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DrewEon1 NEO DYNAMIC JAPAN 2	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:09:00 - [1] - Quote I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5450	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:11:00 - [2] - Quote No we don't. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
hfderrtgvcd 779	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:11:00 - [3] - Quote DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. I'm sure they would if the process was automatic, but it isn't. Its very time consuming for them to give a respec to every single player individually, and I'd rather they spent their time fixing the game. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2158	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:13:00 - [4] - Quote "People have to accept the consequences of putting their SP into things." That gets thrown out the window when they change everything, but they don't care because they already have our money. As for me, I support a respec. Since the ADSs have been made completely useless, I won't skill into them at all. I would likely still still completely into tanks, everything to level 5, get back my Min logi, then go from there. Probably get the Gal scout to 5, with its eWar to 5 too, and probably Min sentinel as well since it has the best options for HP tank, even though it's hardest for anything to get through shield, which makes the Cal sentinel the best option. Second edit: I'd do a respec if it cost me 100,000,000 ISK and all of my inventory (minus BPOs). That means officer weapons would go, too. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
DrewEon1 NEO DYNAMIC JAPAN 2	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:14:00 - [5] - Quote I understand it takes a bit of work, but can't they just allow us to manually do it ourselves? Instead of CCP putting their time into it? And I'm sure there are people who have spent large amounts of money {I know one} and really want a respec.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2158	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:14:00 - [6] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: No we don't. You're not playing anymore, so your opinion doesn't count. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3632	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:15:00 - [7] - Quote Would we appreciate one? Yes. Do the players deserve one? Yes. Will CCP ever provide a respec in Dust 514? No. If we receive a respec, it will be if CCP greenlights Legion and then migrates our characters into Legion. My advice to you, playa...
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 825	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:21:00 - [8] - Quote Will these threads just stop already?!!!!!
Immortal John Ripper 25063	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:27:00 - [9] - Quote Very clever disguising your like farm as another respec thread. However you will never surpass me. Face it. It is hopeless. Its never taken me so long to get 50 likes to break 25k Conclusion:Dust community prefers puppies > cats Sorry catmerc
DrewEon1 NEO DYNAMIC JAPAN 2	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:29:00 - [10] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Very clever disguising your like farm as another respec thread. However you will never surpass me. Face it. It is hopeless. Disguising myself like what?

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1031	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:35:00 - [11] - Quote we dont NEED one, but we all secretly would like one so we can... - fix poor sp spending - maybe make our sp spending more efficient ir not wasting it on things we dont use anymore (ie caldari logi, amarr logi for me) - chase FOTM -just keep a pool of SP spare.. - try new builds - try vehicles ...w/e i know id like to remove my dropsuit and weapon SP so i could just focus on - winmando -winscout - wintinel -winlogi -winassault (Winmatar much? :P) as for my weapon SP being spread everywhere with no real focus as such id go - CR, - MD, - SMG - swarms - NKs (minja teimz) and later maybe weaponry 5 for -forgeun -HMG and if i had anything left over id skill into dropships to make a tanky MCRU dropship PS. respec should be a 1 time only thing.. ie. 1 respec per ACCOUNT not per charater... for the lifetime of that account.. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1681	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:37:00 - [12] - Quote No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely?
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3632	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:40:00 - [13] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? My advice to you, playa...
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1642	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:42:00 - [14] - Quote DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=22YWYAtcyEA Closed beta vet. Call me TrolLuna or Trollmare Moon, Reference link
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1681	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:47:00 - [15] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? They will have an advantage because they will not have to "pay for their mistakes". I'm not concerned with any new players becoming competitive -- that already happens with great frequency -- but I am concerned with being given a "get out of bad SP investment for free" as it is not fair to those of us who used their SP wisely. To flip this around a bit and using your logic, why not give SP refunds always? Because your choices should matter. Which is, essentially, what I'm saying.
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 329	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:06:00 - [16] - Quote I personally don't. You people need to http://youtu.be/zAxMw_gcKvo?t=43s and/or spend your SP wisely. Take a bow
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 494	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:12:00 - [17] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? They will have an advantage because they will not have to "pay for their mistakes". I'm not concerned with any new players becoming competitive -- that already happens with great frequency -- but I am concerned with being given a respec as it is not fair to those of us who used their SP wisely. To flip this around a bit and using your logic, why not give an unlimited number of SP refunds? They will have access to the same skills as everyone at the same SP prices, right? Wrong. Because our choices should matter, and SP refunds mean they don't matter. Which is, essentially, what I'm saying. I agree we shouldnt be able to respec every time we make a choice and end up regretting it, but when i skill into something and the way it works is changed, my choice means nothing. I don't mind tweaks to things but when it becomes useless I don't want it anymore because I never skilled into what it became.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 494	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:18:00 - [18] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: I personally don't. You people need to http://youtu.be/zAxMw_gcKvo?t=43s and/or spend your SP wisely. I really wanted your video to be this video
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1947	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:21:00 - [19] - Quote DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. This is what people have cried prior to every other respec. Just give us one and we'll never ask for another. We promise. No really, we'll never ask for one ever ever again as long as our immortal clones live. For realiez yo' ! What happens after they do get a respec though. No more than a week or so later people are once again crying for a respec. CCP need to take a stronger stand against this. They've already said they won't do it, now they need to start warning people who start these stupid threads. Respecs are bad for the game. They allow vets to instantly switch all their SP into the current FOTM and then some, the go against the EvE philosophy of "your choices are permenant," and they fail to even meet the needs of the people who ask for them since half the idiots calling for respecs still mess up with their skills in the post respec rush. Just give up on the repsecs already. Its been done. It doesn't work. Its bad for the game. Now with more evil.
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 725	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:23:00 - [20] - Quote Because I played the game wrong and skilled into everything and therefore never get affected by changes, no. Even if I deserved one... still no. Something that gets nerfed eventually gets buffed in some way or another anyway. The Connoisseur of Weapons. 19/19 L5 P1. "GET BACK HERE YOU SCRUB" - Lorelei Zee 2014

Dreis Shadowweaver THE HANDS OF DEATH RUST415 276	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:32:00 - [21] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? It's not spending SP unwisely if what you spent it on gets changed. How are choices supposed to matter if CCP takes our choices and ***** all over them? Which is why I support respecs just on things that get changed, not full-blown respecs. That way, our choices REALLY WILL MATTER. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 494	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:47:00 - [22] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? It's not spending SP unwisely if what you spent it on gets changed. How are choices supposed to matter if CCP takes our choices and ***** all over them? Which is why I support respecs just on things that get changed, not full-blown respecs. That way, our choices REALLY WILL MATTER. You're crying over spilled milk The only skill point refund I remember in EVE in 8 years when was they removed learning skills. It wasn't a respec, it was a return. THAT IS WHY IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN If CCP won't refund SP in EVE, their bread and butter, even when they make such sweeping changes to ship design, they WILL NOT do it in Dust. You know what happens in EVE when something get's put on it's a$s? People adapt, they skill into new ships, they pull out old ships they haven't used in 3 years, a very tiny amount rage on the forums. Those that rage get told the same thing you see on these forums. It's exponentially easier to skill into new suits and weapons in this game that it is in EVE. Suck it up and quit whining.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1681	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:52:00 - [23] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? They will have an advantage because they will not have to "pay for their mistakes". I'm not concerned with any new players becoming competitive -- that already happens with great frequency -- but I am concerned with being given a respec as it is not fair to those of us who used their SP wisely. To flip this around a bit and using your logic, why not give an unlimited number of SP refunds? They will have access to the same skills as everyone at the same SP prices, right? Wrong. Because our choices should matter, and SP refunds mean they don't matter. Which is, essentially, what I'm saying. I agree we shouldnt be able to respec every time we make a choice and end up regretting it, but when i skill into something and the way it works is changed, my choice means nothing. I don't mind tweaks to things but when it becomes useless I don't want it anymore because I never skilled into what it became. Nothing has become "useless", but many things have changed (positively and negatively, with the intent of balance). Moving past that, if you end up regretting your choices then perhaps you should be more measured rather than skill into FoTM or OP things before they get changed. If I'm wrong about that, kindly post a specific example of what you're talking about.
Dreis Shadowweaver THE HANDS OF DEATH RUST415 276	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:53:00 - [24] - Quote *Rayray James Nevertheless, you can't say that our choices matter, despite that it is supposed to be a major aspect of Dust. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3637	Posted - 2014.10.13 17:03:00 - [25] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: If I'm wrong about that, kindly post a specific example of what you're talking about. All racial starter fittings had the Assault Rifle fitted to them making new players believe that was their racial go-to weapon... which is 100% wrong and led to many players dumping SP into a weapon that was not inline with their racial rifles. My advice to you, playa...
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1751	Posted - 2014.10.13 17:08:00 - [26] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? They will have an advantage because they will not have to "pay for their mistakes". I'm not concerned with any new players becoming competitive -- that already happens with great frequency -- but I am concerned with being given a respec as it is not fair to those of us who used their SP wisely. To flip this around a bit and using your logic, why not give an unlimited number of SP refunds? They will have access to the same skills as everyone at the same SP prices, right? Wrong. Because our choices should matter, and SP refunds mean they don't matter. Which is, essentially, what I'm saying. i do agree with you about spending SP wisely. but on the flip side is it a mistake that CCP completely changed something i put SP into. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5451	Posted - 2014.10.13 17:16:00 - [27] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: No we don't. You're not playing anymore, so your opinion doesn't count. Nah I lied I'm still playing. I just hate that the game lags the majority of the day. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 494	Posted - 2014.10.13 17:29:00 - [28] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: *Rayray James Nevertheless, you can't say that our choices matter, despite that it is supposed to be a major aspect of Dust. Your choices do matter. They still matter. Things change. Everyone complains about OP/UP in a hundred threads a week in GD alone. There will be continual balances of fittings, things will change. The fact that this gun got buffed, or that suit got nerfed isn't that big of a deal. If it's a minor change (which they usually are) it's nearly irrelevant. If something was so OP that it got the nerf bat, then you knew it when training that item, and should have known it was going to get the bat. If something you trained into got extremely buffed and then nerfed back, well, you're probably still in a better position than before. The only people I see wanting a respec seem to have this "grand plan" on what they'd do with the SP, were they to get it back. You can see it in every thread. I'd take this to 5 and that to 5 and this over here to 5 and finish that. What do they always seem to skill into? The things that were most recently buffed. Look, I wasn't thrilled with the way the ADS got hit this time around. I have so many LVL 5 skills in vehicles that I can't use the way I used to before. That doesn't mean the points are useless. The ADS will get looked at 10 more times before Legion and it'll get hit with the bat again and buffed again and hit with the bat again, etc. I still fly my ADS, I just lose them more often than I did before. Just because something got changed, doesn't make you skill point investment pointless. I means you need to reevaluate your play style. Adapt. Figure out something new. You might just stumble upon something you truly love that you wouldn't have seen before you were forced to.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2547	Posted - 2014.10.13 17:33:00 - [29] - Quote I'm only for respecs when there are fundamental changes to core game mechanics or sweeping overhauls. A vehicle's handling or HP values being tweaked wouldn't be grounds, but vehicles being completely overhauled would, and lo and behold CCP did this in the past. Adding full racial parity for dropsuits was also a good move for CCP to issue a respec, but crying for respecs over suits/weapons operating a little differently just seems a bit rediculous. My Cal Scout was changed, bonus wise, but even with those changes it's still a shield-tanked scout through-and-through, not enough to warrant a respec imo even though I miss the precision bonuses. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2386	Posted - 2014.10.13 17:58:00 - [30] - Quote The last respec happened because they completed dropsuit racial parity. It made sense because players were forced to choose a race/suit combo they may not have wanted since it was the only option. the respec allowed for a better distribution of suits/roles. If we ever get full racial vehicle parity (I hope to hell we do), I would support a vehicle respec for the same reasons. Otherwise, no. This game's balance will always be getting refined over time, that's not a legit reason for a respec. Pick a weapon because you like the way it plays, not because of the stats which are pretty much guaranteed to change. Pick a suit because you like that race's combat philosophy, not because of the stats or bonuses. If you follow that approach, you'll never need a respec. Best PvE idea ever!

Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3786	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:22:00 - [31] - Quote I don't need one, therefore, your argument is invalid.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2165	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:36:00 - [32] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? This makes absolutely no sense. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5398	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:37:00 - [33] - Quote I would burn OP at the stake if he purposed this pre-fanfest, but now that Dust does not really have a future, what harm could it cause at this point. so i could really careless. EVE 21 Day Trial Templar BPOs EVE 2nd decade CE items
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2165	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:42:00 - [34] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I don't need one, therefore, your argument is invalid. And you don't make any sense either. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1036	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:50:00 - [35] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? They will have an advantage because they will not have to "pay for their mistakes". I'm not concerned with any new players becoming competitive -- that already happens with great frequency -- but I am concerned with being given a respec as it is not fair to those of us who used their SP wisely. To flip this around a bit and using your logic, why not give an unlimited number of SP refunds? They will have access to the same skills as everyone at the same SP prices, right? Wrong. Because our choices should matter, and SP refunds mean they don't matter. Which is, essentially, what I'm saying. you bittervets already got like 5x more sp then the newbros who need the respec.. you bittervets got L5 in most everything you wanted/needed.. so no there is no advantage to be gained at all [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 602	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:52:00 - [36] - Quote Everyone deserves respect. The slow blade penetrates the shield.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1037	Posted - 2014.10.13 20:03:00 - [37] - Quote lets put it this way.. Bittervets dont need one so they could just not use it.. the respec is most likly to help newbros who made mistakes, so they can amend those mistakes after learning more about the gameplay and mechanics and hopefully want to stick around longer and probably spend $$$ on aurum ie.. cash-flow for CCP. As i would suspect most newbros leave because of poor SP planning due to lack of knowledge because of the toxic nature of bittervets and trolls in this community.. just take a breath drop the placards and take a look at the situation.. we need players to join AND STAY.. with an optional 1 time respec this may help some of the newbros who wish to stay be more focused on a role and be more competative against you bittervets.. i know you protostompers and bittervets would love to have some solid competition again wouldnt you? we get neural remaps in EVE (faster and more focused training from passive SP) so why not let us have our SP respec in dust? since i strongly suspect we will get to RE0allocate our SP in Legion anyway. so in closeing.. a Yes! vote for Respec's* is a vote to improve the community and promote better battles through less of a skill** gap! one time only. * skillpoints spent in the right areas to get better results and put up more of a fight against bittervet protostomper squads. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1037	Posted - 2014.10.13 20:04:00 - [38] - Quote sabre prime wrote: Everyone deserves respect. except the toxic bittervets who are the community's Toxic version of smelly old men saying "gid off ma lawn ya damn kids!" to the newbros [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2683	Posted - 2014.10.13 20:09:00 - [39] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? They will have an advantage because they will not have to "pay for their mistakes". I'm not concerned with any new players becoming competitive -- that already happens with great frequency -- but I am concerned with being given a respec as it is not fair to those of us who used their SP wisely. To flip this around a bit and using your logic, why not give an unlimited number of SP refunds? They will have access to the same skills as everyone at the same SP prices, right? Wrong. Because our choices should matter, and SP refunds mean they don't matter. Which is, essentially, what I'm saying. Wait. So, you don't want them to get a respec to avoid mistakes that you assert you never made? Advantage? And. Our choices really don't matter much here as the buff/nerf hammer swings around and around making people play events and buy boosters and artificially desire to try "new" things. The balances and fixes are not intended to fix anything, but to merely move your object of desire (lethality) just far enough away that a tidy sum of SP is required by the largest number of active players in order to acquire it. Free, unlimited respecs on demand forever, because it just doesn't matter and no one should ever care what anyone else does with their SP. The sig is back! K/D(r) matchmaking would even fix the matchmaking fix.
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1642	Posted - 2014.10.13 20:30:00 - [40] - Quote http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=By72eQtjglM Closed beta vet. Call me TrolLuna or Trollmare Moon, Reference link

Lloyd Orfay Commando Perkone Caldari State 61	Posted - 2014.10.13 20:57:00 - [41] - Quote We could really use one because of the stat rearrangements. While of course they were announced it can take months or so for average players that've yet to reach a sufficient amount of advanced/protogear to regain SP to get what they prefer in gameplay. It wouldn't be fair to do many changes that people cannot adapt to, since it would exactly be like gameplay mutilation. Though the one concern is people re-fitting their selves to exploit bad statistics, like scouts, so that their gameplay is easier. It would be very good for us if these issues were addressed in high priority, but I feel like that would be for along time to come.

