Thought this thread was about eliminating AFK.
Who would moan about that?

I thought I hit the suggestion squad size thread notification.

I was referring to El Operator. He seems really upset.

Do you not also benefit from all the faster ways to gain SP? Or do you have EVERYTHING at lvl 5 Yes, just like everyone else, I benefit from the methods I choose to make the effort for.

When you started did you need an academy to teach you how to play because so many others had 50+ million SP? Need? Hell yeah it was needed. Did I learn to adapt and make do without it BY facing what were essentially the games beta testers and their significant SP advantage on a regular basis in pubs? Yes, I did.

If your playing for the RPG value should you not be in FW or PC? You know where winning and losing matters? I am active in both, regularly. Also, I am a member of the "NoFullProtoInPubs" minority of gameplayers, and have been for a very, very long time.

If you order a large pizza do they bring you a extra large? FW and PC matches are having squad size increased
If you order a pint do they bring you a pitcher? FW and PC matches are having squad size increased
Do they give you a 2nd phd for only getting 1? FW and PC matches are having squad size increased None of this makes any relevant sense to the topic here. Is the comparison that somehow increasing the number of people in a squad will offset or compensate for the loss of SP accrual for being an experienced player? I wasn't aware of squad size changes but aside from OB aquisition (which experienced squads don't have a ton of issue with) the point is ? insofar as diminshed SP rewards go?

Some times you need to alienate those regulars because they are douche bags and running off new potential paying customers as they hang out all day and only order a soda.
[b] Newsflash, business 101: You NEVER eliminate an existing revenue stream in favor of a hypothetical one. Will new people MAYBE come, MAYBE pay? MAYBE. Are the existing guys there paying? Yes, so don't **** them off OR No, in which case f' em.



[Wrong thread but still fits a little with the topic] Noobs need a way to catch up and I see nothing wrong with changes to be made to allow it.

I was referring to El Operator. He seems really upset.

@ El Operator

Many of us vets didn't have to contend with people who had 40, 50, and 60 million SP and millions and billions of ISK stashed away.

The NPE is attrocious, and I think that fixing skill points in this way prevents vets from AFKing, and gives noobs some legs to stand on.

As a vet, you should be happy CCP is trying to make this game better. That they are trying to retain new people and bring in vets who have left because the game was so imperfect.

CCP has given vets who have stuck around through all the problems hope that our time and efforts in game were not in vain.

Being upset because improvements are being made and that new players won't have to go through the same was inevitable if any progress whatsoever was made, and is the result of our continued efforts.

Being indignant about that eventuality, in my opinion, is petty and small minded.

This thread is about restructuring SP generation to both help the NPE as well as punish AFK. Both of which are entirely noble and worthwhile goals. I'm upset, yes, because the proposal as is presents as a conerstone the idea that "Veteran" players will accrue SP at a slower ratio per WarPoint once their WP total exceeds a certain amount. That is my problem with this proposal. I am being penalized for having spent the last 2 years playing this game and supporting CCP financially through this game. And its crazy to me that anyone who can think past what happens at 15 or 25M SP, or w/e the final definition of a "Vet" becomes, would consider this a good idea. You idiots are perpetuating the grind onto yourselves which I wouldn't care about EXCEPT you're perpetuating it for me too! You folks are advocating to have your own progression hamstrung at the higher levels on some false premise that doing so will suddenly 180-¦ the NPE!!
You want to 180-¦ the NPE? Add those guides that were proposed that were ideafarmed for content a couple months back!! Even out the matchmaking!! AutoSquad Noobs based on their SP! And a hundred other ideas the forums have proposed in the last two years. Extend the Academy some more, add a tier to it that noobs can go back into which is Meta-controlled and SP capped until they're farther along! Add Meta-level capped gamemodes!! etc etc etc. But don't start ******* with my progression or it's rate, I earned my progress and deserve to be able to continue progressing unimpeded moving forward.
Unless these "New Players" are automatically allocated 50million SP and 2 years familiarity and experience in the game they aren't going to be evenly keeled with me or Vets like me anyways . What there'll be, is New Players paying less in both time and MONEY to receive more while individuals such as myself STOP paying altogether, since continuing progression will NOT be worth it. We'll just rack our passive (till that dissappears b/c, y' know, passive SP is OP) so we have something to spend on the rare occasion we actually decide to turn the game on and play.

1) Two formulas, one for New Players and one for Veteran Players.

The New Players will be awarded more SP per BattleSecond and less per War Point, the reverse for Veterans. Now Veterans have a higher upside, but they need to do something in battle so AFKing will be rather worthless for Veterans. New Players will not be stuck in a situation they can't get out of, while they learn the game.

Attributes:
New Player Skill Points/BattleSecond = A (integer)
Veteran Player Skill Points/BattleSecond = B (integer)
New Player Skill Points/War Point = C (integer)
New Player Skill Points/War Point = D (integer)

I still don't understand what all the fuss is about ...

* Implement a baseline activity requirement to deter AFK
* Safeguard the newbros from said baseline requirement

^ What is fundamentally wrong with this concept?

"... there will be diminishing returns above a certain number of War Points, a high number that is "next to impossible" to reach with normal gameplay..."

I am exceptionally leery of the



part for Veterans, since CCP has shown time after time, patch after patch, fix after fix, that they have little to no real concept of what goes for "normal gameplay" outside of the test server. You want to cap SP after a certain WP level for the guys who spent the time to learn AND the time to be able to build the fits to succeed? That is some garbage right there. But a "New" player accrues hand over fist? I'm calling BS on this part of this idea, right now.

Ahhh. I took this to mean we'd mechanically safeguard against boosting. Though I do remember Djinn Marauder triggering a "booster guard" through legitimate play sometime back. Then again, that was the old dev team :-)

Some people boost, and there are even more pub stompers out there. I don't see why we should jump to drastic conclusions before we know what the upper limit is. I think that both boosters and pub stompers are something that I would encourage to have drastically reduced if done in a reasonable manner.

Numbers significantly higher than 2500 are deeply hard to hut without being a logi spammer.

Anything above 3000 is impossible without boosting or being in the top 0.5% native shooter badass player category. Since they are outliers they should not be used as a balancing factor.

Staggered over time makes alot of sense.maybe

1) 0-5 million Rrookie
2) 5-8 million Seasoned
3) 8-10 million Vet
4) 10-12 million Seasoned Vet
5) 12 million + Experienced Vet

Something like this?