Show me how they are nerfing sentinels and I'll happily call myself a retrad.

PS if you are talking about that nerf to plates I ll laugh at you

Rattati, i hope, "armor plate strafe penalty" should be understood as "any HP Module strafe penalty"?
Otherwise, it is one-sided gall nerf.

Now, now, be diplomatic: you can have that if we get our lowslot damage mods....

As long as we get high slot kin cats and codebreakers.

I will kill every motherhumper in these forums if I lose one of TWO viable modules to put in high slots.
Like seriously, we have nothing.

STD plate - 60 HP, costs 9 CPU and 3 PG, 3% penalty
Complex Ferroscale - 75 HP, 23 CPU and 8 PG, no penalty

You pay 14 CPU and 5PG for an extra 15HP and -3% penalty.

Because they shouldn't be nerfed?

You know if ferros get nerfed then shields will be OP, right?
I have shown time and time again that both have their merits, this "shield UP" thing is pure and utter myth.

The only thing that shields are worse at than armor is HP stacking, and that's where sentinels excel.
Now, consider that sentinels are 1/2 of the current suit meta along with scouts, and you would see why armor suits are common.

How are Heavies and HMGs not on the list?

Suggestions (not cumulative)

* Add 1/4 to 1/2 second spool up time to HMG.
* Invert explosive resistances, such that nades and mass drivers deal more damage.
* Render HMG unwieldy unless ADS such that spin-spraying in CQC is no longer feasible.
* Remove HMG headshot multiplier; reduce damage; reduce range.

It seems that you nerfed complex plates the hardest Rattati. (25/30/35 STD/ADV/PRO)
This really doesn't make sense, their penalty is the highest and they are the least used plates by anything that isn't a sentinel. (Even then, enhanced plates are very appealing).

Might want to normalize the nerf to 25HP per plate?

Shields have infinitely stronger BASE recharge, and that recharge can be increased to insane levels with a single module.

Rep tools < Guns - Unless you're a sentinel who has a giant ass HMG, don't expect reps mid battle

Triage hives force you to remain stationary, perfect grenade target (And they're also quite uncommon on the battlefield now-a-days)

Shields have LITERALLY EVERY USEFUL UTILITY MODULE in low slots.
Like, choose anything you would like, literally everything but damage mods you have.
Not to mention that I expect 1-2 damps on Assaults to be the new meta in 1.10, so shield suits will have an easier time.

Seriously, armor tankers use Damage Mods because that's ALL they can really use.

Actually, on that topic, you might notice Cat was a proponent of the ORIGINAL passive scan changes that would have made it viable to put some Precision Enhancers on Medium suits to help them see better, but that one got shouted down, meaning Damage Mods are still the only slot to put in Highs.

Also, shield suits have as much native HP regen as an armor suit gets through the use of THREE Complex Repair modules without fitting a single module at all, and you can easily boost that with a single Energizer and Regulator.

I skilled first into C/1 Assault, and use a fit with Extenders, a single Energizer, and a single Regulator. That enables me to fully regen my primary HP in SECONDS just by ducking out of the line of fire.

Let's also not forget that shield tankers are protesting the idea of Shield Extenders having a strafe penalty while the shield penalty can be fully countered with a SINGLE module, and the armor penalty cannot be countered at all. Kinetic Catalyzers only boost your Sprint speed, so when your Stamina is gone you're left at a crawl until it regenerates.

Back off the anti-armor crusade a little, buddy.

Seriously, running Caldari Assault I never feel at a disadvantage against an armor suit.

Now, if you want to talk weapons, I think the currently massive damage bonuses on each side need some work. A Combat Rifle will eat an armor tanker like they aren't even trying, and a Scrambler Rifle will do the exact same to a shield tanker.

If anything, I think we need to look at backing down the racial damage bonuses a little.

1 Armor HP < 1 Shield HP

Ours doesn't regenerate nearly as fast buddy, and it doesn't get 1100 DPS from HMG's.
Your regen is free and powerful, you can supplement it with one energizer and one regulator and you're already far beyond anything an armor tanker can dream of, with only a small delay.

"Nothing to write home about"
One energizer and you're at 52hp/s.
One regulator and the delay is 3.9 seconds.
That means full shield HP on a Cal Assault (Around 600HP) in 14 seconds.

Compare that to armor regen that in a best case scenario, in very rare suits, you will see 30hp/s.
When they're at 30hp/s, they either have half of your HP, or are moving like snails and have equal HP to you.


Armor cannot compete in the regen game, shields win at it big time.

Assault scrambler: I personally love this weapon, against shields. Which I almost never see, the new plate numbers may change that.

Sadly derry, there are not gonna be more shield tankers due to that, as armor plates stackers will just swap them with ferroscales and reactives.

Reducing the clip size on the scrambler isn't going to do crap. I usually overheat after like 20 or so on my Amarr assault.

Same scenario on the BAR, 30 clip size is still going to shred. Reducing ROF or damage a bit would help though.