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 579	Posted - 2014.10.13 21:40:00 - [42] - Quote DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

Forlorn Destrier Havok Dynasty 2784	Posted - 2014.10.13 22:06:00 - [43] - Quote DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. Every couple of months, someone asks for just "one last respec" and it's never the last request. Eventually, people might realize that there won't be another. I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1082	Posted - 2014.10.13 22:08:00 - [44] - Quote So everyone can be a scumbag cal scout? lolno Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :) Pls fix SCR CCP
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1263	Posted - 2014.10.13 22:11:00 - [45] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do. Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? Typical thought process from those against it , just stupid ... they have run out of excuses why we shouldn't have one and for the G.M . I believe the reason that we need one is , when members of the community calls for one , they have enough backing .. which there are far more people speaking out about one , so the need is obvious and it's not ruining the environment , in fact ... it's enhancing the game play and the playability of the game but those in charge wouldn't know anything about that now would they ..??.. I'm tired of talking about this . You people make destiny threads why ..??.. if you don't like the game . You people won't back a SP refund ..??.. why , when there's a large amount of players requesting such . The reason why you see so many threads about this topic is because it's needed , hell why else would players keep up this discussion ??? But it goes un noticed and missed like so many other opportunities , that's it's just not upsetting anymore ... in fact , I expect it . Between EVE players and management , this is a lost cause and I'm not even talking about refunds , it's this whole game in general . You people guard a refund like your hurting someone other then yourselves , if people don't like this environment then they will move elsewhere , now as a business ... when did it become appropriate to except such ..??.. even more so when you just had to do massive lay offs after acquiring a company , so you just basically wasted money except for copyrights and that will be used when and how ??? This is a joke , just like wasting time on a game where it's leadership doesn't care about it's consumers . It's obvious . You people act like your hurting someone by denying them this instance , when they can go and spend their time and money elsewhere and how will that help this business and company ??? Oh yeah , you'll keep milking the one's who just don't seem to get it . You know the one's who make post after post about how bad destiny is while it's killing with numbers 5 times the numbers of this game . They must be doing something right and I know for a fact that they listen to their consumers just threw their patch fixes , so that instill confidence in them from their consumers , you know ... the people who pay their bills and you wonder why and how they have the money to spend untold numbers on projects . They listen to their consumers and they must be doing something right . There numbers on a bad day will crush the numbers of EVE and Dust on a great day . Before you point the finger at someone else , talking about what their doing wrong ... fix your own problems first and you will realize that those who do so , don't have to much time to talk about what others aren't doing , because their getting their own house in order ... that's what adults do and what makes a good business . I support you OP but I'm just flat out tired of this $h!T and this game . Shouldn't have to go threw all of this to create a fun filled environment and it's like I have to beg one to install measures that will encourage me to spend money when I can do that stress and worry free and get what I'm asking for with no problem or hurdles to jump over some place else . But in the eyes of these people that would be my lost . Oh how they are so sadly mistaken . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2684	Posted - 2014.10.13 22:16:00 - [46] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. Define valid, because reason/validity has hardly been a hallmark of this game's development from day one, and I ache to hear what passes for it CCP-side. The sig is back! K/D(r) matchmaking would even fix the matchmaking fix.

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 580	Posted - 2014.10.13 22:27:00 - [47] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui - are you saying we don't listen to our players? Hm. Interesting. By a valid reason I mean something like when we introduced the racial variants for Dropsuits, adding a bunch of new Skills, or when we completely overhauled the Vehicle Skills. We totally should have done a respec for these updates, at least for the specific Skill Trees. Waitaminute.... GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 302	Posted - 2014.10.13 22:40:00 - [48] - Quote C'mon people. NO RESPEC ALLOWED!! You make decisions and you can never go back. You have the forums, you can ask fellow players, you can test out militia weapons to test if you would like it or not. People should be more aware of their choices, this is a lesson best learned early. People cry out because they are just that desperate for a respec to skill into the next fotm. I've made bad choices in the past as well, but i learned my lesson and now i am more aware of where i put my SP, i put it into things I like, I need, or I can use. I don't spec into things without being informed whether by others or by testing. I now am starting to skill into dropships because i want to and after the nerf it received im sure there are those that are WTF, why would you do that? Well guess what, its not the fotm so it's unlikely to get nerfed, maybe even a buff in the near future. I have even a posted a forum out asking about the dropships state of affairs, the meta game, fitting tips, best approach, and i got tips and advice from players who have made mistakes that i don't need to learn. All before i put tons of SP into it. I made a informed decision, I can stop now if i feel it would be a waste of a lot of SP. I didn't just get on the fotm bandwagon thinking that it won't be nerfed or never change. If it's OP or wholly advantageous, then that should be a tip that at some point it might be bad. If you skill into it and it gets nerfed....well.........ALL ON YOU BUDDY! #DEALWITHIT 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1046	Posted - 2014.10.13 22:56:00 - [49] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. well maybe give us a respec and the threads will end :P a good reason is you had the others have tinkered far too much with numbers and stats to a point where a weapon or utility has become completely different to what the user first got used to.. and with the frequency of how many threads pop up would be indication as to how the community (excluding stubborn bittervets) feel about it.. but we could take it another way.. take scouts.. they are far too powerful and people use them over medium suits but despite the outcry on forums you have done nothing to balance this issue.. granted you guys are probably working hard it just dosnt reflect well.. scouts.. OP.. people on forum ask for nerf.. goes unansered respec.. no real impact on game.. the people ask for it.. gets derailed by bittervets and swept under the rug seriously what are the bittervets scared of? some actual competition? are they that happy being proto-bears and stomping MLT suits that they would rather stomp new-bros and make them quit rather then try to help keep the new-bros who may have made a few SP mistakes before knowing what they were doing? ps. regarding Mu.. it seems to work as intended when both teams are random blueberrys but when it comes to squads the team with the squads always seems to win and the loseing team is always just random berrys Fish->barrel much? just makes me thing that Mu may not be working as well as it should be with regard to squad Mu value.. if it goes on averages they could just pull an alt in and lower that average quite considerably to get back to stomping. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1046	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:00:00 - [50] - Quote a respec would help newer players compete with Vets vets wouldnt need to use the respec because of the simple fact that they already got like 40m+ SP as it is.. so regardless they would end up with just a pool of unspent SP as before.. where newbros would learn the game and go a more focused route.. like the old philosophy in EVE.. a newer player can get up to speed with a vet if they train focused on a particular role.. and a respec in dust would help with that. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1046	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:02:00 - [51] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui - are you saying we don't listen to our players? Hm. Interesting. By a valid reason I mean something like when we introduced the racial variants for Dropsuits, adding a bunch of new Skills, or when we completely overhauled the Vehicle Skills. We totally should have done a respec for these updates, at least for the specific Skill Trees. Waitaminute.... you havnt listened to the massive outcry about how OP scouts are.. there is too many of them in matches now.. at least 50% of the deployed suits are scouts ill bet. scouts are OP because of several factors they can bring together in 1 package.. and 1 suit (gal logi) cannot combat them all [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
hfderrtgvcd 788	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:03:00 - [52] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui - are you saying we don't listen to our players? Hm. Interesting. By a valid reason I mean something like when we introduced the racial variants for Dropsuits, adding a bunch of new Skills, or when we completely overhauled the Vehicle Skills. We totally should have done a respec for these updates, at least for the specific Skill Trees. Waitaminute.... you mean kind of like when the scout bonuses where all changed in hotfix charlie? Or when the rifles where overhauled in bravo? Or when damage profiles were changed in delta? You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1046	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:04:00 - [53] - Quote Zindorak wrote: So everyone can be a scumbag cal scout? lolno naw smart people will save their sp as i feel a nerfageddon on the horizon for scouts.. especially the cal scout. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1046	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:07:00 - [54] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. Every couple of months, someone asks for just "one last respec" and it's never the last request. Eventually, people might realize that there won't be another. it wotn be "just one last respec" if each character made gets 1 chance to respec that seems fine.. once its used its gone.. it has negative effects for bittervets.. it as some positives for newbros like being able to compete with proto-bears and squad stompers a little more.. so the bittervets gotta actually try insted of "LULZ farming the MLT suits!" [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1046	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:10:00 - [55] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: GM Archduke wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. Define valid, because reason/validity has hardly been a hallmark of this game's development from day one, and I ache to hear what passes for it CCP-side. if you read about the reason why there was a "burn jita" protest... youll get a good grasp on that. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1046	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:12:00 - [56] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. how about give a respec to every one.. AFTER you nerf the scouts and NERF the railrifle that way there will be less people chaseing that defunct FOTM(which has basically become the FOTYear) and advertise it as a 1 time only thing.. and give players a good forewarning.. maybe 1-3 weeks. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 585	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:17:00 - [57] - Quote I'll check in with my managers tomorrow if I can explain the 'customer support view' about this topic in detail. I would love to :) Even though I know I won't convince anyone. And I don't want to. We know you guys want respecs, and we handle respec requests according to our policies. Every ticket reply with a denied respec request also includes the line "Please keep an eye on the DUST 514 Forum and DEV Blog, to be up-to-date with any DUST 514 related news, and to see if such an option will ever be available again." GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

maluble Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance 119	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:29:00 - [58] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? So what your saying is you dont have 10 mil worth of skills that were drastically changed making them invalid to your playstyle?
maluble Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance 119	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:30:00 - [59] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: I'll check in with my managers tomorrow if I can explain the 'customer support view' about this topic in detail. I would love to :) Even though I know I won't convince anyone. And I don't want to. We know you guys want respecs, and we handle respec requests according to our policies. Every ticket reply with a denied respec request also includes the line "Please keep an eye on the DUST 514 Forum and DEV Blog, to be up-to-date with any DUST 514 related news, and to see if such an option will ever be available again." Thank you
DrewEon1 11	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:35:00 - [60] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: I'll check in with my managers tomorrow if I can explain the 'customer support view' about this topic in detail. I would love to :) Even though I know I won't convince anyone. And I don't want to. We know you guys want respecs, and we handle respec requests according to our policies. Every ticket reply with a denied respec request also includes the line "Please keep an eye on the DUST 514 Forum and DEV Blog, to be up-to-date with any DUST 514 related news, and to see if such an option will ever be available again." You see that tons of us would love to get some respecs, and as many say, it might even out the playing field as far as proto stompers... I just would like to know why you are so reluctant to give us a respec with so many of us wanting one. I also understand that you have given respecs in the past for massive changes to the game, and hotfix delta wasn't that big. But it seems to be one of the largest changes to Dust in a while. If you could just give us the option for a single respec until maybe into project legions life time, it would make me and many others happy. Thank you for your consideration though.

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1266	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:39:00 - [61] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui - are you saying we don't listen to our players? Hm. Interesting. By a valid reason I mean something like when we introduced the racial variants for Dropsuits, adding a bunch of new Skills, or when we completely overhauled the Vehicle Skills. We totally should have done a respec for these updates, at least for the specific Skill Trees. Waitaminute.... I know that you know better then that , you have more refund threads then anything , so much so that you lock and delete them but they keep coming because the community cries for something that will spark interest . What's so hard about this ??? You get BP threads and you say that your working on it and the response is like instantly , you get post about scouts and you try to implement changes ( though some think that what was done was not enough ) and you will revisit that issue again I'm sure , you get vehicle threads and your attentive just like anti-vehicle , so I can see and say that you do listen but in this instance , you people act like your deaf , dumb and blind . Refund threads get crappy treatment but the community will not cease with them because they need it and you ... yourself can't deny it , I mean you can ignore it but when you come to the forums and see refund thread after refund thread and nothing clicks in your heads like , " Maybe we should just give them one , so we can please those who are asking , increase our player numbers ( players who have left might come back when news of a refund is known , hell someone made a post about that recently ) , make some money from and with the increased traffic , people enjoying themselves because the lobby is not a ghost town from the lack of bodies ( people playing the same people over and over in matches ) and players get a chance to focus on what's important to them ( i.e. actually hone a role out for themselves ) or they will try new things but all in all , that will increase the interest and involvement of the community . " Right now this environment is lame and dead , also boring and the amount of events are just not cutting it . I didn't mean to sound like I'm flying off the handle G.M. but this is just silly , to have to beg for a mechanic that will do nothing but increase the fun in the game and the environment . To have to go threw this running around like on a hamster's wheel for something that will do nothing but benefit the games overall progression and leave a nice taste in the mouth of those who can't follow this game into the PC universe , might bode well for you in any endeavor that you might bring to the PS4 . I have a PS4 that I haven't even opened yet because I'm waiting for Tom Clancy's The Division , tells you how serious some of us gamers are and how dedicated to certain games we can be . You can knock us with that #PCMASTERRACE crap all you like but console gamers create a lot of revenue for businesses and most would not be where they are today without the console gamer . A SP refund is needed , you see post about it on a regular and how can you just dismiss the evidence ? Let the nay sayers be because they are not happy one way or another , so you might as well come out on top creating some happiness in the process and showing some that you actually DO listen . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1047	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:41:00 - [62] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: I'll check in with my managers tomorrow if I can explain the 'customer support view' about this topic in detail. I would love to :) Even though I know I won't convince anyone. And I don't want to. We know you guys want respecs, and we handle respec requests according to our policies. Every ticket reply with a denied respec request also includes the line "Please keep an eye on the DUST 514 Forum and DEV Blog, to be up-to-date with any DUST 514 related news, and to see if such an option will ever be available again." shame we dont have a Jita to riot at for us dust bunnies as im sure there would be one :P as we cannot "riot" on the forums with out getting banned so that jut tells me a simple fact that we are reciveing lip service because we have no power as such. that keepign an eye on the devblog and news is just to show players the events.. MCC was plagued by bittervet proto stompers.. the sidearm event was plagued with scouts and bolt pistols ps.. you could give 1 free respec.. and then subsequent respec's could be 100,000 AUR.. BOOM instant 1000$ jeans ;) per say.. and more revenue for CCP from players who have more money then sense and want to chase the FOTM [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1051	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:55:00 - [63] - Quote maluble wrote: GM Archduke wrote: I'll check in with my managers tomorrow if I can explain the 'customer support view' about this topic in detail. I would love to :) Even though I know I won't convince anyone. And I don't want to. We know you guys want respecs, and we handle respec requests according to our policies. Every ticket reply with a denied respec request also includes the line "Please keep an eye on the DUST 514 Forum and DEV Blog, to be up-to-date with any DUST 514 related news, and to see if such an option will ever be available again." Thank you thats just lip service to make us think the answer will be any different ;) [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
maluble Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance 119	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:03:00 - [64] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? They will have an advantage because they will not have to "pay for their mistakes". I'm not concerned with any new players becoming competitive -- that already happens with great frequency -- but I am concerned with being given a respec as it is not fair to those of us who used their SP wisely. To flip this around a bit and using your logic, why not give an unlimited number of SP refunds? They will have access to the same skills as everyone at the same SP prices, right? Wrong. Because our choices should matter, and SP refunds mean they don't matter. Which is, essentially, what I'm saying. How does it not matter when one skills into something and a month later it gets changed? How is that not spending sp wisely when the function of the skill is changed? I think you should actually put some thought into your logic. Your rederic suggests that we should all be physic and predict when something will be changed. Not only that but they release half the weapons, equipment and suits a year later making my previous choices invalid, I dont need ar and cr I dont need sg after the min scout got a good bonus change and kn got a much needed buff. I could go on with more valid reason as to why we should get respec's when **** is always being changed. Why should we suffer because they can't make a semi balanced game to begin with let alone release all the content right away. This is not a model that will succeed even on PC.

