This needs more attention.

Passive shield regen and better armour regen would help the imbalances immensely.

Shield and armor are completely different types of tanks. Shield tanks aren't supposed to be able to tank through immense amount of damage, they're supposed to be able to run in, do damage, and run out without exhausting their shields. If we do allow shields to be this similar to armor, then it makes the whole point of the system between armor and shields completely pointless.

Shield regen is already greater than armor reps, if passive shield regen is implemented shield suits would completely overshadow armor suits because of their ability to run effective dual regen tank. Yes, maybe shields do need a tad more resistance to armor based weapons, but completely overhauling the system, so that people who don't understand how to fit shield and run suits can prosper is not the way to go.

Strafe speed penalty of regular plates doubled on scouts

* High Hit Point scouts/assaults strafe speeds

Shield and armor are completely different types of tanks. Shield tanks aren't supposed to be able to tank through immense amount of damage, they're supposed to be able to run in, do damage, and run out without exhausting their shields. If we do allow shields to be this similar to armor, then it makes the whole point of the system between armor and shields completely pointless.

Shield regen is already greater than armor reps, if passive shield regen is implemented shield suits would completely overshadow armor suits because of their ability to run effective dual regen tank. Yes, maybe shields do need a tad more resistance to armor based weapons, but completely overhauling the system, so that people who don't understand how to fit shield and run suits can prosper is not the way to go.

Agreed, each type of tank depends on your playstyle

Neither of you actually read what I quoted did you? You just jerked that knee like a boss...

Passive shield regen should be superior to armour regen. I never said, nor did BL4CKST4R, that shields should be repping through incoming fire and shrugging it off completely. And if either tanking style should do that, it's shields!

Anyway, shield regen is greater than armour regen in some ways (raw, base numbers) but is entirely insufficient as a 'style' (delays.) Quite frankly, I don't see how BL4CKST4R's idea is complicated: shields rep small amounts every second; armour reps regen a decent chunk every X seconds.

How is that complicated?! Delays are far more complicated, especially when you factor in bonuses/penalties!

Why? The current system is fine, it's just that people don't understand how to run and fit shield suits.

Why?
Because shield suits are inferior in almost every way:
- regeneration is higher, but initially a lot slower, making reengagement times very high
- regeneration is stopped entirely by the slightest damage, making armour regen fear superior: pop out, poke their shields, hide and continue armour regen
- buffer is lower in almost every case, making shields need higher alpha - which armour suits do better because of high slot damage mods.

Essentially, there is no good reason to not change it to a better system:
- armour would have higher buffer tank with powerful but slow regen.
- shields would have fast, constant regen but lower 'per tick' value with a lower buffer.

Give me a good reason why this system is harder to understand than the current delay system and why it shouldn't be implemented: 'because the current system is fine' is not valid, because it has many inherent flaws that bias it towards armour.

It's not that it's hard to understand, it's just unnecessary to overhaul the whole system when small adjustments in the system like shield hardeners, or a ceiling on regen delay, can be made to fix the small inconsistencies. I have used shields in the current system, they work fine for the conservative play style they're meant to play.

-If you fit a regulator or 2 on a shield tank suit, the delay is faster than the time it takes for a remote explosive to be active. (less than 5 seconds)

-Regeneration is high enough on a properly shield tanked suit that 1 second of avoiding fire will bring a great amount of Hp back anyway, so "poking at shields" isn't much of an issue either.

-Buffer is supposed to be smaller because shield tankers are supposed to play conservatively, not to mention buffer is easily added onto shield suits because of their ability to use both tanks in a relatively effective manner.(and anti-shield weaponry is less abundant than anti-armor)

You could be right that shield tanks do need some sort of buff, but on paper it seems perfectly balanced, or that shield suits need a change because of their ability to use both tanks effectively.

I actually forgot to write the HMG nerf, in the form of heat, again.

Removing headshot bonus is actually something we can look at too, but that eliminates skill in heavy vs heavy. So many times am I bested by someone that knows how to aim, don't want to mess with that.

Managing heat is the way to go to reward skill, you want to get that window of opportunity during the animation to get your kill.

