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CCP Rattati wrote:

We are working on a hotfix as a followup to 1.10, both to fix any issues as well as set us up well for the holidays.

These are our thoughts, but we will not be able to do all of them, based on the following Community feedback:
* GÇ£Throwing Remote Explosives at InfantryGÇ¥ versus GÇ£Need to Throw Remote Explosive at VehiclesGÇ¥
* High Hit Point scouts/assaults strafe speeds
* Stacking Hit Point Modules
* Tweaks on Rifles based on Efficiency Data
* Missing Gear from Loyalty Store
* Vehicles

New Packed Remote Explosive
STD/ADV/PRO:
Current Damage: 1250/1500/1750
DMG +30%
Activation Time: 3/3/3
Radius 0.1
Same PG/CPU

Current Remote Explosives
STD/ADV/PRO:
Activation 5/5/5

Armor Plates
STD/ADV/PRO from 85/110/135 to 60/80/100
Strafe speed penalty of regular plates doubled on scouts

Rifles
Simple pass on Rifles, the balance is really coming together in Public Contracts as well as Planetary Conquest.

Underperformers (solid)
Tactical Assault Rifle
Clip to 30 from 18, same clip to ammo ratio

Burst Assault Rifle
Rounds in burst from 4 to 5

Assault Rifle
Clip to 70 from 60, same clip to ammo ratio

Assault Scrambler Rifle
Feedback requested, there is nothing (that we see) that says this weapons is not comparable to other assault variants, except armor meta.

Overperformers (slight)
Scrambler Rifle
Clip to 40 from 45, same clip to ammo ratio
Breach Assault Rifle
Clip to 30 from 36, same clip to ammo ratio
Effective Range from 70 to 66 meters

Various
Increased Warbarge time to X from Y minutes for squadbuilding

Adding all racial frames and tiers to Loyalty Store

Vehicles
Reduced Small Blaster Dispersion
Transport WP for LAV's
Larger Supply Depot Radius
Vehicle plate speed penalty discrepancy

Community proposed stats requested:
GA LLAV
CA LLAV
Anti Infantry Small Missiles
Anti Vehicle Small Missiles
Sagaris
Surya
Modules