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 588	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:06:00 - [65] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: thats just lip service to make us think the answer will be any different ;) Not talking about the answer, I can't change that. It will not be any different. And I have never said I'd have any influence on that Talking about some of the reasons why we don't do respecs. It's rather pointless talking about this apparently. Off to bed then. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

maluble Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance 119	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:06:00 - [66] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? They will have an advantage because they will not have to "pay for their mistakes". I'm not concerned with any new players becoming competitive -- that already happens with great frequency -- but I am concerned with being given a respec as it is not fair to those of us who used their SP wisely. To flip this around a bit and using your logic, why not give an unlimited number of SP refunds? They will have access to the same skills as everyone at the same SP prices, right? Wrong. Because our choices should matter, and SP refunds mean they don't matter. Which is, essentially, what I'm saying. I agree we shouldnt be able to respec every time we make a choice and end up regretting it, but when i skill into something and the way it works is changed, my choice means nothing. I don't mind tweaks to things but when it becomes useless I don't want it anymore because I never skilled into what it became. Nothing has become "useless", but many things have changed (positively and negatively, with the intent of balance). Moving past that, if you end up regretting your choices then perhaps you should be more measured rather than skill into FoTM or OP things before they get changed. If I'm wrong about that, kindly post a specific example of what you're talking about. Essentially what your saying leadfoot is it doesnt affect you so **** anyo e it does, do you live your life based on such selfish ideals?
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1051	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:10:00 - [67] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. This is what people have cried prior to every other respec. Just give us one and we'll never ask for another. We promise. No really, we'll never ask for one ever ever again as long as our immortal clones live. For realiez yo' ! What happens after they do get a respec though. No more than a week or so later people are once again crying for a respec. CCP need to take a stronger stand against this. They've already said they won't do it, now they need to start warning people who start these stupid threads. Respecs are bad for the game. They allow vets to instantly switch all their SP into the current FOTM and then some, the go against the EvE philosophy of "your choices are permenant," and they fail to even meet the needs of the people who ask for them since half the idiots calling for respecs still mess up with their skills in the post respec rush. Just give up on the repsecs already. Its been done. It doesn't work. Its bad for the game. the only other respec i know of was dropsuits ONLY when they finally released other races medium/light/heavy suits IE massive change/addition. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1051	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:11:00 - [68] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. This is what people have cried prior to every other respec. Just give us one and we'll never ask for another. We promise. No really, we'll never ask for one ever ever again as long as our immortal clones live. For realiez yo' ! What happens after they do get a respec though. No more than a week or so later people are once again crying for a respec. CCP need to take a stronger stand against this. They've already said they won't do it, now they need to start warning people who start these stupid threads. Respecs are bad for the game. They allow vets to instantly switch all their SP into the current FOTM and then some, the go against the EvE philosophy of "your choices are permenant," and they fail to even meet the needs of the people who ask for them since half the idiots calling for respecs still mess up with their skills in the post respec rush. Just give up on the repsecs already. Its been done. It doesn't work. Its bad for the game. only the scrubs and trolls will ask for a respec after that [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
maluble Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance 119	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:12:00 - [69] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. This is what people have cried prior to every other respec. Just give us one and we'll never ask for another. We promise. No really, we'll never ask for one ever ever again as long as our immortal clones live. For realiez yo' ! What happens after they do get a respec though. No more than a week or so later people are once again crying for a respec. CCP need to take a stronger stand against this. They've already said they won't do it, now they need to start warning people who start these stupid threads. Respecs are bad for the game. They allow vets to instantly switch all their SP into the current FOTM and then some, the go against the EvE philosophy of "your choices are permenant," and they fail to even meet the needs of the people who ask for them since half the idiots calling for respecs still mess up with their skills in the post respec rush. Just give up on the repsecs already. Its been done. It doesn't work. Its bad for the game. the only other respec i know of was dropsuits ONLY when they finally released other races medium/light/heavy suits IE massive change/addition. Which should have come after the release of the new weapons.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1051	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:12:00 - [70] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: thats just lip service to make us think the answer will be any different ;) Not talking about the answer, I can't change that. It will not be any different. And I have never said I'd have any influence on that Talking about some of the reasons why we don't do respecs. It's rather pointless talking about this apparently. Off to bed then. i was right then :P it was just lip service to try stop a Thread-naught from hotdropping the forums [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1051	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:14:00 - [71] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? It's not spending SP unwisely if what you spent it on gets changed. How are choices supposed to matter if CCP takes our choices and ***** all over them? Which is why I support respecs just on things that get changed, not full-blown respecs. That way, our choices REALLY WILL MATTER. You're crying over spilled milk The only skill point refund I remember in EVE in 8 years when was they removed learning skills. It wasn't a respec, it was a return. THAT IS WHY IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN If CCP won't refund SP in EVE, their bread and butter, even when they make such sweeping changes to ship design, they WILL NOT do it in Dust. You know what happens in EVE when something get's put on it's a$s? People adapt, they skill into new ships, they pull out old ships they haven't used in 3 years, a very tiny amount rage on the forums. Those that rage get told the same thing you see on these forums. It's exponentially easier to skill into new suits and weapons in this game that it is in EVE. Suck it up and quit whining. wrong they also gave SP back when they tiericided destroyers and battlecruisers [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1082	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:18:00 - [72] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Zindorak wrote: So everyone can be a scumbag cal scout? lolno naw smart people will save their sp as i feel a nerfageddon on the horizon for scouts.. especially the cal scout. Good. I don't need anymore scouts. My gal scout gets the job done and im saving for min assault Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :) Pls fix SCR CCP
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1051	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:26:00 - [73] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Zindorak wrote: So everyone can be a scumbag cal scout? lolno naw smart people will save their sp as i feel a nerfageddon on the horizon for scouts.. especially the cal scout. Good. I don't need anymore scouts. My gal scout gets the job done and im saving for min assault i do like min assault.. CR+SMG.. CR+flaylock.. dual flaylock.. dual SMG.. their racial bonus is just brilliant. all scouts will get nerfed not just cal. :P after that nerf i can bet there will be caldari assaults running like the old cal scouts :P [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1267	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:26:00 - [74] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: I'll check in with my managers tomorrow if I can explain the 'customer support view' about this topic in detail. I would love to :) Even though I know I won't convince anyone. And I don't want to. We know you guys want respecs, and we handle respec requests according to our policies. This is basically saying that it won't happen , eventhough it happened multiple times in the past ( when many that are asking didn't even know about Dust , much yet played it ) .. they have changed their policies and it won't happen again . It's good to see a discussion but the key phrase and the tell .. tell is in the second sentence . Won't convince and don't want to tells a lot in it's self . If you people have eyes to see , you already know what's coming and if I'm wrong I will be the first to be thankful and admit my mistake but like I said , it's expected what I already know will happen . If you can read , then you should have an ideal . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
BlazeXYZ G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 277	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:28:00 - [75] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: I'll check in with my managers tomorrow if I can explain the 'customer support view' about this topic in detail. I would love to :) Even though I know I won't convince anyone. And I don't want to. We know you guys want respecs, and we handle respec requests according to our policies. Every ticket reply with a denied respec request also includes the line "Please keep an eye on the DUST 514 Forum and DEV Blog, to be up-to-date with any DUST 514 related news, and to see if such an option will ever be available again." Pretty sure they're gonna say no because they still want us to buy boosters. The Blazing Intellect Machine
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1082	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:28:00 - [76] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Zindorak wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Zindorak wrote: So everyone can be a scumbag cal scout? lolno naw smart people will save their sp as i feel a nerfageddon on the horizon for scouts.. especially the cal scout. Good. I don't need anymore scouts. My gal scout gets the job done and im saving for min assault i do like min assault.. CR+SMG.. CR+flaylock.. dual flaylock.. dual SMG.. their racial bonus is just brilliant. all scouts will get nerfed not just cal. :P after that nerf i can bet there will be caldari assaults running like the old cal scouts :P with their fa**ot rail rifle. Sad that my gal scot could be nerfed. I really like it and it was my first proto suit. Can't wait to get that min assault tho Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :) Pls fix SCR CCP
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1052	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:30:00 - [77] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Zindorak wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Zindorak wrote: So everyone can be a scumbag cal scout? lolno naw smart people will save their sp as i feel a nerfageddon on the horizon for scouts.. especially the cal scout. Good. I don't need anymore scouts. My gal scout gets the job done and im saving for min assault i do like min assault.. CR+SMG.. CR+flaylock.. dual flaylock.. dual SMG.. their racial bonus is just brilliant. all scouts will get nerfed not just cal. :P after that nerf i can bet there will be caldari assaults running like the old cal scouts :P with their fa**ot rail rifle. Sad that my gal scot could be nerfed. I really like it and it was my first proto suit. Can't wait to get that min assault tho ikr? i want adv min assault and finish maxing out my core's and equipments. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1084	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:33:00 - [78] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Zindorak wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Zindorak wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: naw smart people will save their sp as i feel a nerfageddon on the horizon for scouts.. especially the cal scout. Good. I don't need anymore scouts. My gal scout gets the job done and im saving for min assault i do like min assault.. CR+SMG.. CR+flaylock.. dual flaylock.. dual SMG.. their racial bonus is just brilliant. all scouts will get nerfed not just cal. :P after that nerf i can bet there will be caldari assaults running like the old cal scouts :P with their fa**ot rail rifle. Sad that my gal scot could be nerfed. I really like it and it was my first proto suit. Can't wait to get that min assault tho ikr? i want adv min assault and finish maxing out my core's and equipments. the amount of SP needed for maxing out cores is too damn high lol Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :) Pls fix SCR CCP
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1267	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:38:00 - [79] - Quote BlazeXYZ wrote: GM Archduke wrote: I'll check in with my managers tomorrow if I can explain the 'customer support view' about this topic in detail. I would love to :) Even though I know I won't convince anyone. And I don't want to. We know you guys want respecs, and we handle respec requests according to our policies. Every ticket reply with a denied respec request also includes the line "Please keep an eye on the DUST 514 Forum and DEV Blog, to be up-to-date with any DUST 514 related news, and to see if such an option will ever be available again." Pretty sure they're gonna say no because they still want us to buy boosters. But a refund won't stop that from happening . Everyone that's asking for one , isn't sitting on a load of SP's to begin with , hell it may create a need for a booster or two . I'm not denouncing or going against what your saying B but the excuses should stop now seeing as there is no clear cut FOTM and they are still changing items . More traffic will create a greater need for boosters and such , people might just spend money because they are thankful for the refund . I just don't see why people are against it . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
xavier zor G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo 68	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:40:00 - [80] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. GM ARCHDUKE HEAR ME OUT! I support this....but....it should cost aurum. Here's why you should do it...and why you shouldn't 1: We want new toys (Proto railgun, proto CR ect.) and they only way to get them FAST is by using REAL money. You get $$ 2: It keeps interest in the game. E.g just like uprising 1.8 did, this will be an 'update' for us. New 'content' will be added to our inventory/skill tree 3: Raise the price for each respec. Why you shouldn't 1: You shouldn't do this if you want dust 514 to die quickly 2: You shouldn't do this if you think my win-win scenario is rubbish and i am not a 5th year marketing agent scout ck.0 here!

KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1355	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:44:00 - [81] - Quote Respec thread number #1079. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1355	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:48:00 - [82] - Quote To op and others asking for "give us respec be be over with it": Guess what? You've already gotten it. There has been several respecs in course of dust history. Guess what else? There was a new GAEV ME RESPEC -thread the following day. On every occasion there's been new one in three days at the latest. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2567	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:49:00 - [83] - Quote Yes, I too want Amarr Sentinel, Assault, and Scout 514. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1053	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:49:00 - [84] - Quote Zindorak wrote: the amount of SP needed for maxing out cores is too damn high lol that it may be but the hp cpu and pg gained is all encompassing so it is definatly not wasted sp [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1053	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:50:00 - [85] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: To op and others asking for "give us respec be be over with it": Guess what? You've already gotten it. There has been several respecs in course of dust history. Guess what else? There was a new GAEV ME RESPEC -thread the following day. On every occasion there's been new one in three days at the latest. yes and those were only for the bitterest of the vets who dont dust no more.. where as most of us are the new crop who never got grades with the blessing of an sp respec [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1084	Posted - 2014.10.14 00:51:00 - [86] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Zindorak wrote: the amount of SP needed for maxing out cores is too damn high lol that it may be but the hp cpu and pg gained is all encompassing so it is definatly not wasted sp yas Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :) Pls fix SCR CCP
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 317	Posted - 2014.10.14 01:06:00 - [87] - Quote DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. All non combat personal please report to the aft deck, this means you now. Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1271	Posted - 2014.10.14 01:11:00 - [88] - Quote xavier zor wrote: Why you shouldn't 1: You shouldn't do this if you want dust 514 to die quickly Now , this is my thoughts as to why it's not or will not happen . This is telling a lot and a good observation from you Xavier . I'm not going to lie , the ONLY reason that I still play this game is for the fight that those who are fighting for a refund are undertaking , I like the game and the community and all but there is just so much missing after FF from people leaving to the changes ( they were needed ) and the simple blandness of the present environment . If this doesn't happen , I can do nothing but just fade away and no you can't have my ISK's either . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
TritusX PH4NT0M5 34	Posted - 2014.10.14 01:32:00 - [89] - Quote We don't NEED one. It would just be a nice benefit. Like for me. The idea still haunts me that when I first joined DUST 514, I skilled DS command to 3, then skilled Gallente Heavy dropsuits 3. Now I regret it :/ I'm a Min logi and Min scout for God's sake.... Scout 514 forever
BlazeXYZ G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 278	Posted - 2014.10.14 01:36:00 - [90] - Quote I would go for a weaponry or a dropship command respec since ccp changed a weapons profile and comptlely redesigned the assault dropsuit and yes this is some significant changes. The Blazing Intellect Machine

