 850 10) 750 11) 600 12) 550 13) 500 14) 350 15) 250 16) 75 Median= 909 and mean= 1123 A vet should be easily within 50% of the lowest, being the median I guess you have not seen a real pub stomp. I have been in matches were nobody on the team had over 1000. Or is your example showing the team doing the pub stomping? If you can't kill them scan them. Meta 13 Proto Stomp G-I Scout
Unit-775 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 69	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:23:00 - [66] - Quote no Skill Points granted to Veterans with less than minimum War Points ? and Scotty putting us in matches wich are neraly done ? so if a Team stomps the other and people start leaving what would i do if i get put into this match ? Quit the Match asap because its a waste of time !
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge 754	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:29:00 - [67] - Quote voidfaction wrote: Bright Steel wrote: Example of pub stomp: 1) 2500 2) 2100 3) 1800 4) 1500 5) 1500 6)1300 7) 1100 8) 900 9) 850 10) 750 11) 600 12) 550 13) 500 14) 350 15) 250 16) 75 Median= 909 and mean= 1123 A vet should be easily within 50% of the lowest, being the median I guess you have not seen a real pub stomp. I have been in matches were nobody on the team had over 1000. Or is your example showing the team doing the pub stomping? This would the stomping side showing that it would work even for vets not on the stomping squad. The stompee side would have those score variations but cut in half or possible a thirds. The mean/median would still work... Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
pumping up Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:32:00 - [68] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: voidfaction wrote: Bright Steel wrote: Example of pub stomp: 1) 2500 2) 2100 3) 1800 4) 1500 5) 1500 6)1300 7) 1100 8) 900 9) 850 10) 750 11) 600 12) 550 13) 500 14) 350 15) 250 16) 75 Median= 909 and mean= 1123 A vet should be easily within 50% of the lowest, being the median I guess you have not seen a real pub stomp. I have been in matches were nobody on the team had over 1000. Or is your example showing the team doing the pub stomping? This would the stomping side showing that it would work even for vets not on the stomping squad. The stompee side would have those score variations but cut in half or possible a thirds. The mean/median would still work... This still assumes that there are no people who are just plain bad. Not the best myself but I'm sure there are people who just CAN'T get that much WP. What about them? Also I made my char in closed beta and collected 17m sp passively - I would have been a "vet" by that standard. First 20 games or so I was surely horrible!!!
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge 754	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:33:00 - [69] - Quote Unit-775 wrote: no Skill Points granted to Veterans with less than minimum War Points ? and Scotty putting us in matches wich are neraly done ? so if a Team stomps the other and people start leaving what would i do if i get put into this match ? Quit the Match asap because its a waste of time ! An additional variable could be time in battle. Say threshold for particle battle was 500 You joined for the last 25% of match (half Sheilds) that's only 125WP for a vet. Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
voidfaction Nos Nothi 956	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:34:00 - [70] - Quote Unit-775 wrote: no Skill Points granted to Veterans with less than minimum War Points ? and Scotty putting us in matches wich are neraly done ? so if a Team stomps the other and people start leaving what would i do if i get put into this match ? Quit the Match asap because its a waste of time ! I seem to get put in the same match after quiting them. 2 days ago I quit the same match 4 times in a row. Learning to use the playstation Quit Game option and playing something else works best. CCP is not going to fix match making. If you can't kill them scan them. Meta 13 Proto Stomp G-I Scout

Bright Steel Horizons' Edge 754	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:37:00 - [71] - Quote pumping up wrote: Bright Steel wrote: voidfaction wrote: Bright Steel wrote: Example of pub stomp: 1) 2500 2) 2100 3) 1800 4) 1500 5) 1500 6)1300 7) 1100 8) 900 9) 850 10) 750 11) 600 12) 550 13) 500 14) 350 15) 250 16) 75 Median= 909 and mean= 1123 A vet should be easily within 50% of the lowest, being the median I guess you have not seen a real pub stomp. I have been in matches were nobody on the team had over 1000. Or is your example showing the team doing the pub stomping? This would the stomping side showing that it would work even for vets not on the stomping squad. The stompee side would have those score variations but cut in half or possible a thirds. The mean/median would still work... This still assumes that there are no people who are just plain bad. Not the best myself but I'm sure there are people who just CAN'T get that much WP. What about them? Also I made my char in closed beta and collected 17m sp passively - I would have been a "vet" by that standard. First 20 games or so I was surely horrible!!! That is assuming a vet is classified by X amount of SP Could use MU or lifetime WP or all the above. Though I do believe WP would be the better gauge of vet status, either lifetime or battle average... Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge 754	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:42:00 - [72] - Quote voidfaction wrote: Unit-775 wrote: no Skill Points granted to Veterans with less than minimum War Points ? and Scotty putting us in matches wich are neraly done ? so if a Team stomps the other and people start leaving what would i do if i get put into this match ? Quit the Match asap because its a waste of time ! I seem to get put in the same match after quiting them. 2 days ago I quit the same match 4 times in a row. Learning to use the playstation Quit Game option and playing something else works best. CCP is not going to fix match making. Fixing match making will depend much on fixing risk/reward. If I'm up against a stomp, why will I run good gear and loose it? You could have a well balanced match, but if one side loses will to fight then you have a stomp... I've had good even fights turn into stomps cause my team lost the will to push and scattered. Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge 754	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:57:00 - [73] - Quote pumping up wrote: Bright Steel wrote: How often is a "vet" not in the too 8? How often do you personally join a game in the last 3-5 minutes? Referring to individuals playing full matches. See post ^ about additional variable based on time in match. Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18297	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:02:00 - [74] - Quote Guys guys guys The goal is to stop afkers not punish scrubs keep this in mind. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5739	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:10:00 - [75] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Put a x100-1000 multiplier on WP rewards for ISK. If you're simply breathing on the battlefield you get a consolation prize of 10k ISK. this should be implemented for veterans above the 10m mark. SP rewards based on WP for vets is excellent. Please make it happen. But for ISK rewards, keeping it simple keeps it difficult to deny the enemy a payout by fielding the most cheapsh** things you can. The more simple the equation the less variables there are to screw up the game. But separating vets from newbies is a good thing on the rewards scale. One of the problems with the rewards is payouts do not escalate with experience and skill. They also fail to punish people who should know better for screwing off. I wish I could like this more than once Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
voidfaction Nos Nothi 958	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:10:00 - [76] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Guys guys guys The goal is to stop afkers not punish scrubs keep this in mind. It punishes scrubs like me. I did not get rich cheating the PC payouts. I don't believe in running in full proto squads in pubs even if I had the isk to do so. The proto stomps are one of the reasons I do not try in matches. You want to get rid of afkers fine but give them a reason to want to try because going into a proto stomp is not going to get them to try it is going to get them to just quit the game altogether. Fix match making to put the proto stompers with proto stompers and afkers with afkers. FIX MATCH MAKING so I want to try If you can't kill them scan them. Meta 13 Proto Stomp G-I Scout
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5739	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:11:00 - [77] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Guys guys guys The goal is to stop afkers not punish scrubs keep this in mind. A lot of people are scrubs because it's more profitable in pubs to scrub around than push for the win. To me it's one and the same. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
Brush Master Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1398	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:15:00 - [78] - Quote I guess my only concern is, how hard will this hit dropship pilots who already are low on the WP boards due to the role not having as many ways to earn WP? Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5739	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:15:00 - [79] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: voidfaction wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: 3) To prevent exploits, there will be no Skill Points granted to Veterans with less than minimum War Points. Attributes: Veteran Minimum War Point Threshold = M (WP) Please discuss and propose numbers 800 higher if you add WP for team scan kills for solo players like me. In 50 clone ambush? Really? But anyway, stating the obvious here, the threshold has to be different for different game modes. CCP Rattati wrote: 2) To prevent War Point exploits, there will be diminishing returns above a certain number of War Points, a high number that is "next to impossible" to reach with normal gameplay I am very curious, though, what you consider this "next to impossible" amount of WP to be... In a hard fought domination it's not hard to get around 5000 WP Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
