DUST Search - We all need a respec. Please.

Echo 1991 wrote:

Leadfoot10 wrote:

Ripley Riley wrote:

Leadfoot10 wrote:

No.

I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely?

They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do?

Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? Lol

They will have an advantage because they will not have to "pay for their mistakes".

I'm not concerned with any new players becoming competitive -- that already happens with great frequency -- but I am concerned with being given a respec as it is not fair to those of us who used their SP wisely.

To flip this around a bit and using your logic, why not give an unlimited number of SP refunds? They will have access to the same skills as everyone at the same SP prices, right?

Wrong. Because our choices should matter, and SP refunds mean they don't matter.

Which is, essentially, what I'm saying.

I agree we shouldnt be able to respec every time we make a choice and end up regretting it, but when i skill into something and the way it works is changed, my choice means nothing. I don't mind tweaks to things but when it becomes useless I don't want it anymore because I never skilled into what it became.

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DrewEon1 NEO DYNAMIC JAPAN 2	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:09:00 - [1] - Quote I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5450	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:11:00 - [2] - Quote No we don't. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
hfderrtgvcd 779	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:11:00 - [3] - Quote DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. I'm sure they would if the process was automatic, but it isn't. Its very time consuming for them to give a respec to every single player individually, and I'd rather they spent their time fixing the game. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2158	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:13:00 - [4] - Quote "People have to accept the consequences of putting their SP into things." That gets thrown out the window when they change everything, but they don't care because they already have our money. As for me, I support a respec. Since the ADSs have been made completely useless, I won't skill into them at all. I would likely still still completely into tanks, everything to level 5, get back my Min logi, then go from there. Probably get the Gal scout to 5, with its eWar to 5 too, and probably Min sentinel as well since it has the best options for HP tank, even though it's hardest for anything to get through shield, which makes the Cal sentinel the best option. Second edit: I'd do a respec if it cost me 100,000,000 ISK and all of my inventory (minus BPOs). That means officer weapons would go, too. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
DrewEon1 NEO DYNAMIC JAPAN 2	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:14:00 - [5] - Quote I understand it takes a bit of work, but can't they just allow us to manually do it ourselves? Instead of CCP putting their time into it? And I'm sure there are people who have spent large amounts of money {I know one} and really want a respec.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2158	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:14:00 - [6] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: No we don't. You're not playing anymore, so your opinion doesn't count. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3632	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:15:00 - [7] - Quote Would we appreciate one? Yes. Do the players deserve one? Yes. Will CCP ever provide a respec in Dust 514? No. If we receive a respec, it will be if CCP greenlights Legion and then migrates our characters into Legion. My advice to you, playa...
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 825	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:21:00 - [8] - Quote Will these threads just stop already?!!!!!
Immortal John Ripper 25063	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:27:00 - [9] - Quote Very clever disguising your like farm as another respec thread. However you will never surpass me. Face it. It is hopeless. Its never taken me so long to get 50 likes to break 25k Conclusion:Dust community prefers puppies > cats Sorry catmerc
DrewEon1 NEO DYNAMIC JAPAN 2	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:29:00 - [10] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Very clever disguising your like farm as another respec thread. However you will never surpass me. Face it. It is hopeless. Disguising myself like what?