Agreed, it should just get a slight damage nerf (4-5%), but instead of reducing RoF, putting into the weapon a whatever kind of recoil and kick, and increased dispersion.

So, basically... I have 80 less armor than you have shields.
Clearly that's not a good reason to have 30hp/s.
And your shield regen is still 22hp/s higher.
Put on a reg and those delays become lol.
lel

You do know you can't win this right?
The MAJORITY of weapons are anti armor.
HMG is just one of many, among them the Combat Rifle and Rail Rifle.


Also, that's why regs exist.
With two regs and one energizer, a Cal Assault can top off its own health in a matter of seconds.

Seems to me like your problem is with amarr suits not gallente suits, yet your armor witch hunt would not only nerf them but also gallente suits which are between balanced and UP.

Go ahead, make it.
All of my Gal Assaults run with STD fluxes and STD IoP.

Well, I seriously don't understand you.
I encounter these kinds of Amarr all the time, and they're among the easiest assaults to deal with for me.
They're slow and can't strafe properly, both deadly targets for my Duvolle, even if I get a -10% penalty against their armor.

Uhhh, that's where I engage them the most.
I'm a Gal Assault with a Duvolle, engaging them at range is suicidal lol

1. Be careful with the armor nerf. I support the notion, but I'd take slightly smaller steps.
Before the last buff the basic armor plate had 65 hp I think. Nobody used armor. Then it was buffed to 85 hp. Everyone started stacking armor. Let's settle somewhere in between.
I think the old progression was 65/85/110 hp at 5/8/10% movement penalty. If I remember correctly. I'm fairly certain, but please ask a second source on this.
(I support the general idea because for one armor is right now straight up more powerful than shields, even in the face of anti-armor rifles and additionally the utility of all hp-modules currently surpases that of non-hp modules. The amount of hp that not-being-scanned compensates for is finite.)

2. The AScR is a one-trick pony. If the target has shields, it melts them. Otherwise it merely illuminates the direction the enemy needs to shoot at you ("Hello Mr. Amarr Sentinel. Please shoot this way.").
If the armor nerf doesn't do the trick I'd suggest giving it a more balanced damage profile. 15/-15 would be my suggestion.

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P.S: I don't like how the AScR was the only topic not bolded in your post. Is that your subtle way of demoralizing those that like it?

Scrambler Rifles

Assault- Buff zoom, and or, buff damage slightly. Other than that, I everything else I feel is on par.

Semi- Overrheating, still my main issue with it right now compared to pre-Delta. If you are reducing clip size, then lower the heat build up, or raise the Amarr Assault heat management bonus.!

Tac ar buff too much
armor plate nerf too much
scrambler nerf is irrelevant and not really a nerf at all

A "more HP" solution would do little to help with module imbalance or King HP.

Without an increase in fire rate, giving the Burst AR another shot per burst will just make it awkward to use.

That thought definitely crosses my mind, every other minute.

a 15 percent strafe decrease won't kill your ability to be a coward, i promise.

it was doable back when it was actually 50% of base, and i think the guy suggesting change it to 50% now is pure crazytalk. backpedaling at 50%? maybe. i still think it'd be too much, strafing at that speed is ridiculous.

Right now your strafe and backpedal is 90% of base, for the record. I think 75% would probably be fine - but Dust was a plain better game when it was 50%. it's too late to go back to that now, too much has been built on that mistake, but we can even it out.

In that context I keep forgetting to mention that the rifle's fitting requirements haven't yet been cleaned up since their performance was aligned:

Here's a comparison of CPU and PG requirements:

ADV:
AScR: 48/12
AR: 47/6
ACR: 39/4
ARR: 41/12

PRO:
AScR: 83/15
AR: 90/13
ACR: 78/8
ARR: 77/14

Can we get that fixed?
Make sure all rifles of each tier require the same amount of total fitting cost ("CPU + 5 * PG") and then choose the CPU-PG-ratio based on the racial assault suit's capacity.

Carte blanche i want my small railgun turret buffed, and a few more tweaks to the large blaster.

Infantry weapons that do need a bit more love:

- Ion Pistol

- Normal AR

- Lazer Rifle

- Scrambler Pistol


Bolt pistol still needs to be looked at.

- Kalikiota Bolt Pistol does 251 damage per shot

- Kalikiota Sniper Rifle does 221 damage per shot

- Ishikune Sniper rifle does 250 damage per shot

If hipfire / noscope sniping is game breaking then why is the bolt pistol an mini hipfiring sniper rifle?

It ought to have More bullets, less damage per bullet., a better ROF, and keep the same damage per clip.

Dude just no. Just no. Heavies are probably the most balanced thing now since you can see them from 40m now. Smh

Yeah because this scenario happens all the time , also your range is probably 30-40M, since the breach does almost half it's dps at that range. Also if your energized is only getting you from 30-45, it means your shield skills are low or you are using a non proto suit, if the guy you fight had 4 hives he is in a proto suit... Just saying.