Darth-Carbonite GIO Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 1584	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:16:00 - [80] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Guys guys guys The goal is to stop afkers not punish scrubs keep this in mind. And I think this system will manage that quite handily. I'm saying the net should be thrown wide enough to benefit new players, while also properly rewarding those that achieve the entirely possible scores of 3000 - 5000. This can cater to both sides, and benefit us all while removing the undesired element of AFKing. GIMMIE MY PINK LAZOR

Darth-Carbonite GIO Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 1584	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:20:00 - [81] - Quote Brush Master wrote: I guess my only concern is, how hard will this hit dropship pilots who already are low on the WP boards due to the role not having as many ways to earn WP? I'm not sure what you're talking about. Assault dropships, while being extremely weak to AV, can achieve just as many Warpoints as your average slayer. Pretty much depends on the pilot. But if you meant ordinary dropship pilots, well, there haven't been very many incentives for them ever. GIMMIE MY PINK LAZOR
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5740	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:20:00 - [82] - Quote voidfaction wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Guys guys guys The goal is to stop afkers not punish scrubs keep this in mind. It punishes scrubs like me. I did not get rich cheating the PC payouts. I don't believe in running in full proto squads in pubs even if I had the isk to do so. The proto stomps are one of the reasons I do not try in matches. You want to get rid of afkers fine but give them a reason to want to try because going into a proto stomp is not going to get them to try it is going to get them to just quit the game altogether. Fix match making to put the proto stompers with proto stompers and afkers with afkers. FIX MATCH MAKING so I want to try Back in the beta days you had a LOT of crazy good players. You'd see the Imps, Zion, STB, PFBHz, etc and you knew you were in for a stomp. But you squaded up (there was actually auto squading back in those days) and did your best. I took it as a learning experience. Now people just cry and deploy solo, derping around if they assume it's going to be a difficult fight. I'm not sure I understand why a person would even turn on a FPS with that attitude. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9208	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:24:00 - [83] - Quote What exactly is the maximum WP cap because I've gotten more than 3000 WP easily in long enough matches and Orion Definitely stays in this range in Domination and Skirmish. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1024	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:29:00 - [84] - Quote It's not hard to earn 2-3k WP if you're being useful and skilled. If you want a hard limit to prevent boosting that almost no ones reaches I'd say 7500. If you don't mind a few going over the limit and not earning extra SP I would say 5000. Personally I'd set the cap at 5k. Regarding the low limit I'd argue at least 100 WP for vets with 250WP being the highest I'd personally consider. Overlord of Broman
voidfaction Nos Nothi 959	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:32:00 - [85] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: voidfaction wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Guys guys guys The goal is to stop afkers not punish scrubs keep this in mind. It punishes scrubs like me. I did not get rich cheating the PC payouts. I don't believe in running in full proto squads in pubs even if I had the isk to do so. The proto stomps are one of the reasons I do not try in matches. You want to get rid of afkers fine but give them a reason to want to try because going into a proto stomp is not going to get them to try it is going to get them to just quit the game altogether. Fix match making to put the proto stompers with proto stompers and afkers with afkers. FIX MATCH MAKING so I want to try Back in the beta days you had a LOT of crazy good players. You'd see the Imps, Zion, STB, PFBHz, etc and you knew you were in for a stomp. But you squaded up (there was actually auto squading back in those days) and did your best. I took it as a learning experience. Now people just cry and deploy solo, derping around if they assume it's going to be a difficult fight. I'm not sure I understand why a person would even turn on a FPS with that attitude. in the beta days, lol back when everyone was low SP and proto suits was more like a basic proto suit is now. Tell us the stories of the proto stomps in beta with the 100 million SP vets in proto squads with each other facing a team of randoms. If you can't kill them scan them. Meta 13 Proto Stomp G-I Scout