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Valor Goat 48	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:01:00 - [31] - Quote John Psi wrote: Rattati, i hope, "armor plate strafe penalty" should be understood as "any HP Module strafe penalty"? Otherwise, it is one-sided gall nerf. No, leave us shield tankers alone; we're already poor and wretched. 1EE7
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 172	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:04:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We are working on a hotfix as a followup to 1.10, both to fix any issues as well as set us up well for the holidays. These are our thoughts, but we will not be able to do all of them, based on the following Community feedback: * GÇ£Throwing Remote Explosives at InfantryGÇ¥ versus GÇ£Need to Throw Remote Explosive at VehiclesGÇ¥ * High Hit Point scouts/assaults strafe speeds * Stacking Hit Point Modules * Tweaks on Rifles based on Efficiency Data * Missing Gear from Loyalty Store * Vehicles New Packed Remote Explosive STD/ADV/PRO: Current Damage: 1250/1500/1750 DMG +30% Activation Time: 3/3/3 Radius 0.1 Same PG/CPU Current Remote Explosives STD/ADV/PRO: Activation 5/5/5 Armor Plates STD/ADV/PRO from 85/110/135 to 60/80/100 Strafe speed penalty of regular plates doubled on scouts Rifles Simple pass on Rifles, the balance is really coming together in Public Contracts as well as Planetary Conquest. Underperformers (solid) Tactical Assault Rifle Clip to 30 from 18, same clip to ammo ratio Burst Assault Rifle Rounds in burst from 4 to 5 Assault Rifle Clip to 70 from 60, same clip to ammo ratio Assault Scrambler Rifle Feedback requested, there is nothing (that we see) that says this weapons is not comparable to other assault variants, except armor meta. Overperformers (slight) Scrambler Rifle Clip to 40 from 45, same clip to ammo ratio Breach Assault Rifle Clip to 30 from 36, same clip to ammo ratio Effective Range from 70 to 66 meters Various Increased Warbarge time to X from Y minutes for squadbuilding Adding all racial frames and tiers to Loyalty Store Vehicles Reduced Small Blaster Dispersion Transport WP for LAV's Larger Supply Depot Radius Vehicle plate speed penalty discrepancy Community proposed stats requested: GA LLAV CA LLAV Anti Infantry Small Missiles Anti Vehicle Small Missiles Sagaris Surya Modules 1. The ability to throw the RE should be stopped completely, infact it should be scrapped and replaced with 'Claymore' 1a. Possibly RE stays around as an anti vehicle weapon of sorts which still work as they do now but only on vehicles 2. Strafing penalties on shield is dumb, it should increase sig profile 3. LP store - Does that include ADS and also does it include all vehicles without pre fitted turrets because its hard enough to fit a madrugar with 2 small turrets on it already 4. New Packed Remote Explosive - BAD IDEA they are already thrown and are flying frisbees Vehicles 5. Small and Large blaster dispersion should be removed, every second shot is a miss, it is down to luck if i hit no matter how good my aim is because its unfair for pilots to kill what they are aiming at 6. LAV WP - Not bad, 1 step closer to the APC i hope 7. Needed 8. A 60plate shouldnt be as heavy as a 120, also we need the 180plates back 9. GA LLAV - Armor based, following GA lore favours rep over plates, 2H/4L or 3H/3L - HP wise 500 shield and 3000 armor, slower than a standard LAV, if HP too high then it goes to what it used to be and not any lower which was 609 shield and 2597 armor 10. CA LLAV - Shield based, 4H/2L - HP wise 2500 shield and 750 armor, slower than standard LAV, if HP too high then it goes to what it used to be and not any lower which was 2100 shield 864 armor 11. Anti infantry small missiles - For me bigger radius so more splash damage than direct - numbers im guessing atm, 200 splash? 12. Anti vehicle small missiles - For me more direct damage and little splash - numbers im guessing atm, 500 direct? 13. Sagaris - Main Battle Tank in my eyes, Shield based, 5H/3L, 1000 armor and 5000 shield, slower than a standard tank, if HP too high then it goes to what it used to be and not any lower which was 1000 armor 3120 shield 14. Surya - Main Battle Tank in my eyes, Armor based, GA lore rep above tank, 3H/5L, 850shield and 5500armor, slower than a standard tank, old armor values for Surya are lower than Madrugar values now at 3480 armor btw, old stats 900 shield and 3480 armor 15. Modules - All the modules from chrome back - Power Diagnostic systems, Damage Controls, Heat sinks, Tracking Computers, Nanofibres, Hull modules, Torque mods, Passive Shield and Armor resistance plates, Active Armor reppers, Overdrives, Shield Rechargers, Armor and Shield Repair modules etc - More choice, more variety, more playstyles
Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 6640	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:05:00 - [33] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: John Psi wrote: Rattati, i hope, "armor plate strafe penalty" should be understood as "any HP Module strafe penalty"? Otherwise, it is one-sided gall nerf. No, leave us shield tankers alone; we're already poor and wretched. Now, now, be diplomatic: you can have that if we get our lowslot damage mods.... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 Born of the Brutor tribe
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 529	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:07:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Armor Plates STD/ADV/PRO from 85/110/135 to 60/80/100 Just noticed this. This is bad. This is very bad. Mediums just got shafted. I dont understand your fitting philosphy for mediums, ewar will never be as good as a scout, speed tanking will never be as fast as a scout, armor suits dont get the same shield booster as shields suits....what? I'll see how ewar is post down time but i doubt mediums will be as good as ewar as scouts. As in they will still be highly visible units that fight it out, and ttk will go way down especially vs heavies and scouts. To take the suit that i rely the most on for HP stacking , i'm either going to losing 90 hp on my min logi (replace my 3 ehn plates that add 330 armor) or moving twice as slow to fit two complex plates and still lose out on 130 ehp. Its a VERY bad tradeoff. Just handing over kills to scouts. Scouts you will strafe slower but dont worry, every other suit that relies on HP is getting roughly a 30% over all reduction in HP. You will still see them first, and be able to shoot first. that BS. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Greiv Rabbah 13Art of War13 44	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:23:00 - [35] - Quote Minmatar scouts never have high HP. Even with complex plates and shields they will still get dropped easily by an assault c-1 if seen. This is especially true if they happen to be running with cloak "at the ready". Despite not being cloaked and not having been cloaked for at least a full minute, being spotted entails waiting 4 seconds before you have a weapon. Simply for readying(not using) the second piece of caldari tech that minja have been forced into. Why did minja get melee bonus removed? They're a melee based role. Why did a logi bonus get heaped on minja? Gallogis still hack faster Why did minja lose damp bonus? Now most frail suit in the game with melee oriented role and no melee bonus gets to be moderate speed hacker with wrong race sidearm as forced weapon, to make it better make them show up on radar all the time this is good because then they have to use caldari cloak to hide but if they don't use it they still wait to pull weapon back out until they are dead! That's brilliant. Yes rattati please nerf scout HP so that gallente glass cannon shotgun scouts can kill me faster while caldari railrifle sniper scouts laugh at me trying to pull out my I gun bc i wouldn't stand a chance trying to cloak instead Maybe I should use nova knives since by the time I have them drawn gal/calscouts will have murdered me and moved on The only scout that won't be killing us left and right will be the amarr scout bc oh tthat's right they are extinct. Minja will be too now I guess. Scout HP nerf only affects minja, here's why: galscout just needs to get a shotgun blast in and go hide and heal. Calscout sits outside everyone's range with sniper/rail rifle. Neither of these will feel an HP nerf. Amarr scouts are gone. What is dead already can't be killed further. Minja have less HP than everyone and have been pushed in a role requiring us to either stand still while were visible on everyone's radar(not just on radar, words pop up on everybody's screen telling you where the free kill is! Even in the MCC! Assault afking in MCC will see "enemy is taking objective c" and now they know "goodie there's a free kill at c! If I'm lucky hell have used cloak to sneak into C so even though hes visible now he can't pull out his weapon before he's already dead") Or otherwise if we don't like standing still and getting instant killed by anyone and everyone we can try to run through rain of gunfire with no armor and pray