Boot Booter Pure Evil. Capital Punishment. 937	Posted - 2014.10.14 01:38:00 - [91] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: To op and others asking for "give us respec be be over with it": Guess what? You've already gotten it. There has been several respecs in course of dust history. Guess what else? There was a new GAEV ME RESPEC -thread the following day. On every occasion there's been new one in three days at the latest. yes and those were only for the bitterest of the vets who dont dust no more.. where as most of us are the new crop who never got grades with the blessing of an sp respec I've been through every respec in dust history, I'm not bitter, and I still dust frequently. No to respecs. Even if they give one there will be another "new crop" crying for one eventually. Where does it end? Here's the answer, it doesn't. I like that dust is one of the few games out there that puts true value into leveling your character. Respecs in any game cheapen character development a great deal, essentially changing the feel of a character from unique to an undefined blob of SP or exp. If you want to skill into something else you gotta do it the hard way. Props to ccp for staying adamant to this ideal within fair reason. What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1062	Posted - 2014.10.14 01:40:00 - [92] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: xavier zor wrote: Why you shouldn't 1: You shouldn't do this if you want dust 514 to die quickly Now , this is my thoughts as to why it's not or will not happen . This is telling a lot and a good observation from you Xavier . I'm not going to lie , the ONLY reason that I still play this game is for the fight that those who are fighting for a refund are undertaking , I like the game and the community and all but there is just so much missing after FF from people leaving to the changes ( they were needed ) and the simple blandness of the present environment . If this doesn't happen , I can do nothing but just fade away and no you can't have my ISK's either . i agree.. i jsut had an awesome fight in FW.. joined when we had lost shields and enemy had 4/5 shield still.. i swing into action with tactical uplinks and Point camping like a bawss and we close the gap and JUST snag victory from the ajws of defeat as both MCC's were 0/0 and 1 hit from destruction but our MCC got its hit in first and we won! i tell ya.. FW is better then pub.. just a shame i got screwed on the salvage at the end.. 17/1 and i only got a basic presision and 1 complex shield modual.. too meny people running BPOs! D: [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1062	Posted - 2014.10.14 01:41:00 - [93] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: To op and others asking for "give us respec be be over with it": Guess what? You've already gotten it. There has been several respecs in course of dust history. Guess what else? There was a new GAEV ME RESPEC -thread the following day. On every occasion there's been new one in three days at the latest. yes and those were only for the bitterest of the vets who dont dust no more.. where as most of us are the new crop who never got grades with the blessing of an sp respec I've been through every respec in dust history, I'm not bitter, and I still dust frequently. No to respecs. Even if they give one there will be another "new crop" crying for one eventually. Where does it end? Here's the answer, it doesn't. I like that dust is one of the few games out there that puts true value into leveling your character. Respecs in any game cheapen character development a great deal, essentially changing the feel of a character from unique to an undefined blob of SP or exp. If you want to skill into something else you gotta do it the hard way. Props to ccp for staying adamant to this ideal within fair reason. never heard of you, never seen you.. this is first time iv actually seen you post "Who are you?" [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Boot Booter Pure Evil. Capital Punishment. 937	Posted - 2014.10.14 01:49:00 - [94] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: To op and others asking for "give us respec be be over with it": Guess what? You've already gotten it. There has been several respecs in course of dust history. Guess what else? There was a new GAEV ME RESPEC -thread the following day. On every occasion there's been new one in three days at the latest. yes and those were only for the bitterest of the vets who dont dust no more.. where as most of us are the new crop who never got grades with the blessing of an sp respec I've been through every respec in dust history, I'm not bitter, and I still dust frequently. No to respecs. Even if they give one there will be another "new crop" crying for one eventually. Where does it end? Here's the answer, it doesn't. I like that dust is one of the few games out there that puts true value into leveling your character. Respecs in any game cheapen character development a great deal, essentially changing the feel of a character from unique to an undefined blob of SP or exp. If you want to skill into something else you gotta do it the hard way. Props to ccp for staying adamant to this ideal within fair reason. never heard of you, never seen you.. this is first time iv actually seen you post "Who are you?" Don't you know bad boys move in silence and violence? What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1062	Posted - 2014.10.14 01:52:00 - [95] - Quote TritusX wrote: We don't NEED one. It would just be a nice benefit. Like for me. The idea still haunts me that when I first joined DUST 514, I skilled DS command to 3, then skilled Gallente Heavy dropsuits 3. Now I regret it :/ I'm a Min logi and Min scout for God's sake.... you coudl hope and pray they improve the M-CRUs and you could run a DS with an MCRU to drop your bros around the map [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1062	Posted - 2014.10.14 01:54:00 - [96] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: To op and others asking for "give us respec be be over with it": Guess what? You've already gotten it. There has been several respecs in course of dust history. Guess what else? There was a new GAEV ME RESPEC -thread the following day. On every occasion there's been new one in three days at the latest. yes and those were only for the bitterest of the vets who dont dust no more.. where as most of us are the new crop who never got grades with the blessing of an sp respec I've been through every respec in dust history, I'm not bitter, and I still dust frequently. No to respecs. Even if they give one there will be another "new crop" crying for one eventually. Where does it end? Here's the answer, it doesn't. I like that dust is one of the few games out there that puts true value into leveling your character. Respecs in any game cheapen character development a great deal, essentially changing the feel of a character from unique to an undefined blob of SP or exp. If you want to skill into something else you gotta do it the hard way. Props to ccp for staying adamant to this ideal within fair reason. never heard of you, never seen you.. this is first time iv actually seen you post "Who are you?" Don't you know bad boys move in silence and violence? bad boys get locked in my dungeon.. "Get the Gimp..." :P but seriously silence and violence is probably just a scout with NKs.. so nothing to see here [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1062	Posted - 2014.10.14 01:56:00 - [97] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: To op and others asking for "give us respec be be over with it": Guess what? You've already gotten it. There has been several respecs in course of dust history. Guess what else? There was a new GAEV ME RESPEC -thread the following day. On every occasion there's been new one in three days at the latest. ^ typical bittervet.. we got ours.. you dont get one.. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
xavier zor G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo 68	Posted - 2014.10.14 02:09:00 - [98] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: xavier zor wrote: Why you shouldn't 1: You shouldn't do this if you want dust 514 to die quickly Now , this is my thoughts as to why it's not or will not happen . This is telling a lot and a good observation from you Xavier . I'm not going to lie , the ONLY reason that I still play this game is for the fight that those who are fighting for a refund are undertaking , I like the game and the community and all but there is just so much missing after FF from people leaving to the changes ( they were needed ) and the simple blandness of the present environment . If this doesn't happen , I can do nothing but just fade away and no you can't have my ISK's either . **** your ISK...keep it yeah Dust 514 will die in its current state (no port to PS4, only on PS3) But, correct me if i'm wrong, legion is a PC version of dust 514, which means a lot more players will be opened up to the tranquility server. THEN they should port to PS4 with dust 514's income, legions profits...ect But it isn't as simple as that unfortunately and remaking it for the playstation 4 requires more than just labour money (dev work) Also need the rights to use the PS4 as a system to operate dust on ($$$) scout ck.0 here!
VECTORS ABROAD Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2014.10.14 02:41:00 - [99] - Quote We are never going to get a respec when legion comes out because legion is a myth trying to bring more players. Cup can't even give us any details on it. CCP READ THIS. I am not excited for legion because I love my ps3 and dust is a material thing and legion is a dream. Life sucks sometimes, much like Dust 514.
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1643	Posted - 2014.10.14 02:50:00 - [100] - Quote how about Closed beta vet. Call me TrolLuna or Trollmare Moon, Reference link

Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 1052	Posted - 2014.10.14 02:55:00 - [101] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui - are you saying we don't listen to our players? Hm. Interesting. By a valid reason I mean something like when we introduced the racial variants for Dropsuits, adding a bunch of new Skills, or when we completely overhauled the Vehicle Skills. We totally should have done a respec for these updates, at least for the specific Skill Trees. Waitaminute.... You are being a little bit too confrontational in your approach. You are totally right, but the attitude is off putting.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1062	Posted - 2014.10.14 02:58:00 - [102] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: how about how racist to the dutch! [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1062	Posted - 2014.10.14 03:00:00 - [103] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: GM Archduke wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui - are you saying we don't listen to our players? Hm. Interesting. By a valid reason I mean something like when we introduced the racial variants for Dropsuits, adding a bunch of new Skills, or when we completely overhauled the Vehicle Skills. We totally should have done a respec for these updates, at least for the specific Skill Trees. Waitaminute.... You are being a little bit too confrontational in your approach. You are totally right, but the attitude is off putting. its probably the stress building up because we keep on demanding something they do not wish to give us because we dont have any power or rights to protest like they do in EVE. and i have had some rather rude and confrontational GMs on support tickets too not saying names as i dont want to be forum banned again :\| [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1274	Posted - 2014.10.14 03:40:00 - [104] - Quote xavier zor wrote: ** your ISK...keep it yeah Dust 514 will die in its current state (no port to PS4, only on PS3) But, correct me if i'm wrong, legion is a PC version of dust 514, which means a lot more players will be opened up to the tranquility server. THEN they should port to PS4 with dust 514's income, legions profits...ect But it isn't as simple as that unfortunately and remaking it for the playstation 4 requires more than just labour money (dev work) Also need the rights to use the PS4 as a system to operate dust on ($$$) I didn't mean you can't have it , you know when you talk about leaving the vultures begin to fly around looking for some scraps . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .**
xavier zor G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo 69	Posted - 2014.10.14 03:41:00 - [105] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: xavier zor wrote: **** your ISK...keep it yeah Dust 514 will die in its current state (no port to PS4, only on PS3) But, correct me if i'm wrong, legion is a PC version of dust 514, which means a lot more players will be opened up to the tranquility server. THEN they should port to PS4 with dust 514's income, legions profits...ect But it isn't as simple as that unfortunately and remaking it for the playstation 4 requires more than just labour money (dev work) Also need the rights to use the PS4 as a system to operate dust on ($$$) I didn't mean you can't have it , you know when you talk about leaving the vultures begin to fly around looking for some scraps . oh lol sorry im content with my 5 mil scout ck.0 here!
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1643	Posted - 2014.10.14 03:53:00 - [106] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: how about how racist to the dutch! well Closed beta vet. Call me TrolLuna or Trollmare Moon, Reference link
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 407	Posted - 2014.10.14 04:07:00 - [107] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. If I spec into a class for a specific reason. Then you change that. I no longer have what I spec'd into it for. Is that not enough reason for a respec? "Anybody order chaos?"
xavier zor G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo 71	Posted - 2014.10.14 04:18:00 - [108] - Quote I just had a mental thought experiment: They wont allow a respec because it will keep us around for longer....but will it? Right now, dust 514 is slowly declining with the release of destiny. Not many players want to work hard at a game with 2k people on at once for just one suit, when they know that dust is dying and eventually all that time will go to waste. However they DO want to spend that time working hard at destiny because they know destiny just launched, so if they start now they will be a veteran at destiny. If a respec is called on dust, he will be like 'oh, i don't have to work hard to unlock proto commando suits...time to play dust again for another few months because i have new toys.' instead of 'well...dust IS declining, so i don't see the point in working hard for SP on dust when it will all go to waste. Destiny, however, just started. That is a good game to invest time into.' So, devs...it is more rewarding to work hard for our SP but let me end with an example. Wise is the man who builds a house on rock, not on sand but wiser is a man who takes residence in a house already built on sand than to build one on rock DESTINY IS THE ROCK DUST IS THE SAND He has built his house in dust, and is sick of it but he would rather reside on a house already built in sand than build on one rock scout ck.0 here!
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1756	Posted - 2014.10.14 04:21:00 - [109] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: *Rayray James Nevertheless, you can't say that our choices matter, despite that it is supposed to be a major aspect of Dust. Your choices do matter. They still matter. Things change. Everyone complains about OP/UP in a hundred threads a week in GD alone. There will be continual balances of fittings, things will change. The fact that this gun got buffed, or that suit got nerfed isn't that big of a deal. If it's a minor change (which they usually are) it's nearly irrelevant. If something was so OP that it got the nerf bat, then you knew it when training that item, and should have known it was going to get the bat. If something you trained into got extremely buffed and then nerfed back, well, you're probably still in a better position than before. The only people I see wanting a respec seem to have this "grand plan" on what they'd do with the SP, were they to get it back. You can see it in every thread. I'd take this to 5 and that to 5 and this over here to 5 and finish that. What do they always seem to skill into? The things that were most recently buffed. Look, I wasn't thrilled with the way the ADS got hit this time around. I have so many LVL 5 skills in vehicles that I can't use the way I used to before. That doesn't mean the points are useless. The ADS will get looked at 10 more times before Legion and it'll get hit with the bat again and buffed again and hit with the bat again, etc. I still fly my ADS, I just lose them more often than I did before. Just because something got changed, doesn't make you skill point investment pointless. I means you need to reevaluate your play style. Adapt. Figure out something new. You might just stumble upon something you truly love that you wouldn't have seen before you were forced to. that makes no sense what so ever. because if i skilled into gallente heavy because it had 4 low slots and then after they changed it to have 3 low slots then thats not what i would have put SP into. if someone skilled into caldari scout for the scan bonus then they take the scan bonus away then there should be a refund of SP. most people didn't make any mistakes with there SP but what they have was completely changed. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
howard sanchez 968	Posted - 2014.10.14 04:29:00 - [110] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. I understand and 'respect' ccp's decision not to offer any more respecs. It's a game design decision that,over the long run, is best for the health of the game. The problem, of course, is that there is supposedly no longer a " long run" for dust. And selling respecs for autumn would be a smart decision for dust because, 1) it generates income, 2) it forces them to insist that everyone start Legion without bringing SP over and, 3) it offers more data for ccp to learn what works and what doesn't in the micro transaction market ...