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5740	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:35:00 - [86] - Quote voidfaction wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: voidfaction wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Guys guys guys The goal is to stop afkers not punish scrubs keep this in mind. It punishes scrubs like me. I did not get rich cheating the PC payouts. I don't believe in running in full proto squads in pubs even if I had the isk to do so. The proto stomps are one of the reasons I do not try in matches. You want to get rid of afkers fine but give them a reason to want to try because going into a proto stomp is not going to get them to try it is going to get them to just quit the game altogether. Fix match making to put the proto stompers with proto stompers and afkers with afkers. FIX MATCH MAKING so I want to try Back in the beta days you had a LOT of crazy good players. You'd see the Imps, Zion, STB, PFBHz, etc and you knew you were in for a stomp. But you squaded up (there was actually auto squading back in those days) and did your best. I took it as a learning experience. Now people just cry and deploy solo, derping around if they assume it's going to be a difficult fight. I'm not sure I understand why a person would even turn on a FPS with that attitude. in the beta days, lol back when everyone was low SP and proto suits was more like a basic proto suit is now. Tell us the stories of the proto stomps in beta with the 100 million SP vets in proto squads with each other facing a team of randoms. You can't bring 100 mil SP to the field at one time no matter how hard you try. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
voidfaction Nos Nothi 959	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:45:00 - [87] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: voidfaction wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: voidfaction wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Guys guys guys The goal is to stop afkers not punish scrubs keep this in mind. It punishes scrubs like me. I did not get rich cheating the PC payouts. I don't believe in running in full proto squads in pubs even if I had the isk to do so. The proto stomps are one of the reasons I do not try in matches. You want to get rid of afkers fine but give them a reason to want to try because going into a proto stomp is not going to get them to try it is going to get them to just quit the game altogether. Fix match making to put the proto stompers with proto stompers and afkers with afkers. FIX MATCH MAKING so I want to try Back in the beta days you had a LOT of crazy good players. You'd see the Imps, Zion, STB, PFBHz, etc and you knew you were in for a stomp. But you squaded up (there was actually auto squading back in those days) and did your best. I took it as a learning experience. Now people just cry and deploy solo, derping around if they assume it's going to be a difficult fight. I'm not sure I understand why a person would even turn on a FPS with that attitude. in the beta days, lol back when everyone was low SP and proto suits was more like a basic proto suit is now. Tell us the stories of the proto stomps in beta with the 100 million SP vets in proto squads with each other facing a team of randoms. You can't bring 100 mil SP to the field at one time no matter how hard you try. You can bring 2 years of experience with full REAL proto suit, weapon, and mods and the ability to switch to a fully different REAL proto role when needed. How many people had 4+ fully proto roles in beta with 2 years experience in this game? And you think putting a squad of 8 Vets now in a match of randoms is fair and you don't understand why people do not want to try. If you can't kill them scan them. Meta 13 Proto Stomp G-I Scout
MEDICO RITARDATO Dead Man's Game RUST415 440	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:47:00 - [88] - Quote Edit. Misunderstood, im a scrub The pen is on the table. TheD1CK is a scrub.
james jared Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 97	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:05:00 - [89] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: voidfaction wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: 3) To prevent exploits, there will be no Skill Points granted to Veterans with less than minimum War Points. Attributes: Veteran Minimum War Point Threshold = M (WP) Please discuss and propose numbers 800 higher if you add WP for team scan kills for solo players like me. In 50 clone ambush? Really? But anyway, stating the obvious here, the threshold has to be different for different game modes. CCP Rattati wrote: 2) To prevent War Point exploits, there will be diminishing returns above a certain number of War Points, a high number that is "next to impossible" to reach with normal gameplay I am very curious, though, what you consider this "next to impossible" amount of WP to be... Numbers significantly higher than 2500 are deeply hard to hut without being a logi spammer. Anything above 3000 is impossible without boosting or being in the top 0.5% native shooter badass player category. Since they are outliers they should not be used as a balancing factor. Lol as a logi I get games where I push 8000 wp in a fight. Thats just being a good logi. I did over 9000 wp top game I have played. 2000 to 3000 wp is prity easy to hit in a dom or skim as long as u have a squad to work with. I have solo played and got a 5000 wp warbarge strike my self many times. So it is not impossible to get high levels of wp if ur a logi. As other roles that kind of wp is really hard to hit.
