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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.14 15:43:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:
3) To prevent exploits, there will be no Skill Points granted to Veterans with less than minimum War Points.
Attributes:
Veteran Minimum War Point Threshold = M (WP)
Please discuss and propose numbers
800 higher if you add WP for team scan kills for solo players like me.
You jerk! As a Sentinel I only occasionally get above 800 WP.
Overall I like Rattati's proposal though.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.14 15:45:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:After rolling a few alts I have to wager that 12 million SP is veteran enough. By then even with badly spent SP you should be able to be still rather effective in at least one role or two.
Agreed.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.14 15:46:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Looks like some great stuff and solves the age old of problem of trying to head off AFKing being something that hurts new players.
I would start low with the minimum WP threshold like 100 to 300 WP, see how it works, and then go from there.
This is more reasonable. Even as a Sentinel I can usually break 300 WP.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2015.01.14 15:53:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Looks like some great stuff and solves the age old of problem of trying to head off AFKing being something that hurts new players.
I would start low with the minimum WP threshold like 100 to 300 WP, see how it works, and then go from there. Agreed. We want this to a gradual step change to players can get used to it. Minimum 100-300, lol Did I miss read it. I thought the minimum WP threshold is for vets not noobs. Drop 8 uplinks and see you when the match is over. Later....Bye....Cya.....Enjoy your game. The 800 i suggested is a joke for any logi. Send out the memo if you want to afk or not try then deploy a logi and drop eq then sit in the red line. 
This is why many Sentinels come to hate Logi... this and being yelled at and being considered just another piece of their equipment on the end of a leash getting them War Points.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.14 15:55:00 -
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Zaria Min Deir wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:
2) To prevent War Point exploits, there will be diminishing returns above a certain number of War Points, a high number that is "next to impossible" to reach with normal gameplay
I am very curious, though, what you consider this "next to impossible" amount of WP to be...
Over 9000? 
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.14 15:59:00 -
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sammus420 wrote:Make dust track the distance your character moves during the course of a match. If it's under X and you have less than Y kills, no SP and no ISK for you. Is it really that hard?
And what about that guy who spent the whole match single handedly holding one of the outside objectives, rather than running from objective to objective with everyone else like a bunch of 6th graders playing Soccer?
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.14 16:13:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:So now vets will no long be able to just guard a objective because if they do and nobody ever comes and attacks it they get nothing.
So no more tactics the game is being pushed to you run and gun or you get nothing.
While this is a good point, there are usually some opportunities to gain WP. If the minimum was 300 you would definitely have the occasional game where you are defending and no one shows up, where you end up not getting anything out of it, but it would not be a regular occurrence. It might make stopping to hack a Supply Depot or Turret at the beginning of the game more important though, just to make it easier for certain classes to reach the minimum.
I think my average WP per match is probably around 620 WP as a semi competent Sentinel (When not squad leading). Like you I tend to take on the Point Defense role, even when my squad are elsewhere racking up the kills. I find if everyone leaves a point a Scout usually comes along, drops an Uplink, and hacks the point. Not having anyone stay behind to defend a point is an easy way to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2015.01.14 16:26:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Numbers significantly higher than 2500 are deeply hard to hut without being a logi spammer.
Anything above 3000 is impossible without boosting or being in the top 0.5% native shooter badass player category. Since they are outliers they should not be used as a balancing factor. Strongly disagree on that last point. Logis are more than capable of achieving 4000-5000 WPs in a very good match, even in PC. And why focus on logis? AV users and anti vehicle pilots can get upwards of 3000 WPs during a competitive match. 4500-5000 would be a more realistic number.
The theme of this thread:
- Logi are suggesting a minimum that the average Sentinel will not be able to reach in half their matches.
- Sentinels are suggesting a WP cap that good Logi will exceed in over half their matches.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2015.01.14 16:36:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:I rarely hit below 250 even during a stomp.
If you're new then you would be on a different value scale than myself.
I literally have no justifiable excuse for performance that poor even if I were solo against 16 nyain san.
I managed to get 0 WP in a battle recently and there were only 8 Nyan San on the other team.  But that was a very rare occurrence resulting from a chain of really bad luck and circumstance.
I think 250 WP is the most reasonable minimum. Vet's trying their best will still fall under it sometimes, but it would be very unusual, while an AFK'er would have to exert a lot of effort to get 250 WP, which hopefully would be enough to undermine the whole point of AFKing.
Of course someone Dropping an Uplink under the MCC would probably get the 250 WP, but if that proves to be a problem, it can be dealt with separately.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.14 16:49:00 -
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It occurs to me that if WP directly effect how many Skill Points you earn, this may go a long way to reducing HMG Sentinel and Sniper spam. Only those who truly loved the role, or are really good at it would do it. It might be good for the game. We would probably end up with a massive number of bad Logi, but that is not as big a problem, as Logi are not a Slayer class.
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