Banjo Robertson Evzones Public.Disorder. 279	Posted - 2014.10.14 04:34:00 - [111] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. I would say that, when the dropsuit respec was given, it should have been a full respec instead. Making more dropsuits available allowed some people to branch off into new roles that their prefered race did not have available any more, or to switch race but keep the same role. This means players may have also wanted to switch up how their core skills and weapon skills were trained in order to match the new dropsuits they wanted to go into, but only dropsuits were given the sp respec, this meant that no matter what dropsuit you wanted to go back into, with 2 new scout and 3 new heavies available to choose from, you also had to keep the same core and weapon skills. Loyal gallente, minmitar, caldari players who wanted to switch to their new heavy, who hadnt used the amarr heavy or skilled into forge gun/hmg had to find extra sp to skill into the heavy weapons they wanted to use to match their new suits if they were to spend all the dropsuit SP back into dropsuits. This is how I feel atleast, a full respec from back when the final dropsuits were added was what needed to happen and should be offered. The vehicle respec came at a point where vehicles got changed quite a bit, and that fit. And now, AV in the form of swarm launchers, plasma cannons, and to a lesser extent forge guns have changed too, dropships have changed and so have assault dropships as well. Maybe a full vehicle respec isnt in order from the recent changes but an assault dropship/small turret respec might be in order. Every time something does change, it might not be large enough of a change to actually warrent a respec of what has been changed, but there will be people who feel like the changes are enough to make a respec valid.
lunatis orrak Battlefield Brawlers 50	Posted - 2014.10.14 04:49:00 - [112] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: I personally don't. You people need to http://youtu.be/zAxMw_gcKvo?t=43s and/or spend your SP wisely. Hard to do such a thing when you come back from a break and find your 6 mill SP investment worthless CHUBBY CHASER FOR LIFE `!BEWARE MY FAT BULLDOGS! The leash is not for your protection`
danie sous DUST BRASIL S.A Dark Taboo 28	Posted - 2014.10.14 05:22:00 - [113] - Quote How about a respect to the people who play dust in a non-supported foreign language. Ya'll the real scrubs.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1952	Posted - 2014.10.14 05:23:00 - [114] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: thats just lip service to make us think the answer will be any different ;) Not talking about the answer, I can't change that. It will not be any different. And I have never said I'd have any influence on that Talking about some of the reasons why we don't do respecs. It's rather pointless talking about this apparently. Off to bed then. And GM Archduke wins with the most level headed statement in this entire thread. There is clearly no convincing people that respecs are not going to happen and that when CCP gives them out they will have a very good reason for doing so. Off to sleep then, where I'm a viking. Now with more evil.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1757	Posted - 2014.10.14 06:26:00 - [115] - Quote DrewEon1 wrote: GM Archduke wrote: I'll check in with my managers tomorrow if I can explain the 'customer support view' about this topic in detail. I would love to :) Even though I know I won't convince anyone. And I don't want to. We know you guys want respecs, and we handle respec requests according to our policies. Every ticket reply with a denied respec request also includes the line "Please keep an eye on the DUST 514 Forum and DEV Blog, to be up-to-date with any DUST 514 related news, and to see if such an option will ever be available again." You see that tons of us would love to get some respecs, and as many say, it might even out the playing field as far as proto stompers... I just would like to know why you are so reluctant to give us a respec with so many of us wanting one. I also understand that you have given respecs in the past for massive changes to the game, and hotfix delta wasn't that big. But it seems to be one of the largest changes to Dust in a while. If you could just give us the option for a single respec until maybe into project legions life time, it would make me and many others happy. Thank you for your consideration though. because keeping the players happy is a bad idea in there eyes. players leaving to go play other game seems like a good business model in there eyes. i may be crazy but makeing money has all ways been a good idea in my eyes. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5401	Posted - 2014.10.14 06:33:00 - [116] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: GM Archduke wrote: I'll check in with my managers tomorrow if I can explain the 'customer support view' about this topic in detail. I would love to :) Even though I know I won't convince anyone. And I don't want to. We know you guys want respecs, and we handle respec requests according to our policies. Every ticket reply with a denied respec request also includes the line "Please keep an eye on the DUST 514 Forum and DEV Blog, to be up-to-date with any DUST 514 related news, and to see if such an option will ever be available again." You see that tons of us would love to get some respecs, and as many say, it might even out the playing field as far as proto stompers... I just would like to know why you are so reluctant to give us a respec with so many of us wanting one. I also understand that you have given respecs in the past for massive changes to the game, and hotfix delta wasn't that big. But it seems to be one of the largest changes to Dust in a while. If you could just give us the option for a single respec until maybe into project legions life time, it would make me and many others happy. Thank you for your consideration though. because keeping the players happy is a bad idea in there eyes. players leaving to go play other games seems like a good business model in there eyes. i may be crazy but makeing money has all ways been a good idea in my eyes. They could make this game pay to win im sure they would make people happy and make money, but is that what they should do? EVE 21 Day Trial Templar BPOs EVE 2nd decade CE items
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 407	Posted - 2014.10.14 06:34:00 - [117] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? It's not spending SP unwisely if what you spent it on gets changed. How are choices supposed to matter if CCP takes our choices and ***** all over them? Which is why I support respecs just on things that get changed, not full-blown respecs. That way, our choices REALLY WILL MATTER. You're crying over spilled milk The only skill point refund I remember in EVE in 8 years when was they removed learning skills. It wasn't a respec, it was a return. THAT IS WHY IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN If CCP won't refund SP in EVE, their bread and butter, even when they make such sweeping changes to ship design, they WILL NOT do it in Dust. You know what happens in EVE when something get's put on it's a$s? People adapt, they skill into new ships, they pull out old ships they haven't used in 3 years, a very tiny amount rage on the forums. Those that rage get told the same thing you see on these forums. It's exponentially easier to skill into new suits and weapons in this game that it is in EVE. Suck it up and quit whining. So I spec into assault full proto. Assault is rendered useless currently do to the fact that scouts are better at being assault. I can do ten times more with my gal scout than I can with my gal assault. Both are proto, but the assault is a waste of isk?! If I were to get just my suit and weapon points back I could choose to run two types of scout instead. I don't even run the assault at this point?! Almost got the gal commando proto too because it's also more versatile than my assault. It can use light weapons and tank armor. It can be slow or fast ( as you can get a heavy). It serves double as AV and fire support. With assault you have to choose one or the other. All my points in the AR and gal assault were pretty much a waste as I watched both the weapon and the class get nerfed and outclassed into oblivion?! Any points into the ScR was a waste as it has been killed?! These changes were after the fact that I spent the points. I spec into it for one reason only to have that reason removed. To be completely honest with you I can care less about eve outside of OB support. The two games simply aren't integrated enough to matter. What you don't get in eve shouldn't be denied to me in dust simply because you get on the forums and say "htfu"?! Eve is an entirely different game. When they change a ship it's still a ship. You change guns or whatever and keep mining?! In dust when they nerf something it gets obliterated!!! They completely change the way the suit or weapon operates. The gal heavy slot were 4 low 1 high. They switch them with the Amarr 3 low 2 high for the game "lore". That's a complete suit change! Well now gal heavy players want to spec into Amarr heavies to get their performance back, and rightfully so! I understand tweaks, but you must also understand how steep some of these changes have been. Once rattati finds a balance a respec is in order. The race you picked might be useless to your playstyle altogether by the time he's through. If you play well with Amarr weapons, and they get nerfed? Maybe your new weapon is minmatar weapons. By the time they're done I will have points all over the skill tree at this rate?! Remember! If I ran proto assault first that means I ran assault style mods. Armor, damage mods, shields, etc. Now due to the fact that assault is useless I run proto scout, but I must also spec into scout weapons and mods?! Your talking about saving millions of sp just to be effective?! We're not whining. We're asking for some consideration. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 407	Posted - 2014.10.14 06:42:00 - [118] - Quote lunatis orrak wrote: Cavani1EE7 wrote: I personally don't. You people need to http://youtu.be/zAxMw_gcKvo?t=43s and/or spend your SP wisely. Hard to do such a thing when you come back from a break and find your 6 mill SP investment worthless Exactly! "Anybody order chaos?"
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2686	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:32:00 - [119] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: GM Archduke wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. If I spec into a class for a specific reason. Then you change that. I no longer have what I spec'd into it for. Is that not enough reason for a respec? Here's an event... about.... um, grenades! Buy boooostirs! The sig is back! K/D(r) matchmaking would even fix the matchmaking fix.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 209	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:34:00 - [120] - Quote They should have it on that Intros with Unreal Engine, and CCP and after big RED NO RESPEC "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."

CoochMaster Flex Contract Hunters 2	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:38:00 - [121] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: I'll check in with my managers tomorrow if I can explain the 'customer support view' about this topic in detail. I would love to :) Even though I know I won't convince anyone. And I don't want to. We know you guys want respecs, and we handle respec requests according to our policies. Every ticket reply with a denied respec request also includes the line "Please keep an eye on the DUST 514 Forum and DEV Blog, to be up-to-date with any DUST 514 related news, and to see if such an option will ever be available again." How about you add the respec feature in the game. Everyone ask for it so bad constantly. Just add it to the game already, BUT it has to cost a butt load of ISK OR Aurum. I'd be happy with that. It's not about how much sheild and armor you stack to win. It's how you use the suit to win.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1953	Posted - 2014.10.14 14:20:00 - [122] - Quote CoochMaster Flex wrote: GM Archduke wrote: I'll check in with my managers tomorrow if I can explain the 'customer support view' about this topic in detail. I would love to :) Even though I know I won't convince anyone. And I don't want to. We know you guys want respecs, and we handle respec requests according to our policies. Every ticket reply with a denied respec request also includes the line "Please keep an eye on the DUST 514 Forum and DEV Blog, to be up-to-date with any DUST 514 related news, and to see if such an option will ever be available again." How about you add the respec feature in the game. Everyone ask for it so bad constantly. Just add it to the game already, BUT it has to cost a butt load of ISK OR Aurum. I'd be happy with that. I'm game for that but only if the price is 1 mil aur. No more no less. Now with more evil.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1218	Posted - 2014.10.14 14:54:00 - [123] - Quote Just quit the game if you can't handle the changes. Alldin Kan has joined the battle!
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1686	Posted - 2014.10.14 15:00:00 - [124] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Zindorak wrote: So everyone can be a scumbag cal scout? lolno naw smart people will save their sp as i feel a nerfageddon on the horizon for scouts.. especially the cal scout. The smart people figured that out long ago and have been storing SP well ahead of every hotfix since then.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 499	Posted - 2014.10.14 15:15:00 - [125] - Quote maluble wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? So what your saying is you dont have 10 mil worth of skills that were drastically changed making them invalid to your playstyle? I do, He does, we all do if we've been playing for any sort of long time. They aren't invalid. You can't use all your skills all the time. If you use a logi suit, your points in commango, sentinel or scout aren't invalid, they just aren't being used at the time. Do you want a respec every time you switch a suit? Before every match? How many respecs do you want, because there's more changes coming down the pipe.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1686	Posted - 2014.10.14 15:36:00 - [126] - Quote maluble wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? So what your saying is you dont have 10 mil worth of skills that were drastically changed making them invalid to your playstyle? Yes, I'm saying I have very little wasted SP. I've got all core skills maxed, 4 proto suits, 2 proto weapons, and 2 proto sidarms. A few of those suits have changed significantly (cal scout and gal logi), which required a change to MY playstyle. One of the weapons was useless for months (AR). Two more had their roles change significantly (Gal Logi and Cal Scout). The AR and RR have been nerfed, buffed, and nerfed again. Never did I complain. Never asked for a respec. Just quietly went about adapting to the changes.... And perhaps if your playstyle was a little more flexible and your foresight was a little better, you, too, wouldn't be crying over something that isn't going to happen. Do you do anything other than scout? That's the only suit I ever recall you seeing. Perhaps the issue isn't CCP, but rather you....as putting all your eggs into one basket makes you even more at risk when the balance bat is swung.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 499	Posted - 2014.10.14 15:42:00 - [127] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: RayRay James wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? It's not spending SP unwisely if what you spent it on gets changed. How are choices supposed to matter if CCP takes our choices and ***** all over them? Which is why I support respecs just on things that get changed, not full-blown respecs. That way, our choices REALLY WILL MATTER. You're crying over spilled milk The only skill point refund I remember in EVE in 8 years when was they removed learning skills. It wasn't a respec, it was a return. THAT IS WHY IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN If CCP won't refund SP in EVE, their bread and butter, even when they make such sweeping changes to ship design, they WILL NOT do it in Dust. You know what happens in EVE when something get's put on it's a$s? People adapt, they skill into new ships, they pull out old ships they haven't used in 3 years, a very tiny amount rage on the forums. Those that rage get told the same thing you see on these forums. It's exponentially easier to skill into new suits and weapons in this game that it is in EVE. Suck it up and quit whining. So I spec into assault full proto. Assault is rendered useless currently do to the fact that scouts are better at being assault. I can do ten times more with my gal scout than I can with my gal assault. Both are proto, but the assault is a waste of isk?! If I were to get just my suit and weapon points back I could choose to run two types of scout instead. I don't even run the assault at this point?! Almost got the gal commando proto too because it's also more versatile than my assault. It can use light weapons and tank armor. It can be slow or fast ( as you can get a heavy). It serves double as AV and fire support. With assault you have to choose one or the other. All my points in the AR and gal assault were pretty much a waste as I watched both the weapon and the class get nerfed and outclassed into oblivion?! Any points into the ScR was a waste as it has been killed?! These changes were after the fact that I spent the points. I spec into it for one reason only to have that reason removed. To be completely honest with you I can care less about eve outside of OB support. The two games simply aren't integrated enough to matter. What you don't get in eve shouldn't be denied to me in dust simply because you get on the forums and say "htfu"?! Eve is an entirely different game. When they change a ship it's still a ship. You change guns or whatever and keep mining?! In dust when they nerf something it gets obliterated!!! They completely change the way the suit or weapon operates. The gal heavy slot were 4 low 1 high. They switch them with the Amarr 3 low 2 high for the game "lore". That's a complete suit change! Well now gal heavy players want to spec into Amarr heavies to get their performance back, and rightfully so! I understand tweaks, but you must also understand how steep some of these changes have been. Once rattati finds a balance a respec is in order. The race you picked might be useless to your playstyle altogether by the time he's through. If you play well with Amarr weapons, and they get nerfed? Maybe your new weapon is minmatar weapons. By the time they're done I will have points all over the skill tree at this rate?! Remember! If I ran proto assault first that means I ran assault style mods. Armor, damage mods, shields, etc. Now due to the fact that assault is useless I run proto scout, but I must also spec into scout weapons and mods?! Your talking about saving millions of sp just to be effective?! We're not whining. We're asking for some consideration. You really think swapping out t2 blasters for t2 lasers is a simple as swapping an AR for a CR? CCP has done slot layout changes every 6 months I can remember playing. The ships are no different than the suits in that sense. You may not care about EVE, and that's fine, but you should understand that the same developer is making the game. Set in the same universe, set by (essentially) same rules for both. Yes, I in fact have had ships destroyed by changes to the game. I used to fly a Myrmadon that was armor tanked and had 5 heavy drones. Now the right way to fit that is shield tanked with medium drones. Same hull, completely different ship. The hurricane is another ship they keep changing. Don't even LOOK at the EVE forums regarding the Jump Distance changes coming in. Every null-sec block $hit themselves. YES! You will have skill points spread across everything in game, get over it. My main has MILLIONS of SP in industry that haven't been used in half a decade. I used them at one point, I don't anymore. Mostly because changes to industry made me not want to play that style anymore. YES! CCP wan'ts you to retrain into weapons, your "millions of SP to save", when they make changes. Conversely, if you know changes are coming, save your SP. Wait to see how things play out, then apply them. Asking for consideration while sounding like a petulant, spoiled child (not you specifically) is going to come across as whining. There are plenty of people here, who have gotten an answer from a GM, and have said "Waah, but that's not fair, that's not what I want". The people with concise arguments for getting a respec keep getting drowned out by the whiners and when a GM all but says 'Ain't happening, here's why', people keep going on.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1686	Posted - 2014.10.14 15:51:00 - [128] - Quote maluble wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? They will have an advantage because they will not have to "pay for their mistakes". I'm not concerned with any new players becoming competitive -- that already happens with great frequency -- but I am concerned with being given a respec as it is not fair to those of us who used their SP wisely. To flip this around a bit and using your logic, why not give an unlimited number of SP refunds? They will have access to the same skills as everyone at the same SP prices, right? Wrong. Because our choices should matter, and SP refunds mean they don't matter. Which is, essentially, what I'm saying. How does it not matter when one skills into something and a month later it gets changed? How is that not spending sp wisely when the function of the skill is changed? I think you should actually put some thought into your logic. Your rederic suggests that we should all be physic and predict when something will be changed. Not only that but they release half the weapons, equipment and suits a year later making my previous choices invalid, I dont need ar and cr I dont need sg after the min scout got a good bonus change and kn got a much needed buff. I could go on with more valid reason as to why we should get respec's when **** is always being changed. Why should we suffer because they can't make a semi balanced game to begin with let alone release all the content right away. This is not a model that will succeed even on PC. It does matter that thing get changed. However, if you're stupid enough not to realize that this game (and, frankly, every FPS) struggles with balance and haven't realized over the 20 or so iterations of this game that it's a continual process, is it CCP's fault or is it your fault? There is no truly balanced FPS. They all have series of nerfs and buffs to try to achieve balance. The wise player realizes that and chooses their skills wisely against this backdrop. And so you know, the "model that will [not] succeed even on a PC" has been surviving for more than a decade with Eve, not to mention countless other FPS and MMOs that use a similar model, and respecs after every change water down a fundamental tenet of the genre -- your choices matter. So I guess I just need to put some thought into my logic....or you need to realize that all games with skill trees suffer this same challenge.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1686	Posted - 2014.10.14 15:57:00 - [129] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: If I'm wrong about that, kindly post a specific example of what you're talking about. All racial starter fittings had the Assault Rifle fitted to them making new players believe that was their racial go-to weapon... which is 100% wrong and led to many players (who were not Gallente) dumping SP into a weapon that was not inline with their racial rifles. That's hardly an example of useless. At best it's an example of "less useful".
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1686	Posted - 2014.10.14 16:01:00 - [130] - Quote maluble wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: maluble wrote: I agree we shouldnt be able to respec every time we make a choice and end up regretting it, but when i skill into something and the way it works is changed, my choice means nothing. I don't mind tweaks to things but when it becomes useless I don't want it anymore because I never skilled into what it became. Nothing has become "useless", but many things have changed (positively and negatively, with the intent of balance). Moving past that, if you end up regretting your choices then perhaps you should be more measured rather than skill into FoTM or OP things before they get changed. If I'm wrong about that, kindly post a specific example of what you're talking about. Essentially what your saying leadfoot is it doesnt affect you so **** anyo e it does, do you live your life based on such selfish ideals? That's not what I'm saying at all.... What I'm saying is I saw it coming and planned accordingly....and when things don't go as planned, I don't complain, I don't QQ, I adapt. So I guess you don't have a specific example then...and would rather infer that I'm selfish for wanting everyone to be held to the same standard where your decisions matter rather than refund SP because some players specced into FoTM and now it's not as dominant as it was???

RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 499	Posted - 2014.10.14 16:04:00 - [131] - Quote Leadfoot10, I like you. I wish I had more votes to give.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2175	Posted - 2014.10.14 16:06:00 - [132] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: And so you know, the "model that will [not] succeed even on a PC" has been surviving for more than a decade with Eve, not to mention countless other FPS and MMOs that use a similar model, and respecs after every change water down a fundamental tenet of the genre -- your choices matter. The choices you make don't matter when CCP changes things on a whim. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1686	Posted - 2014.10.14 16:08:00 - [133] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: And so you know, the "model that will [not] succeed even on a PC" has been surviving for more than a decade with Eve, not to mention countless other FPS and MMOs that use a similar model, and respecs after every change water down a fundamental tenet of the genre -- your choices matter. The choices you make don't matter when CCP changes things on a whim. But they're not "changing things on a whim". They are changing things to improve balance.... ...just like every FPS I've ever played in the past two decades.... ...and just like Dust has been since closed beta.
Lonewolf Heavy Chaotic Company 136	Posted - 2014.10.14 16:18:00 - [134] - Quote I've been playing since before closed beta, and honestly i can care less about respecs, I've made and deleted 4 other characters because I made mistakes. This character Ive had for almost 2 years now and just like with EVE, i've spec'ed into so many things i regret (e.g. assaults, logi's, and scouts) but honestly I do use them from time to time based on events that come up. so yea you might spec into something that gets changed, but its still helpful to have in case of events or if they get buffed Everyone used to make fun of me for going proto in commandos when they were first released but then I stuck with them and after they released all of them I went straight into Minimitar Sentinel and Commando proto even though they had the lowest EHP. Again I got mocked and then look at them now. everyone hates me because i can tear apart any vehicle I want with my winmando . Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1009	Posted - 2014.10.14 16:25:00 - [135] - Quote The ONLY time we should get a respec is when all racial variants of vehicles, suits, and weapons are in the game. The only reason we should get that is because there have been a lot of people forced into things they did not want but that was their only choice. For those that are going to say oh well this, this, and this have been added since last respec its still a NO in my book because if they were to give out a respec every time something was added then people would just count on that and wildly blow their SP on the FOTM and then whine that respecs are not happening fast enough. WHEN THINKING ABOUT MAKING A RESPEC THREAD THINK NEVER MIND.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2175	Posted - 2014.10.14 17:03:00 - [136] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: And so you know, the "model that will [not] succeed even on a PC" has been surviving for more than a decade with Eve, not to mention countless other FPS and MMOs that use a similar model, and respecs after every change water down a fundamental tenet of the genre -- your choices matter. The choices you make don't matter when CCP changes things on a whim. But they're not "changing things on a whim". They are changing things to introduce new content and improve balance.... ...just like every FPS I've ever played in the past two decades.... ...and just like Dust has been since closed beta. So, either you can recognize that and plan accordingly or you can continue to cry for respecs and argue that those who disagree make no sense. The choice is yours. I guess you forgot we only had a dropsuit SP refund for 1.8, when everybody on here wanted a full infantry respec. I had a full vehicle SP refund for 1.7, there wasn't any reason not to get a full dropsuit SP refund. You have no logical argument against one. You think people will get an unfair advantage over you, even though everybody would get one. Or do you enjoy stomping on noobs so much that you won't allow one for that reason alone? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1758	Posted - 2014.10.14 17:11:00 - [137] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: And so you know, the "model that will [not] succeed even on a PC" has been surviving for more than a decade with Eve, not to mention countless other FPS and MMOs that use a similar model, and respecs after every change water down a fundamental tenet of the genre -- your choices matter. The choices you make don't matter when CCP changes things on a whim. But they're not "changing things on a whim". They are changing things to introduce new content and improve balance.... ...just like every FPS I've ever played in the past two decades.... ...and just like Dust has been since closed beta. So, either you can recognize that and plan accordingly or you can continue to cry for respecs and argue that those who disagree make no sense. The choice is yours. come on now Lead stop acting like we don't know how to play dust and use SP wisely. i have 4 proto suits heavy,2 assaults, and a scout plus 6 proto weapons no matter what happens every patch i have something i can run thats effective. i never wanted to have to do that as i prefer 1 role and gun but noobs cry to nerf the **** out of something till it completely changes or is useless. this makes me use my SP sideways instead of truely maxing out my prefered role. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 500	Posted - 2014.10.14 17:12:00 - [138] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: And so you know, the "model that will [not] succeed even on a PC" has been surviving for more than a decade with Eve, not to mention countless other FPS and MMOs that use a similar model, and respecs after every change water down a fundamental tenet of the genre -- your choices matter. The choices you make don't matter when CCP changes things on a whim. But they're not "changing things on a whim". They are changing things to introduce new content and improve balance.... ...just like every FPS I've ever played in the past two decades.... ...and just like Dust has been since closed beta. So, either you can recognize that and plan accordingly or you can continue to cry for respecs and argue that those who disagree make no sense. The choice is yours. I guess you forgot we only had a dropsuit SP refund for 1.8, when everybody on here wanted a full infantry respec. I had a full vehicle SP refund for 1.7, there wasn't any reason not to get a full dropsuit SP refund. You have no logical argument against one. You think people will get an unfair advantage over you, even though everybody would get one. Or do you enjoy stomping on noobs so much that you won't allow one for that reason alone? People already have an unfair advantage over me and I have 52 Mil SP It's called skill. They have it, i don't. (When it comes to guns, I'll Logi the $hit out of someone though) I still don't think there needs to be a respec. The reason they did only dropsuits vs full vehicle respecs was because of just how much they removed in 1.7. Trying to unwind the modules, vehicles and core skills for all the vehicles would have taken forever if it could have been done at all. Dropsuits, they refunded the whole tree because the rest of the modules and weapons weren't so intertwined. I don't think most of the people here against respec's are that way because they want too scream "get gud, noob" on the forums. In my scenario, it's because I have seen that even after the respecs we have gotten, people will never be satisfied. If CCP gives an inch (one time respec) the forums will want a foot (anytime respecs). The only way to prevent that is to just never give in.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9753	Posted - 2014.10.14 17:13:00 - [139] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: I guess you forgot we only had a dropsuit SP refund for 1.8, when everybody on here wanted a full infantry respec. I had a full vehicle SP refund for 1.7, there wasn't any reason not to get a full dropsuit SP refund. Dropsuits have absolutely no bearing on the effectiveness of the vehicles which is why you never got a full dropsuit SP refund in 1.7 as pilot suits never even came around. Maybe I can agree that dropsuit SP should have been refunded alongside core skill refund, but that's it. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 500	Posted - 2014.10.14 17:14:00 - [140] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: come on now Lead stop acting like we don't know how to play dust and use SP wisely. i have 4 proto suits heavy,2 assaults, and a scout plus 6 proto weapons If you have all those Proto items and haven't maxed out your preferred role, that's your own fault.

CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1758	Posted - 2014.10.14 17:43:00 - [141] - Quote RayRay James wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: come on now Lead stop acting like we don't know how to play dust and use SP wisely. i have 4 proto suits heavy,2 assaults, and a scout plus 6 proto weapons If you have all those Proto items and haven't maxed out your preferred role, that's your own fault. small things like fitting optimization LvL 5 on a gun. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Michael Arck 5885	Posted - 2014.10.14 17:50:00 - [142] - Quote This again??? Can we start locking these type of threads?? Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 502	Posted - 2014.10.14 18:03:00 - [143] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: RayRay James wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: come on now Lead stop acting like we don't know how to play dust and use SP wisely. i have 4 proto suits heavy,2 assaults, and a scout plus 6 proto weapons If you have all those Proto items and haven't maxed out your preferred role, that's your own fault. small things like fitting optimization LvL 5 on a gun. Now your just being silly
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1690	Posted - 2014.10.14 18:41:00 - [144] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: And so you know, the "model that will [not] succeed even on a PC" has been surviving for more than a decade with Eve, not to mention countless other FPS and MMOs that use a similar model, and respecs after every change water down a fundamental tenet of the genre -- your choices matter. The choices you make don't matter when CCP changes things on a whim. But they're not "changing things on a whim". They are changing things to introduce new content and improve balance.... ...just like every FPS I've ever played in the past two decades.... ...and just like Dust has been since closed beta. So, either you can recognize that and plan accordingly or you can continue to cry for respecs and argue that those who disagree make no sense. The choice is yours. I guess you forgot we only had a dropsuit SP refund for 1.8, when everybody on here wanted a full infantry respec. I had a full vehicle SP refund for 1.7, there wasn't any reason not to get a full dropsuit SP refund. You have no logical argument against one. You think people will get an unfair advantage over you, even though everybody would get one. Or do you enjoy stomping on noobs so much that you won't allow one for that reason alone? I have forgotten nothing, and it's worth noting your "everybody" didn't include me. Moving past that, my argument is perfectly logical: Our choices should matter. Just because you disagree doesn't mean it's not logical. And I don't need my proto weapons and guns to stomp noobs. Stop being silly. I simply think our choices should matter...and I shouldn't be penalized for making sound long-term decisions by giving those with more of a short term focus a "get out of bad choices for free" SP refund.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14717	Posted - 2014.10.14 18:45:00 - [145] - Quote Just quit amd collect your respec if Legion ever happens Too many try hard role players here, you'll never talk sense into them. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 152	Posted - 2014.10.14 18:55:00 - [146] - Quote no sp reset asset reset on the other hand also play as strangeland stranger, larlac theest, gauntlett5487, and balacs sixkin
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1690	Posted - 2014.10.14 18:58:00 - [147] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: come on now Lead stop acting like we don't know how to play dust and use SP wisely. i have 4 proto suits heavy,2 assaults, and a scout plus 6 proto weapons no matter what happens every patch i have something i can run thats effective. i never wanted to have to do that as i prefer 1 role and gun but noobs cry to nerf the **** out of something till it completely changes or is useless. this makes me use my SP sideways instead of truely maxing out my prefered role. I certainly wouldn't infer that about you, Cuse....but some of these posters sure have me scratching my head on what's driving their request -- thus the question about specific examples. And in fairness to Rat, the latest rounds of balance hotfixes has been much better than the OHK nerhammer that was used on the Logis, active scanners, TAR, Flaylock, or other much more impactful nerfs that the vets like you and I can recall like they were yesterday. Said a bit differently, crying about a respec because the latest nerf to the Assault Scrambler Pistol is far different from crying about a reespec after they nerfed the Flaylock to oblivion a year ago.
hfderrtgvcd 796	Posted - 2014.10.14 19:03:00 - [148] - Quote why are players against respecs? At worst it doesn't effect you while it makes the game more enoyable for others and brings people back. Also, its kind of difficult to "adapt" to ccp's changes when you have less that 10 million sp. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4919	Posted - 2014.10.14 19:04:00 - [149] - Quote I'd say the number one reason for a respec is that so many people want one. If they grouped it with an asset refund as well I think it would bring a lot of people back. I've mentioned that before and the anti-respec dudes say they don't believe it would. But that's utterly insane. Anything to bring people back to Dust is a good thing. Level 4 Forum Warrior Help Me Reach Level 5
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1690	Posted - 2014.10.14 19:10:00 - [150] - Quote Just so you guys don't think I'm being ridiculous here... Bringing people back to the game would be something that may change my view on this topic. But what I read in this thread are a bunch of people who already play who want a respec so they can erase the effects of balance on their character. In the end, I suppose it doesn't really affect me outside of this action reinforcing FoTM chasing in the playerbase or any advantage my more measured approach to SP investment has given me. But if the end result is more players playing this game, then I could get on board.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4919	Posted - 2014.10.14 19:25:00 - [151] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Just so you guys don't think I'm being ridiculous here... Bringing people back to the game would be something that may change my view on this topic. But what I read in this thread are a bunch of people who already play who want a respec so they can erase the effects of balance on their character. In the end, I suppose it doesn't really affect me outside of this action reinforcing FoTM chasing in the playerbase or any advantage my more measured approach to SP investment has given me. But if the end result is more players playing this game, then I could get on board. I think the FoTM stuff is overblown at this point. You can point to like 12 things that are FoTM. I like the potential of it for the people with 10-15 mil SP. Having these players specialize a bit as opposed to being spread out across vehicles and different infantry roles would really empower them. Imagine that, with all of them having 50 million or so ISK from an asset refund as well. I think matches would be pretty intense for a while. Level 4 Forum Warrior Help Me Reach Level 5
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1691	Posted - 2014.10.14 19:37:00 - [152] - Quote Agreed on all counts... FoTM is certainly less prevalent than before. And we should consider things that improve gameplay and bring new players on board -- even if they whittle away some of the advantage those with more SP have. But I still come back to the fact that every single FPS and MMO with skill trees need your choices to matter (otherwise what's the point) and giving respecs violates this tenet. Now, sure, if there's nobody left to play the game then perhaps we can relax it, but is that really the right decision in the long run? Is it really necessary? Clearly, CCP has said no....and I tend to agree. But you do make an effective argument, and I appreciate your tone in comparison to some respondents...Leadfoot
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1758	Posted - 2014.10.14 19:52:00 - [153] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: come on now Lead stop acting like we don't know how to play dust and use SP wisely. i have 4 proto suits heavy,2 assaults, and a scout plus 6 proto weapons no matter what happens every patch i have something i can run thats effective. i never wanted to have to do that as i prefer 1 role and gun but noobs cry to nerf the **** out of something till it completely changes or is useless. this makes me use my SP sideways instead of truely maxing out my prefered role. I certainly wouldn't infer that about you, Cuse....but some of these posters sure have me scratching my head on what's driving their request -- thus the question about specific examples. And in fairness to Rat, the latest rounds of balance hotfixes has been much better than the OHK nerhammer that was used on the Logis, active scanners, TAR, Flaylock, or other much more impactful nerfs that the vets like you and I can recall like they were yesterday. Said a bit differently, crying about a respec because the latest nerf to the Assault Scrambler Rifle, the damage profile of the CR, or the starting gun on a Frontline suit is far different from crying about a respec after they nerfed the Flaylock to oblivion a year ago. But really, both arguments for respecs fall on the deaf ears of this clone: Our choices should matter. i really don't need a respec as my choices were well thought out. now i would enjoy switching some of my suits because they were changed to the point were they are not the fit i was designing. but what has me pushing for this is a guy joined my corp and i feel bad he is not ready for PC but wants to play. as i sat down with the young man i found that he totally screwed up and has SP all over the place to the point it will take 5 months before he is PC ready. i have all ways argued against a respec but at this stage of the game its fine by me. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4922	Posted - 2014.10.14 19:52:00 - [154] - Quote I think the respec should have happened when all the suits and the weapons came. I think it would have been easier to justify the choices matter side of the arguement. For NPE purposes, I'd probably build in an automatic respec at 15 million SP. I would consider a respec at this stage sort of a compromise. Level 4 Forum Warrior Help Me Reach Level 5
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4922	Posted - 2014.10.14 19:55:00 - [155] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: come on now Lead stop acting like we don't know how to play dust and use SP wisely. i have 4 proto suits heavy,2 assaults, and a scout plus 6 proto weapons no matter what happens every patch i have something i can run thats effective. i never wanted to have to do that as i prefer 1 role and gun but noobs cry to nerf the ** out of something till it completely changes or is useless. this makes me use my SP sideways instead of truely maxing out my prefered role. I certainly wouldn't infer that about you, Cuse....but some of these posters sure have me scratching my head on what's driving their request -- thus the question about specific examples. And in fairness to Rat, the latest rounds of balance hotfixes has been much better than the OHK nerhammer that was used on the Logis, active scanners, TAR, Flaylock, or other much more impactful nerfs that the vets like you and I can recall like they were yesterday. Said a bit differently, crying about a respec because the latest nerf to the Assault Scrambler Rifle, the damage profile of the CR, or the starting gun on a Frontline suit is far different from crying about a respec after they nerfed the Flaylock to oblivion a year ago. But really, both arguments for respecs fall on the deaf ears of this clone: Our choices should matter. i really don't need a respec as my choices were well thought out. now i would enjoy switching some of my suits because they were changed to the point were they are not the fit i was designing. but what has me pushing for this is a guy joined my corp and i feel bad he is not ready for PC but wants to play. as i sat down with the young man i found that he totally screwed up and has SP all over the place to the point it will take 5 months before he is PC ready. i have all ways argued against a respec but at this stage of the game its fine by me. I've personally talked to 2 people in the same boat this week. There's no telling how much more effective these guys would be with a few specialized roles. Level 4 Forum Warrior** Help Me Reach Level 5
jpmannu Maphia Clan Corporation 56	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:14:00 - [156] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do. Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? No, he's right, the disadvantage comes from the unwise spending, so why should unwise berrys be now be granted?
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3246	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:47:00 - [157] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. Hey Archduke, since you're a GM can you give me special forum powers just for a minute so I can +1 your post more than once? It wouldn't be like farming, really @Respec topic in general - Limitless respecs are, in my repeatedly stated view, detrimental to Dust. If requested I can 'wall 'o text' about it but for now I'll keep it short and sweet. In fact I'll boil it down to a couple of questions. 1) How would limitless respecs NOT undermine the value of choices like invested SP? 2) If you (the respondent to this question) are not advocating limitless respecs but rather a "one time" respec what would your method be for addressing every thread requesting a respec which will be posted after this one last final respec is given? 0.02 ISK Cross PS ~ I say this as someone who has invested quite a bit of SP into things that serve no purpose for me. I have leveled several basic frames up behind lvl 3 due to misreading the text at the time. Level 4-5 skills are not cheap and since I have the specialist suits, they are also totally unused. I would personally gain extra competitive advantages were a respec to transpire, that however is insufficient to motivate me to support it at this time. See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 114	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:48:00 - [158] - Quote here are some steadfast unbeatable arguments for the braindeads anti respec people 1. getting into the next FOTM takes like 2 weeks 2. the game is dead in terms of relevance. CCP has done almost everything to make anything here not matter. 3. dust is not eve, stop comparing it and making yourself look stupid. in eve you get all SP passive and you need less SP for skills. you can do other stuff for a month, come back and have something new at really good SP levels. in dust, this is not an option. beside that, if you are not happy you can aswell go to the market bazar and buy another character with ISK only disillusioned scrubs would think differently about that
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 213	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:57:00 - [159] - Quote I start from scratch and i dont need respec anymore "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3592	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:59:00 - [160] - Quote I am of the belief that when players reach 20-25 million skill points, respecs become unneeded as these players would have already accumulated enough SP to fill out their core skills, upgrade a suit and primary weapon to level 5, and have enough excess to dabble in other weapons. However, for players that have 20 million and below, a respec would enable them to properly flush out their skills and would allow them to better optimize their builds. I am not against respecs even though I do not need one. In fact, I'm all for them even if I'll be inconvenienced with the task of redistributing my points all over again into the same exact skills.

Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3246	Posted - 2014.10.14 22:00:00 - [161] - Quote Cpt McReady wrote: here are some steadfast unbeatable arguments for the braindeads anti respec people 1. getting into the next FOTM takes like 2 weeks 2. the game is dead in terms of relevance. CCP has done almost everything to make anything here not matter. 3. dust is not eve, stop comparing it and making yourself look stupid. in eve you get all SP passive and you need less SP for skills. you can do other stuff for a month, come back and have something new at really good SP levels. in dust, this is not an option. beside that, if you are not happy you can aswell go to the market bazar and buy another character with ISK only disillusioned scrubs would think differently about that Hyperbole aside none of this answers either of my questions posed above. 1. Define what "getting into" entails in your definition here. How much SP are we talking about, how many new things being added to the current character, how many support skills assumed to already be in place, etc. Context matters Also, if it is so simply then what virtues compel the need for a respec in the first place? 2. "Relevance" is, I suppose, subjective but this is pretty much a straw man. Content wise it amounts to saying "I think things are bad so I think it doesn't matter if we do stuff that makes things bad." Circular reasoning is not sound reasoning. If this has more merit and context to it beyond a baseline 'bitter vet = yes' sentiment then please detail it so that I better understand because at present it really does sound like you are just saying "I don't care so you shouldn't either". 3. Dust is not EVE, correct. Insulting people isn't terribly constructive and while I haven't compared it here so I do not take this comment to be directed at me I also cannot help but notice there are rather glaring reasons why someone might compare it. Some skills in even take more than a month for a single level so "really go levels" seems heavily subjective, as does the claim that you "need less SP for skills". You are correct however that you can buy EVE characters with ISK, not that their terribly cheap, or that you are guaranteed to find the build you are looking for (depending, of course, on what you are looking for). Really with the dismissing and hyperbolic tone of this post I cannot help but wonder why you care sufficently about the subject to discuss it if you are so scornful of the trivial impact that having a respec would, in your presented view, have. 0.02 ISK Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3246	Posted - 2014.10.14 22:02:00 - [162] - Quote double post See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 214	Posted - 2014.10.14 22:13:00 - [163] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: double post Triple post "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 344	Posted - 2014.10.14 22:16:00 - [164] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: lip service Best part of this entire thread. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 618	Posted - 2014.10.14 22:34:00 - [165] - Quote I decided not to try and explain why we don't want respecs - again. Whatever I would say would be misinterpreted and you guys would just go on repeating the same over-used arguments. So I'll do the same, and just suggest to keep an eye on the Forum and DEV-Blog - if we'll ever have such an option in DUST 514 ever-ever-ever again, these are the two places it would be announced. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

DrewEon1 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 21	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:26:00 - [166] - Quote Why? Why is it that after all this begging you can't give us a simple respec option? So many people want it and greatly need it. It would bring back players, keep players playing, and make the game better for all of us. Just why can't we? Why so reluctant?
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 214	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:29:00 - [167] - Quote DrewEon1 wrote: Why? Why is it that after all this begging you can't give us a simple respec option? So many people want it and greatly need it. It would bring back players, keep players playing, and make the game better for all of us. Just why can't we? Why so reluctant? FoTM to Extreeeeeemes boyo "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
BlazeXYZ G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 282	Posted - 2014.10.15 00:23:00 - [168] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: I decided not to try and explain why we don't want respecs - again. Whatever I would say would be misinterpreted and you guys would just go on repeating the same over-used arguments. So I'll do the same, and just suggest to keep an eye on the Forum and DEV-Blog - if we'll ever have such an option in DUST 514 ever-ever-ever again, these are the two places it would be announced. Don't give us a full respec give us a respec that affected a specific skill tree greatly from hotfixes such as Dropsuit command and weaponry. I don't understand why after one year of great changes to the game small respecs are not given to players. I mean a change in a weapons profile, redesigning assault suits completely, and changing the bonus for scouts just calls for a respec. The Blazing Intellect Machine
DrewEon1 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 21	Posted - 2014.10.15 00:41:00 - [169] - Quote Game Informer- Dust 514 A low-end shooter with sky-high ambitions. Maybe a start could be a respec? Please just tell us why you won't give respecs!
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 502	Posted - 2014.10.15 01:22:00 - [170] - Quote DrewEon1 wrote: Game Informer- Dust 514 A low-end shooter with sky-high ambitions. Maybe a start could be a respec? Please just tell us why you won't give respecs! How may ways and times do they have to repeat themselves It's currently not fecking happening If you want reasons why, use the search function at this point

xavier zor G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo 73	Posted - 2014.10.15 06:42:00 - [171] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. GM Archduke, hello! I can't understand your frustration with respec threads, and know that you have more important things (legion) to do...so your superiors won't like you wasting time on a dead idea BUT If this isn't convincing enough then....give me the CCP game development address to send mail to, i am sure you guys will be interested in opening some mail that isn't a bill The respec idea sucks. Why give us a respec for free??? And i have NEVER had a respec by the way, so i am definetaly for a respec, but make it win-win for us and you! See all the people wanting a respec....almost all of them have bought aurum, i can bet on it. And if they bought aurum to use items temporarily, how much more so would they buy the SAME amount to use them PERMENANTLY??? see where i'm going...? Make the respec cost aurum, and the downtime should last the actual 30 minutes with all the devs resetting the variable value of available SP to equal lifetime SP. We would definetaly buy aurum for a change of play-style. and hey, if your superiors listen to you listening to me, you will be much loved by the community...more than CCP Rattatai Pros and Cons (most of them) Pro: More activity and aurum income Con: More protostomping happening (but your advertising sucks, so not many new people play anyway) Pro: More love from Xavier and the Dust 514 community Con: More threads about wanting this and that because we know that you listen to us (if you do this respec) READ IT. please cheers! scout ck.0 here!
Logical Logi Immortal Guides 15	Posted - 2014.10.15 07:33:00 - [172] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. I accidentally triple clicked something while the skill tree was in the background and the third click skilled me into Small Turrets lv5. That's a valid reason right? Most valid yet at least. Matter o Fact, you should give me a respec and screw the rest of these Mercs =ƒÿ+ Director of Millitary Operations and General recruitment/training for Immortal Guides.
Logical Logi Immortal Guides 15	Posted - 2014.10.15 07:36:00 - [173] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Cpt McReady wrote: here are some steadfast unbeatable arguments for the braindeads anti respec people 1. getting into the next FOTM takes like 2 weeks 2. the game is dead in terms of relevance. CCP has done almost everything to make anything here not matter. 3. dust is not eve, stop comparing it and making yourself look stupid. in eve you get all SP passive and you need less SP for skills. you can do other stuff for a month, come back and have something new at really good SP levels. in dust, this is not an option. beside that, if you are not happy you can aswell go to the market bazar and buy another character with ISK only disillusioned scrubs would think differently about that Hyperbole aside none of this answers either of my questions posed above. 1. Define what "getting into" entails in your context here. How much SP are we talking about, how many new things being added to the current character, how many support skills assumed to already be in place, etc. Context matters Also, if it is so simple then what virtues compel the need for a respec in the first place? 2. "Relevance" is, I suppose, subjective but this is pretty much a straw man. Content wise it amounts to saying "I think things are bad so I think it doesn't matter if we do stuff that makes things bad." Circular reasoning is not sound reasoning. If this has more merit and context to it beyond a baseline 'bitter vet = yes' sentiment then please detail it so that I better understand because at present it really does sound like you are just saying "I don't care so you shouldn't either". 3. Dust is not EVE, correct. Insulting people isn't terribly constructive however and while I haven't compared it here so I do not take this comment to be directed at me I also cannot help but notice there are rather glaring reasons why someone might compare it. Some skills in even take more than a month for a single level so "really good levels" seems heavily subjective, as does the claim that you "need less SP for skills". You are correct however that you can buy EVE characters with ISK, not that their terribly cheap, or that you are guaranteed to find the build you are looking for (depending, of course, on what you are looking for). Really with the dismissive and hyperbolic tone of this post I cannot help but wonder why you care sufficiently about the subject to discuss it. If you are so scornful of the trivial impact that having a respec would, in your presented view, have. Then what makes not having a respec non-trivial within precisely the same context? 0.02 ISK Cross DAMN the CPM Gallente and their brick walls of text filling my mobile phone screen. Death to you all!!! Director of Millitary Operations and General recruitment/training for Immortal Guides.
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 114	Posted - 2014.10.15 10:38:00 - [174] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. respec could bring some people back and maybe they would buy AUR. respec for AUR would definately earn money because they are plenty of people that would instantly buy one. I have yet to hear a valid reason why getting more people to play and earning more money for dust/legion is a bad thing and if earning more money is not a valid reason for then I guess you do not want to earn more money in which case you might aswell give us all AUR items for free. Cross Atu wrote: 1. Define what "getting into" entails in your context here. How much SP are we talking about, how many new things being added to the current character, how many support skills assumed to already be in place, etc. Context matters Also, if it is so simple then what virtues compel the need for a respec in the first place? 2. "Relevance" is, I suppose, subjective but this is pretty much a straw man. Content wise it amounts to saying "I think things are bad so I think it doesn't matter if we do stuff that makes things bad." Circular reasoning is not sound reasoning. If this has more merit and context to it beyond a baseline 'bitter vet = yes' sentiment then please detail it so that I better understand because at present it really does sound like you are just saying "I don't care so you shouldn't either". 3. Dust is not EVE, correct. Insulting people isn't terribly constructive however and while I haven't compared it here so I do not take this comment to be directed at me I also cannot help but notice there are rather glaring reasons why someone might compare it. Some skills in even take more than a month for a single level so "really good levels" seems heavily subjective, as does the claim that you "need less SP for skills". You are correct however that you can buy EVE characters with ISK, not that their terribly cheap, or that you are guaranteed to find the build you are looking for (depending, of course, on what you are looking for). Really with the dismissive and hyperbolic tone of this post I cannot help but wonder why you care sufficiently about the subject to discuss it. If you are so scornful of the trivial impact that having a respec would, in your presented view, have. Then what makes not having a respec non-trivial within precisely the same context? 0.02 ISK Cross I am sorry for the aggressive tone but this topic is old and annoying and can be mostly summerized into following: some people want a respec, they bring good arguments for it, other people do not want that others get nice things and bring not so good arguments. then we have CCP that could increase player count and maybe earn some money but obviously they do not want to claiming "this is not a valid reason". and regarding my 3 points: @1 well I am talking about passive sp and capping out with boosters. enough to get decent levels of next FOTM in 2 weeks (not 2 weeks of play actually, capping out does not take that long). ofcourse this does not count support skills but you should have them already anyway from your previous stuff. getting into the next FOTM does not take much time but completey shifting all skills around another playstyle is something different, this takes alot longer, that is why people want a respec. @2 dead in terms of relevance to the EVE universe. without proper EVE integration dust has less appeal. @3 it takes less SP because you can do usefull stuff even with smaller amounts of SP. in dust you are pretty much handicapped in terms of what you can do with lower SP against people with higher SP because there is much less possible activities you have in an FPS. beside that, in EVE all weaponry support skills can be used for other weapons, unlike in dust where each weapon has its own set.
La Lore Sleipnier THE PR0T0TYPE 127	Posted - 2014.10.15 11:15:00 - [175] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: I decided not to try and explain why we don't want respecs - again. Whatever I would say would be misinterpreted and you guys would just go on repeating the same over-used arguments. So I'll do the same, and just suggest to keep an eye on the Forum and DEV-Blog - if we'll ever have such an option in DUST 514 ever-ever-ever again, these are the two places it would be announced. But... What happens when a change in the game NEVER appear in forums or blogs before, like reduce the ADS ROF skill from 10% to 3% per level? And why the skill have been nerfed but the cost is the same: x8 per level? Is a secret conspiration to exclude pilots? Like increase swarm launcher the aceleration and maneuver capacity from 90 to 80 degrees? Is not just my voice, all the pilots in DUST 514 thinks the same, but only the infantry voice are enought noisy... Soy una hoja al viento a merced de los elementos... https://dust514.com/recruit/MfQjol/
TEC N9ne Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 4	Posted - 2014.10.15 21:26:00 - [176] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. Im sure this has been said before and apologize for making you take the time to read this but I could say there are several reasons for it, most may not be really amazing reasons. The first I would say would be for the newer players, I myself am not really new but was not around for the respecs and when I started made some noob choices when I had no idea what I was doing and seriously regret it as well as the fact that with all these hotfixes past and coming live really changed up suits playing styles and bonuses and such, this means that people have changed ow they run there suit, which to some point should be expected but at some point also took away some reasons why people spec'd specific suits. One example being the Cal scout, now some people do enjoy the suit for the layout or so, but I know some who spec'd that suit specifically for the precision enhancement it received for the passive scans and now they don't run it at all because that went to the AK.0 (suit that I spec'd just for stamina, lucky me), but that right there is just wasted sp that could have been put to better use. The same can be said for weapons, some eople went into others just to see how they changed with recent fixes or to try them out in the first place. Yes doing this would increase the amount of people running the flavor of the month, but would also allow other people to spec into the necessary things to counter those as well. What up all
CoochMaster Flex Contract Hunters 2	Posted - 2014.10.16 14:36:00 - [177] - Quote TEC N9ne wrote: GM Archduke wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. Im sure this has been said before and apologize for making you take the time to read this but I could say there are several reasons for it, most may not be really amazing reasons. The first I would say would be for the newer players, I myself am not really new but was not around for the respecs and when I started made some noob choices when I had no idea what I was doing and seriously regret it as well as the fact that with all these hotfixes past and coming live really changed up suits playing styles and bonuses and such, this means that people have changed ow they run there suit, which to some point should be expected but at some point also took away some reasons why people spec'd specific suits. One example being the Cal scout, now some people do enjoy the suit for the layout or so, but I know some who spec'd that suit specifically for the precision enhancement it received for the passive scans and now they don't run it at all because that went to the AK.0 (suit that I spec'd just for stamina, lucky me), but that right there is just wasted sp that could have been put to better use. The same can be said for weapons, some eople went into others just to see how they changed with recent fixes or to try them out in the first place. Yes doing this would increase the amount of people running the flavor of the month, but would also allow other people to spec into the necessary things to counter those as well. Tec is a niggah! It's not about how much sheild and armor you stack to win. It's how you use the suit to win.
Commander Shepard III Second-Nature 27	Posted - 2014.10.16 15:08:00 - [178] - Quote I don't want a respec I want to see all those FOTM chasers in tears crying for a respec and people saying to damn bad :,) oh the joy Property of John ShepardIII
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 119	Posted - 2014.10.16 15:42:00 - [179] - Quote Commander Shepard III wrote: I don't want a respec I want to see all those FOTM chasers in tears crying for a respec and people saying to damn bad :,) oh the joy getting into the next FOTM takes a few hours of play spread over two weeks (coupled with boosters) your point is invalid
TerranKnight87 Dead Man's Game RUST415 21	Posted - 2014.10.16 16:41:00 - [180] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: I decided not to try and explain why we don't want respecs - again. Whatever I would say would be misinterpreted and you guys would just go on repeating the same over-used arguments. So I'll do the same, and just suggest to keep an eye on the Forum and DEV-Blog - if we'll ever have such an option in DUST 514 ever-ever-ever again, these are the two places it would be announced. So we are then?. This is TechMechMeds tanker.