we get to enemy in time to.... Die charging a knife?! Minmatar make myofibs so that minjas can be fooled into buying them someday. With nk unaffected by myofibs and bonus not affecting punches minja has no real use for them especially since minja is easily spotted by only everybody, out shielded by only everybody out armoredby only everybody, only able to hack as fast as other scouts not as fast as logis, not good for scouting bc range nerf incoming and no useful weapons but.. Remotes! Yes, that's it... A bomb that fails to kill infantry, that's the perfect racial weapon for a scout that can't scout, an assassin that can't kill, a thief that can't sneak. HERES YOUR PSA EVRYONE remotes will stop being thrown when grenades work again. Jihad jeeps will be a thing until av remotes are useful as av. If you step on a remote, a scout will detonate it. Dying because you were next to a bomb when it exploded is not op; crymoar Remotes are underpowered, minja HP is unusably low, minja bonuses are broke as hell. Merry 1.10 and a happy hotfix. Bah! Humbug
Valor Goat 48	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:24:00 - [36] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Valor Goat wrote: John Psi wrote: Rattati, i hope, "armor plate strafe penalty" should be understood as "any HP Module strafe penalty"? Otherwise, it is one-sided gall nerf. No, leave us shield tankers alone; we're already poor and wretched. Now, now, be diplomatic: you can have that if we get our lowslot damage mods.... Sir, we have a deal. 1EE7
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1069	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:24:00 - [37] - Quote John Psi wrote: Rattati, i hope, "armor plate strafe penalty" should be understood as "any HP Module strafe penalty"? Otherwise, it is one-sided gall nerf. Did you forget about Amarr? Also, I figured you, of all people, would have been happy to hear about them making changes to R/Es considering your sig and all. CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou CIO ("Proto Forum Warrior") Learning Coalition & RTG
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1069	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:31:00 - [38] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Valor Goat wrote: John Psi wrote: Rattati, i hope, "armor plate strafe penalty" should be understood as "any HP Module strafe penalty"? Otherwise, it is one-sided gall nerf. No, leave us shield tankers alone; we're already poor and wretched. Now, now, be diplomatic: you can have that if we get our lowslot damage mods.... Speaking of that... I wouldn't mind seeing a ROF Damage Mod for the lows. Works perfect with the EVE mindset too. High slot Damage mods straight increase the damage of the weapon. Low slot ROF mod would increase any weapon's DPS with the downside of chewing through more ammo. Shield tankers will have the ability of fitting shields with damage (or rather ROF) mods in lows, similar to how Gallente or Amarr can fit damage mods in highs and armor in lows. Glass cannon fits could be made. No tank with high damage, fast hitting weapons. Thoughts? CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou CIO ("Proto Forum Warrior") Learning Coalition & RTG
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1069	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:33:00 - [39] - Quote Also, as a Logistics player, the return of the Logistics LAV makes me very happy. CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou CIO ("Proto Forum Warrior") Learning Coalition & RTG
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 464	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:39:00 - [40] - Quote get the stats right on my surya and i'll be more than happy to respect into it staright to level 5 if the skill increases ''various aspects of it''. and please......add in a reduction to large blaster turret dispersion by X per level. to help make blasters threating and not just an expensive harmless beast. also since there is a vehicle pass/hopefully balance increase or make the vehicle skill tree racial also since you asked. proposed Surya stats. 1450 shield 4800 armour 3 highs 4 lows 2 sml turret slots 1 large turret slot (required) 15% less speed than madruagr 10% MORE torque than madrugar 580 cpu (accommodates extra high) 3000 pwg (accommodates extra low) isk price of 450k proposed SKILL requiremen'st: HAV operation 3 as well as Gallente HAV operation 3 that unlocks Gallente Maruders hence Surya requires level 1. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*