We are working on a hotfix as a followup to 1.10, both to fix any issues as well as set us up well for the holidays.

These are our thoughts, but we will not be able to do all of them, based on the following Community feedback:
* GÇ£Throwing Remote Explosives at InfantryGÇ¥ versus GÇ£Need to Throw Remote Explosive at VehiclesGÇ¥
* High Hit Point scouts/assaults strafe speeds
* Stacking Hit Point Modules
* Tweaks on Rifles based on Efficiency Data
* Missing Gear from Loyalty Store
* Vehicles

New Packed Remote Explosive - Hotfix 1.10.2
STD/ADV/PRO:
Current Damage: 1250/1500/1750
DMG +30%
Activation Time: 3/3/3
Radius 0.1
Same PG/CPU

Current Remote Explosives Hotfix 1.10.2
STD/ADV/PRO:
Activation 5/5/5

Armor Plates
STD/ADV/PRO from 85/110/135 to 60/80/100 - Deferred
Strafe speed penalty of regular plates doubled on scouts - Hotfix 1.10.2

Rifles
Simple pass on Rifles, the balance is really coming together in Public Contracts as well as Planetary Conquest.

Underperformers (solid)
Tactical Assault Rifle
Clip to 30 24 from 18, same clip to ammo ratio - Hotfix 1.10.2

Burst Assault Rifle
Rounds in burst from 4 to 5 3 - Hotfix 1.10.2

Assault Rifle
Clip to 70 from 60, same clip to ammo ratio - Hotfix 1.10.2

Assault Scrambler Rifle
Feedback requested, there is nothing (that we see) that says this weapons is not comparable to other assault variants, except armor meta.
Fixed Damage Progression - Hotfix 1.10.2

Overperformers (slight)
Scrambler Rifle
Clip to 40 30 from 45, same clip to ammo ratio - Hotfix 1.10.2
Breach Assault Rifle
Clip to 30 from 36, same clip to ammo ratio - Hotfix 1.10.2
Effective Range from 70 to 66 meters - Hotfix 1.10.2

Various
Increased Warbarge time to X from Y minutes for squadbuilding - Deferred

Adding all racial frames and tiers to Loyalty Store - Deferred

Vehicles - Needs considerably more time to do well, new threads are up for discussion
Reduced Small Blaster Dispersion
Transport WP for LAV's
Larger Supply Depot Radius - Hotfix 1.10.2
Vehicle plate speed penalty discrepancy

Community proposed stats requested:
GA LLAV
CA LLAV
Anti Infantry Small Missiles
Anti Vehicle Small Missiles
Sagaris
Surya
Modules

GAU's and miniguns do not overheat- RL fact based on physics.
Rail guns do not recoil another RL fact.

Poorly written reply that was too complex to address because of bad formatting which would cause pyramid quoting(not to mention it was an unpleasant read).

Poorly written reply that was too complex to address because of bad formatting which would cause pyramid quoting(not to mention it was an unpleasant read).

A ceiling on regen delay would prevent the complete stopping of regen on shields as opposed to the current system. It doesn't matter if the delay system is "uninspired," it works. It also makes the tanking system more diverse than having both tanks regen in exactly the same manner.

Armor repair is greatly inferior to shield regen in terms of base amounts

This coupled with the fact that armor based weapons are more abundant than shield based weapons.

It is inferred that smart shield tankers have the advantage over smart armor tankers. The delay becomes moot to a proper shield tank because the delay is shorter than it takes for a remote explosive to be armed. (a ceiling on delay damage would make it so that the shield tank would get the complete 532 hp even when taking damage so in retrospect it is a bad idea.)

That is to say, if there is a buff to shields, then a nerf to armor on shield suits is in order because it would cause even greater imbalance.

Still badly formatted response don't blame me for pointing out the obvious, do a better job of formatting your responses so I can respond properly.

Too much damage in the clip compared to others, normalizing this with the TAR for both the tactical rifles.

Minmatar weapons =/= rl weapons. And minmatar ammo def =/= rl ammo, ever shot a depleted uranium shell? Neither have I.

Rail guns do not recoil another RL fact.

So basically your going to finish off killing Ammars ...