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1705	Posted - 2014.10.16 17:09:00 - [181] - Quote Cpt McReady wrote: I am sorry for the aggressive tone but this topic is old and annoying and can be mostly summerized into following: some people want a respec, they bring good arguments for it, other people do not want that others get nice things and bring not so good argumentst. lol Biased much?
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 523	Posted - 2014.10.16 17:33:00 - [182] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Cpt McReady wrote: I am sorry for the aggressive tone but this topic is old and annoying and can be mostly summerized into following: some people want a respec, they bring good arguments for it, other people do not want that others get nice things and bring not so good argumentst. lol Biased much? I think what he really meant was: I am sorry for the aggressive tone but this topic is old and annoying and can be mostly summerized into following: some people want a respec, they bring good arguments for it, other people do not want a respec, they bring good arguments for it, but since I don't agree with them, they're wrong and I'm going to call them names for it.
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3374	Posted - 2014.10.16 19:17:00 - [183] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. Wow. Trolling Proficiency increased to 5. Never heard a good argument huh? I don't know if you considered this or not, but just because YOU specifically don't think it is a good argument, that does not mean it isn't one. Considering the allocation of likes in this thread, you are clearly in the minority. I'm assuming that you are of the mentality that, "you should pay for your mistakes," but what about the Gallente Sentinel, Caldari Scout, and Amarr Scout? In some cases they may be better because of their changes, but those changes made them completely different suits, and the player is hardly the one who made the mistake when the developer changed the way the suit plays. But I'm wasting my breath, if you are the kind of GM who only posts to say, "trollololol nothing will change but I'm glad that you can at least spell," then my post is hardly going to do anything. I'm glad we have this player-dev/GM communication though, whatever it may be worth. SP Sinks? Fixed.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 528	Posted - 2014.10.16 19:28:00 - [184] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: GM Archduke wrote: You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. Wow. Trolling Proficiency increased to 5. Never heard a good argument huh? I don't know if you considered this or not, but just because YOU specifically don't think it is a good argument, that does not mean it isn't one. Considering the allocation of likes in this thread, you are clearly in the minority. I'm assuming that you are of the mentality that, "you should pay for your mistakes," but what about the Gallente Sentinel, Caldari Scout, and Amarr Scout? In some cases they may be better because of their changes, but those changes made them completely different suits, and the player is hardly the one who made the mistake when the developer changed the way the suit plays. But I'm wasting my breath, if you are the kind of GM who only posts to say, "trollololol nothing will change but I'm glad that you can at least spell," then my post is hardly going to do anything. I'm glad we have this player-dev/GM communication though, whatever it may be worth. All the arguments, like counts, and bullspit that's tossed around mean nothing if the DEVs and GMs don't want to give respecs. The people who make the game have repeatedly and loudly said that there are no plans to give a respec. What more needs to be said?
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3374	Posted - 2014.10.16 19:28:00 - [185] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: I decided not to try and explain why we don't want respecs - again. Whatever I would say would be misinterpreted and you guys would just go on repeating the same over-used arguments. So I'll do the same, and just suggest to keep an eye on the Forum and DEV-Blog - if we'll ever have such an option in DUST 514 ever-ever-ever again, these are the two places it would be announced. I don't like to double post usually, but I had to after reading this golden comment. Let me summarize this: "You guy's arguments for respecs are totally overused and provide insufficient reason to actually give a respec, so we won't be doing it. What? You want to know our reason's for not wanting a respec? You can't handle our argument. Just trust us that it's totally solid." If our arguments are so over-used that you aren't even taking a millisecond to consider them, why would you even care if we misinterpret your explanation? SP Sinks? Fixed.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 528	Posted - 2014.10.16 19:31:00 - [186] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: GM Archduke wrote: I decided not to try and explain why we don't want respecs - again. Whatever I would say would be misinterpreted and you guys would just go on repeating the same over-used arguments. So I'll do the same, and just suggest to keep an eye on the Forum and DEV-Blog - if we'll ever have such an option in DUST 514 ever-ever-ever again, these are the two places it would be announced. I don't like to double post usually, but I had to after reading this golden comment. Let me summarize this: "You guy's arguments for respecs are totally overused and provide insufficient reason to actually give a respec, so we won't be doing it. What? You want to know our reason's for not wanting a respec? You can't handle our argument. Just trust us that it's totally solid." If our arguments are so over-used that you aren't even taking a millisecond to consider them, why would you even care if we misinterpret your explanation? I wouldn't blame them if they did a copy / paste comment at this point and started locking respec threads. It's tired. It's over. There's no current plan to do respecs. move on
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3374	Posted - 2014.10.16 19:32:00 - [187] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Logi Bro wrote: GM Archduke wrote: You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. Wow. Trolling Proficiency increased to 5. Never heard a good argument huh? I don't know if you considered this or not, but just because YOU specifically don't think it is a good argument, that does not mean it isn't one. Considering the allocation of likes in this thread, you are clearly in the minority. I'm assuming that you are of the mentality that, "you should pay for your mistakes," but what about the Gallente Sentinel, Caldari Scout, and Amarr Scout? In some cases they may be better because of their changes, but those changes made them completely different suits, and the player is hardly the one who made the mistake when the developer changed the way the suit plays. But I'm wasting my breath, if you are the kind of GM who only posts to say, "trollololol nothing will change but I'm glad that you can at least spell," then my post is hardly going to do anything. I'm glad we have this player-dev/GM communication though, whatever it may be worth. All the arguments, like counts, and bullspit that's tossed around mean nothing if the DEVs and GMs don't want to give respecs. The people who make the game have repeatedly and loudly said that there are no plans to give a respec. What more needs to be said? I said what needs to be said. If they don't want that respec so much, then fine, I'll live, but the fact that he comes in here trolling and saying everyone else's arguments are trash then specifically says that he isn't willing to give his own argument is an insult to the community. I'm just disappointed that I noticed this thread so late and that he probably won't be reading this thread any longer. SP Sinks? Fixed.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 528	Posted - 2014.10.16 19:34:00 - [188] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: RayRay James wrote: Logi Bro wrote: GM Archduke wrote: You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. Wow. Trolling Proficiency increased to 5. Never heard a good argument huh? I don't know if you considered this or not, but just because YOU specifically don't think it is a good argument, that does not mean it isn't one. Considering the allocation of likes in this thread, you are clearly in the minority. I'm assuming that you are of the mentality that, "you should pay for your mistakes," but what about the Gallente Sentinel, Caldari Scout, and Amarr Scout? In some cases they may be better because of their changes, but those changes made them completely different suits, and the player is hardly the one who made the mistake when the developer changed the way the suit plays. But I'm wasting my breath, if you are the kind of GM who only posts to say, "trollololol nothing will change but I'm glad that you can at least spell," then my post is hardly going to do anything. I'm glad we have this player-dev/GM communication though, whatever it may be worth. All the arguments, like counts, and bullspit that's tossed around mean nothing if the DEVs and GMs don't want to give respecs. The people who make the game have repeatedly and loudly said that there are no plans to give a respec. What more needs to be said? I said what needs to be said. If they don't want that respec so much, then fine, I'll live, but the fact that he comes in here trolling and saying everyone else's arguments are trash then specifically says that he isn't willing to give his own argument is an insult to the community. I'm just disappointed that I noticed this thread so late and that he probably won't be reading this thread any longer. He's tired of saying the same thing, so he had a little fun. If you want to know the reasons, use the search function.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1711	Posted - 2014.10.16 19:38:00 - [189] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Considering the allocation of likes in this thread, you are clearly in the minority. I'm sure if we had a thread about free ISK we'd get a lot of likes too. Game design is not democratic.
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3374	Posted - 2014.10.16 19:53:00 - [190] - Quote RayRay James wrote: He's tired of saying the same thing, so he had a little fun. If you want to know the reasons, use the search function. Who are you, the arbiter of respecs? If I actually took the time to use the search function, and I don't need to because I've read the anti-respec argument a billion times before, I wouldn't be seeing trash talk from a community-developer liaison. You seem to think that I'm talking to you right now so you keep quoting me for some reason, but I'm not. I'm looking squarely at GM Archduke and hoping that he understands that if wants to be a troll he is hurting the little respect the community has for the relationship between themselves and the developers. All Archduke had to say was, "we have had discussions on this subject before internally at CCP and have decided it is not best to give a respec at this time, or very likely, at any time at all." Nothing more, nothing less, and most importantly, no trash. He can even copy paste it if he feels so inclined. SP Sinks? Fixed.

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1712	Posted - 2014.10.16 19:54:00 - [191] - Quote They've said just that. Multiple times. Have you not been paying attention, are you simply upset he didn't repeat the party line for the 1,001st time, or do you really, really, really just want the opportunity to re-spend those SP??
Taurion Bruni D3ATH CARD RUST415 275	Posted - 2014.10.16 21:04:00 - [192] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: a respec would help newer players compete with Vets vets wouldnt need to use the respec because of the simple fact that they already got like 40m+ SP as it is.. so regardless they would end up with just a pool of unspent SP as before.. where newbros would learn the game and go a more focused route.. like the old philosophy in EVE.. a newer player can get up to speed with a vet if they train focused on a particular role.. and a respec in dust would help with that. and that philosophy is why we should not have a respec. This game is focused on the daily grind to continuously improve on your character. You decide on what you want to play, and pour all your points into one basket, until it is full. Many of the people who want a respec are asking because they have spent a shallow amount of skills into every class, every role. with points spread out everywhere, you become the jack of all trades. But you need to remember that this game has a steep learning curve, and you are punished for that mistake the other group who want a respec are those who are tired of the suit they decided to max out. Perhaps a rebalance made it so that they are not super slayers (Anyone remember the Caldari Slayer Logi?) But If a man decided to educate himself to learn to become a doctor, can he just decide one day to exchange all that knowledge so that he can become a professional lawyer? Python Pilot // Minmatar Assault Adapt or Die!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3681	Posted - 2014.10.16 21:12:00 - [193] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: well maybe give us a respec and the threads will end :P This is a goddamn lie. the respec QQ never ends. In two years there hasn't been a single day that a respec hasn't been demanded INCLUDING THE DAY AFTER A RESPEC!!! NO! No more! Buy a damn hint!

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 628	Posted - 2014.10.16 21:24:00 - [194] - Quote What people in this thread do not seem to understand is that I have no influence whatsoever over all this, all I wanted to do is to tell you guys my opinion, well, the CS opinion of why respecs are bad. But most people misunderstood even this, some were saying that this is just "lip service". I asked myself the question - do I need this extra hassle, stress in my life, trying to explain the same thing for the 1354848th time to people who think I can actually help them with this, when in fact I cannot? Well, the answer is no, I don't. Logi Bro, usually I try to be super helpful, not just because it is my job, but because I am still a fan of DUST 514, still enjoy the game and still have high hopes. This stuff? Respecs? Again, should this ever be available again in any shape or form, we'll let you guys know. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1375	Posted - 2014.10.16 21:28:00 - [195] - Quote Cpt McReady wrote: I am sorry for the aggressive tone but this topic is old and annoying and can be mostly summerized into following: some people want a respec, they bring good arguments for it, other people do not want that others get nice things and bring not so good arguments. . Sorry but me and many others have seen it the exact opposite. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Nelo Angel0 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 267	Posted - 2014.10.17 05:14:00 - [196] - Quote I'm bumbing this not only because it's old, but also bumbing I know archduke really loves this topic. Honestly, I hope topics like these serve as a reminder to the guys at CCP that the SP system dust uses is just a huge flop compared to EvEs passive system, or even CoDs system. Why CoD? because in there your at least rewarded for using the same weapon and unlock attachments for completing feats. It's shocking you have 4 factions and all these racial weapons/equipment/vehicles and players don't get rewarded in the for at least achieving racial parity. I would love the tag of the CCP employee who thought that the SP in dust was smart so I can call him a damned fool.
Stevez WingYip Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2014.10.17 06:19:00 - [197] - Quote Respecs are pointless. If you want something, start training it. Problem solved?
Stevez WingYip Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2014.10.17 06:43:00 - [198] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: What people in this thread do not seem to understand is that I have no influence whatsoever over all this, all I wanted to do is to tell you guys my opinion, well, the CS opinion of why respecs are bad. But most people misunderstood even this, some were saying that this is just "lip service". I asked myself the question - do I need this extra hassle, stress in my life, trying to explain the same thing for the 1354848th time to people who think I can actually help them with this, when in fact I cannot? Well, the answer is no, I don't. Logi Bro, usually I try to be super helpful, not just because it is my job, but because I am still a fan of DUST 514, still enjoy the game and still have high hopes. This stuff? Respecs? Again, should this ever be available again in any shape or form, we'll let you guys know. Repect to you for actually trying to handle this situation. People should just start training for something rather than ask for it for free with "respecs". Part of the fun in this game is working your skill points towards your next big item.
Stevez WingYip Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2014.10.17 07:21:00 - [199] - Quote A copy paste from the beginners guide. "One thing worth remembering though, is that SP is never wasted, no matter your choices your mercenary unlocks new possibilities and becomes more dangerous. So donGÇÖt worry too much if you think you placed some SP into GÇÿthe wrongGÇÖ skill. It might just become very useful for you later down the line."
La Lore Sleipnier THE PR0T0TYPE 128	Posted - 2014.10.17 08:36:00 - [200] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: What people in this thread do not seem to understand is that I have no influence whatsoever over all this, all I wanted to do is to tell you guys my opinion, well, the CS opinion of why respecs are bad. But most people misunderstood even this, some were saying that this is just "lip service". I asked myself the question - do I need this extra hassle, stress in my life, trying to explain the same thing for the 1354848th time to people who think I can actually help them with this, when in fact I cannot? Well, the answer is no, I don't. Logi Bro, usually I try to be super helpful, not just because it is my job, but because I am still a fan of DUST 514, still enjoy the game and still have high hopes. This stuff? Respecs? Again, should this ever be available again in any shape or form, we'll let you guys know. Dear Archduke, I have made two tickets to have a respect. The first before delta, only to suits and weapons, and the answer was no. Ok, but after Hotfix Delta my ADS was a little less lethal, so I made another ticket because the SP used to increase the ROF was no use, and they respect other skill, not the skill nerfed. So I see the forums and blogs everyday, and I can't found were somdbody says python and incubus ROF will be nerfed. You can see in all forums, we the pilots are not happy with this hotfix. I can understand the respect for everybody is very complicated, but just now ADS are veeeeery nerfed and swarms buffer, and that make what players don't need invert sp in swarms because militia is enought... Try to fly some battles and think about it Soy una hoja al viento a merced de los elementos... https://dust514.com/recruit/MfQjol/



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