BL4CKST4R Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3441	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:41:00 - [41] - Quote Any changes to shields? Or is it just regular armor plates? supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13614	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:43:00 - [42] - Quote I'll be completely honest. Armor plates were rarely used by me as is, I now see no reason to use them ever again. They cost more PG, have a speed penalty, and now only give a marginal increase in HP compared to ferros and reactives. Just my opinion, others might disagree, but even with current plates I only use them in edge cases. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
BL4CKST4R Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3441	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:52:00 - [43] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I'll be completely honest. Armor plates were rarely used by me as is, I now see no reason to use them ever again. They cost more PG, have a speed penalty, and now only give a marginal increase in HP compared to ferros and reactives. Just my opinion, others might disagree, but even with current plates I only use them in edge cases. The speed penalty should technically go down, probably to 1,2,3. Reactives give 60 hp and 1%, new basic plates give 60 hp and 3%. I haven't used normal plates since the time ferros and reactives got buffed, although my new assault that I made in anticipation of 1.10 used enhanced plates to keep it's hp balanced with my EWAR cal assault, which is now no longer the case... supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13615	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:53:00 - [44] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: "Armor plates STD/ADV/PRO from 85/110/135 to 60/80/100" Awesome, but you should normalize ferroscale plates' and reactives as a consequence of this or everyone will just put complex ferroscale plates that cost way less than armor plates in terms of PG and CPU and give you no movement penalties, at the cost of 25 hp. STD plate - 60 HP, costs 9 CPU and 3 PG, 3% penalty Complex Ferroscale - 75 HP, 23 CPU and 8 PG, no penalty You pay 14 CPU and 5PG for an extra 15HP and -3% penalty. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
BL4CKST4R Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3441	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:56:00 - [45] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Valor Goat wrote: "Armor plates STD/ADV/PRO from 85/110/135 to 60/80/100" Awesome, but you should normalize ferroscale plates' and reactives as a consequence of this or everyone will just put complex ferroscale plates that cost way less than armor plates in terms of PG and CPU and give you no movement penalties, at the cost of 25 hp. STD plate - 60 HP, costs 9 CPU and 3 PG, 3% penalty Complex Ferroscale - 75 HP, 23 CPU and 8 PG, no penalty You pay 14 CPU and 5PG for an extra 15HP and -3% penalty. Its actually the normal plates that need to be normalized, the old plates were made to penalize stacking on medium suits and to a small extent heavies, these plates keep those penalties and are now made to penalize scouts. Armor plates are just a huge pile of penalty now. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13615	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:57:00 - [46] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: As much as many AV users will disagree (I believe) the return of the LLV and prototype HAV will go far in efforts to balance current AV vs vehicles of it's rank. As of now there's only standard and militia vehicles against all four tiers of AV. Vehicles are balanced to work against proto AV. They were also designed to have different roles, not a straight increase of power (tiercide). This isn't a matter of STD vs PRO, it's a matter of no tiers vs PRO. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13615	Posted - 2014.12.09 11:59:00 - [47] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: John Psi wrote: Rattati, i hope, "armor plate strafe penalty" should be understood as "any HP Module strafe penalty"? Otherwise, it is one-sided gall nerf. No, leave us shield tankers alone; we're already poor and wretched. Straight up bullshit. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13618	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:00:00 - [48] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Valor Goat wrote: John Psi wrote: Rattati, i hope, "armor plate strafe penalty" should be understood as "any HP Module strafe penalty"? Otherwise, it is one-sided gall nerf. No, leave us shield tankers alone; we're already poor and wretched. Now, now, be diplomatic: you can have that if we get our lowslot damage mods.... Sir, we have a deal. As long as we get high slot kin cats and codebreakers. I will kill every motherhumper in these forums if I lose one of TWO viable modules to put in high slots. Like seriously, we have nothing. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Valor Goat 49	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:13:00 - [49] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Valor Goat wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Valor Goat wrote: John Psi wrote: Rattati, i hope, "armor plate strafe penalty" should be understood as "any HP Module strafe penalty"? Otherwise, it is one-sided gall nerf. No, leave us shield tankers alone; we're already poor and wretched. Now, now, be diplomatic: you can have that if we get our lowslot damage mods.... Sir, we have a deal. As long as we get high slot kin cats and codebreakers. I will kill every motherhumper in these forums if I lose one of TWO viable modules to put in high slots. Like seriously, we have nothing. No @ kin cats. Stay slow bae. 1EE7
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13619	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:16:00 - [50] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: No @ kin cats. Stay slow bae. Then stay low damage bae Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++

Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2682	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:19:00 - [51] - Quote Glad to see LLAVs "hopefully" coming back. Is there any plan for changing the function of remote repair/ shield booster mods? Are you open to suggestions? What about the addition of new vehicle logistic mods? Also, shamelessly promoting my vehicle equipment slot thread. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Valor Goat 51	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:26:00 - [52] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Valor Goat wrote: "Armor plates STD/ADV/PRO from 85/110/135 to 60/80/100" Awesome, but you should normalize ferroscale plates' and reactives as a consequence of this or everyone will just put complex ferroscale plates that cost way less than armor plates in terms of PG and CPU and give you no movement penalties, at the cost of 25 hp. STD plate - 60 HP, costs 9 CPU and 3 PG, 3% penalty Complex Ferroscale - 75 HP, 23 CPU and 8 PG, no penalty You pay 14 CPU and 5PG for an extra 15HP and -3% penalty. I was referring to complex armor plates. Complex armor plates - 100 HP, 37 CPU and 12 PG, 5% speed penalty plus strafe penalty Complex ferroscale plates - 75 HP, 23 CPU and 8 PG, 0% penalty of any kind You pay 14 more CPU and 4 PG plus +5% speed penalty and you lose strafe for 25 HP. Just say you don't want your ferros nerfed - you know it's coming. 1EE7
Drecain Midular Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:29:00 - [53] - Quote Missing from the faction LP store: Republic breach flaylock Republic breach SMG Republic assault SMG Republic assault HMG Republic burst HMG Republic nova knives Republic proximity explosives Federation tactical AR Federation ion pistol State magsec SMG State bolt pistol State tactical sniper rifle State charge sniper rifle Imperial breach scrambler pistol Imperial assault scrambler pistol Now, apart from the state charge sniper, please make basic variants of these gun be available for purchase at the LP store.
BL4CKST4R Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3441	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:30:00 - [54] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Valor Goat wrote: "Armor plates STD/ADV/PRO from 85/110/135 to 60/80/100" Awesome, but you should normalize ferroscale plates' and reactives as a consequence of this or everyone will just put complex ferroscale plates that cost way less than armor plates in terms of PG and CPU and give you no movement penalties, at the cost of 25 hp. STD plate - 60 HP, costs 9 CPU and 3 PG, 3% penalty Complex Ferroscale - 75 HP, 23 CPU and 8 PG, no penalty You pay 14 CPU and 5PG for an extra 15HP and -3% penalty. I was referring to complex armor plates. Complex armor plates - 100 HP, 37 CPU and 12 PG, 5% speed penalty plus strafe penalty Complex ferroscale plates - 75 HP, 23 CPU and 8 PG, 0% penalty of any kind You pay 14 more CPU and 4 PG plus +5% speed penalty and you lose strafe for 25 HP. Just say you don't want your ferros nerfed - you know it's coming. Because they shouldn't be nerfed? supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Mister Goo Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 94	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:32:00 - [55] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: * GÇ£Throwing Remote Explosives at InfantryGÇ¥ versus GÇ£Need to Throw Remote Explosive at VehiclesGÇ¥ The usefulness of RE's against vehicles is strongly out weighed by the community's abuse of throwing them at infantry, grenade like. Could you adjust RE's and make them not able to be restocked through the use of nano hives. This would help tremendously with the RE spam that is happening. Closed Beta Vet Minmatar Logistics I Repair, Revive, and Replenish. Leave the slaying for Assaults and Heavies.
Valor Goat 51	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:34:00 - [56] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Valor Goat wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Valor Goat wrote: "Armor plates STD/ADV/PRO from 85/110/135 to 60/80/100" Awesome, but you should normalize ferroscale plates' and reactives as a consequence of this or everyone will just put complex ferroscale plates that cost way less than armor plates in terms of PG and CPU and give you no movement penalties, at the cost of 25 hp. STD plate - 60 HP, costs 9 CPU and 3 PG, 3% penalty Complex Ferroscale - 75 HP, 23 CPU and 8 PG, no penalty You pay 14 CPU and 5PG for an extra 15HP and -3% penalty. I was referring to complex armor plates. Complex armor plates - 100 HP, 37 CPU and 12 PG, 5% speed penalty plus strafe penalty Complex ferroscale plates - 75 HP, 23 CPU and 8 PG, 0% penalty of any kind You pay 14 more CPU and 4 PG plus +5% speed penalty and you lose strafe for 25 HP. Just say you don't want your ferros nerfed - you know it's coming. Because they shouldn't be nerfed? Is anybody using plates with ferros on this state? 1EE7
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2682	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:41:00 - [57] - Quote As for Marauders (which I think those tanks were), they need to be focused on their respective weaponry (blasters for Gallente and Missiles for Caldari), but I think should be slightly weaker defensively than their STD counterparts (though the damage bonus should be enough to account for it). Perhaps have slightly higher base hp stats, but lower slot count. Also a bit faster and more agile (or at least nerf the STD variants). Basically the ground version of an ADS. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Grimmiers 737	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:42:00 - [58] - Quote Can the armor repair skill apply to reactives now?
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13620	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:46:00 - [59] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Valor Goat wrote: "Armor plates STD/ADV/PRO from 85/110/135 to 60/80/100" Awesome, but you should normalize ferroscale plates' and reactives as a consequence of this or everyone will just put complex ferroscale plates that cost way less than armor plates in terms of PG and CPU and give you no movement penalties, at the cost of 25 hp. STD plate - 60 HP, costs 9 CPU and 3 PG, 3% penalty Complex Ferroscale - 75 HP, 23 CPU and 8 PG, no penalty You pay 14 CPU and 5PG for an extra 15HP and -3% penalty. I was referring to complex armor plates. Complex armor plates - 100 HP, 37 CPU and 12 PG, 5% speed penalty plus strafe penalty Complex ferroscale plates - 75 HP, 23 CPU and 8 PG, 0% penalty of any kind You pay 14 more CPU and 4 PG plus +5% speed penalty and you lose strafe for 25 HP. Just say you don't want your ferros nerfed - you know it's coming. You know if ferros get nerfed then shields will be OP, right? I have shown time and time again that both have their merits, this "shield UP" thing is pure and utter myth. The only thing that shields are worse at than armor is HP stacking, and that's where sentinels excel. Now, consider that sentinels are 1/2 of the current suit meta along with scouts, and you would see why armor suits are common. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1050	Posted - 2014.12.09 12:51:00 - [60] - Quote How are Heavies and HMGs not on the list? Suggestions (not cumulative) * Add 1/4 to 1/2 second spool up time to HMG. * Invert explosive resistances, such that nades and mass drivers deal more damage. * Render HMG unwieldy unless ADS such that spin-spraying in CQC is no longer feasible. * Remove HMG headshot multiplier; reduce damage; reduce range.



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