Celus Ivara DUST University Ivy League 268	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:49:00 - [90] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Attributes: New Player Skill Points/BattleSecond = A (integer) Veteran Player Skill Points/BattleSecond = B (integer) New Player Skill Points/War Point = C (integer) New Player Skill Points/War Point = D (integer) Minor point of order, I think you mean: Quote: New Player Skill Points/War Point = C (integer) Veteran Player Skill Points/War Point = D (integer) For numbers, I'd say a moderately well played, average length Skirmish should award about 7000SP (before boosters). A very well played Skirm should hit about 10,000SP. Let's say an "average length Skirmish" is 15min (I actually don't know how long it is, some metrics would be nice here). So at 900 seconds, a moderately well performing player should be getting about 7.7¦à SP per second. I'm going to do a design hack here, and presume the 80/20 Rule is a design goal for us. So let's randomly say a new player gets 80% of their SP from match time and 20% from WP, and the vet is the inverse of that. For a battle rewarding 7000SP this breaks into: NP: 5600SP from match-time. Vet: 1400SP from match-time. So if those are the numbers we want to see from a 900 second battle: for "New Player Skill Points/BattleSecond" we'd want a value of 6.2 , and for "Veteran Player Skill Points/BattleSecond" we'd want a value of about 1.6 . (A note here, these variables are presently set to integers. Can we change that to a float? When dealing with numbers these small, granularity would be nice.) Now for WP to SP, we're going to be forced to do some *wild* guesses at numbers. First, what is the cut-off between "New Player" and "Vet"? Let's randomly say 12 million SP. So, the group of players under 12mil SP, let's guess they get in the range of 0WP to 1500WP in a Skirmish. For the group of players over 12mil SP, they might get in the range of 400WP to 3000WP in a Skirmish. Let's grab the mid-point of those two numbers and go with: "New Players" (heavy quotes) pull 750WP a match. "Vets" (very heavy quotes) pull 1700WP a match. So if we go with the goal of an average 7000SP a match, and the 80/20 Rule: "New Players" would get 1400SP from WP. "Vets" would get 5600SP from WP. Using the (highly arbitrary) mid-point values above: "New Player Skill Points/War Point" would be 1.87 . "Veteran Player Skill Points/War Point" would be 3.29 . So let's double-check these values and look at the SP ranges for the Skirm WP performance ranges presumed above. New Players: 0WP in Skirmish = 5600SP + (0WP * 1.87) = 5600 SP 750WP in Skirmish = 5600SP + (750WP * 1.87) = 7003 SP 1500WP in Skirmish = 5600SP + (1500WP * 1.87) = 8405 SP Vets: 400WP in Skirmish = 1400SP + (400WP * 3.29) = 2716 SP 1700WP in Skirmish = 1400SP + (1700WP * 3.29) = 6993 SP 3000WP in Skirmish = 1400SP + (3000WP * 3.29) = 11,270 SP And some of those numbers sound insane, right?! A 750WP player moving from the New Player tier to the Vet tier will instantly go from a respectable 7000SP to a demoralizing 3880SP. Players who joined in Beta, but have only been playing occasionally will be instantly thrown into the Vet pool and getting similarly depressing rewards. I think the main problem here is that two tiers is far too stark to meaningfully represent the vast gradient of skill levels in the playerbase. Like others here have proposed, I'd like to see this pushed to a more multi-tiered system. 1 - Recruit - Brand new to Dust, most still in Academy, still figuring out how the game works. 2 - - Understand the basics of the game, working on learning and building into roles. 3 - Mid Tier - Specialized fully into a role and has several half-finished side roles, learning map strategies. 4 - - Multiple roles that can be switched into, has a pretty good understanding of strategies. 5 - God Tier - Highend PC ringers, masterful understanding of most every role and strategy, only ever lose to other God Tier. Alternatively, we could do away with the idea of stark tiers all together, and have a sliding scale where the more SP you have, the more you are pushed to the WP-focused reward end of the algorithm. One final note about tiering: There are situations in which a player is high SP, but low in WP earning ability. Since we don't want to lose the since of reward that is the SP payout, some people here have suggested moving to a more skill focused system to deternine where you should be placed in the tiers. On the surface this sounds good, but there is a big problem in that the main purpose of this system is to hinder the reward for AFKing. Since a dedicated AFK character will in most cases have a low ++ (mu), then they will always be placed in the lowest tier, receiving the hgiest SP reward for time, and thus we'd miss a massive amount of the AFKers. We will still catch people AFKing on their main, though, and that is something. CCP Rattati wrote: War Point Threshold = T (WP) Veteran Minimum War Point Threshold = M (WP) I'd suggest making these a factor of time spent in battle. Good values for T & M will in Skirm will be bad in Ambush. Also, Scotty putting you in battles that are 50%+ over is already unfun enough. The idea of being put in a battle with not enough time to hit the minimum WP threshold will be highly upsetting to players. To start to offer some input on values, though, I tend to pull around 2000WP in a Skirmish, and on a few perfect matches I've hit 3000WP. And I know that A-tier Logis can get into the high 3000's when the stars align. For a Skirmish played beginning to end, a safe value for T would probably be 4000WP. And in that same situation, a value of about 200 would probably be a safe value for M. For P if we're working with "safe" values for the other constants, I'm happy going with something aggressive for the diminisher. I'd put the "War Point Diminisher" at 50%; maybe harsher.



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