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1031	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:35:00 - [11] - Quote we dont NEED one, but we all secretly would like one so we can... - fix poor sp spending - maybe make our sp spending more efficient ir not wasting it on things we dont use anymore (ie caldari logi, amarr logi for me) - chase FOTM -just keep a pool of SP spare.. - try new builds - try vehicles ...w/e i know id like to remove my dropsuit and weapon SP so i could just focus on - winmando -winscout - wintinel -winlogi -winassault (Winmatar much? :P) as for my weapon SP being spread everywhere with no real focus as such id go - CR, - MD, - SMG - swarms - NKs (minja teimz) and later maybe weaponry 5 for -forgeun -HMG and if i had anything left over id skill into dropships to make a tanky MCRU dropship PS. respec should be a 1 time only thing.. ie. 1 respec per ACCOUNT not per charater... for the lifetime of that account.. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1681	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:37:00 - [12] - Quote No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely?
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3632	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:40:00 - [13] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? My advice to you, playa...
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1642	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:42:00 - [14] - Quote DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=22YWYAtcyEA Closed beta vet. Call me TrolLuna or Trollmare Moon, Reference link
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1681	Posted - 2014.10.13 15:47:00 - [15] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? They will have an advantage because they will not have to "pay for their mistakes". I'm not concerned with any new players becoming competitive -- that already happens with great frequency -- but I am concerned with being given a "get out of bad SP investment for free" as it is not fair to those of us who used their SP wisely. To flip this around a bit and using your logic, why not give SP refunds always? Because your choices should matter. Which is, essentially, what I'm saying.
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 329	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:06:00 - [16] - Quote I personally don't. You people need to http://youtu.be/zAxMw_gcKvo?t=43s and/or spend your SP wisely. Take a bow
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 494	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:12:00 - [17] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? They will have an advantage because they will not have to "pay for their mistakes". I'm not concerned with any new players becoming competitive -- that already happens with great frequency -- but I am concerned with being given a respec as it is not fair to those of us who used their SP wisely. To flip this around a bit and using your logic, why not give an unlimited number of SP refunds? They will have access to the same skills as everyone at the same SP prices, right? Wrong. Because our choices should matter, and SP refunds mean they don't matter. Which is, essentially, what I'm saying. I agree we shouldnt be able to respec every time we make a choice and end up regretting it, but when i skill into something and the way it works is changed, my choice means nothing. I don't mind tweaks to things but when it becomes useless I don't want it anymore because I never skilled into what it became.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 494	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:18:00 - [18] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: I personally don't. You people need to http://youtu.be/zAxMw_gcKvo?t=43s and/or spend your SP wisely. I really wanted your video to be this video
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1947	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:21:00 - [19] - Quote DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. This is what people have cried prior to every other respec. Just give us one and we'll never ask for another. We promise. No really, we'll never ask for one ever ever again as long as our immortal clones live. For realiez yo' ! What happens after they do get a respec though. No more than a week or so later people are once again crying for a respec. CCP need to take a stronger stand against this. They've already said they won't do it, now they need to start warning people who start these stupid threads. Respecs are bad for the game. They allow vets to instantly switch all their SP into the current FOTM and then some, the go against the EvE philosophy of "your choices are permenant," and they fail to even meet the needs of the people who ask for them since half the idiots calling for respecs still mess up with their skills in the post respec rush. Just give up on the repsecs already. Its been done. It doesn't work. Its bad for the game. Now with more evil.
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 725	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:23:00 - [20] - Quote Because I played the game wrong and skilled into everything and therefore never get affected by changes, no. Even if I deserved one... still no. Something that gets nerfed eventually gets buffed in some way or another anyway. The Connoisseur of Weapons. 19/19 L5 P1. "GET BACK HERE YOU SCRUB" - Lorelei Zee 2014

Dreis Shadowweaver THE HANDS OF DEATH RUST415 276	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:32:00 - [21] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? It's not spending SP unwisely if what you spent it on gets changed. How are choices supposed to matter if CCP takes our choices and ***** all over them? Which is why I support respecs just on things that get changed, not full-blown respecs. That way, our choices REALLY WILL MATTER. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 494	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:47:00 - [22] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? It's not spending SP unwisely if what you spent it on gets changed. How are choices supposed to matter if CCP takes our choices and ***** all over them? Which is why I support respecs just on things that get changed, not full-blown respecs. That way, our choices REALLY WILL MATTER. You're crying over spilled milk The only skill point refund I remember in EVE in 8 years when was they removed learning skills. It wasn't a respec, it was a return. THAT IS WHY IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN If CCP won't refund SP in EVE, their bread and butter, even when they make such sweeping changes to ship design, they WILL NOT do it in Dust. You know what happens in EVE when something get's put on it's a$s? People adapt, they skill into new ships, they pull out old ships they haven't used in 3 years, a very tiny amount rage on the forums. Those that rage get told the same thing you see on these forums. It's exponentially easier to skill into new suits and weapons in this game that it is in EVE. Suck it up and quit whining.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1681	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:52:00 - [23] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? They will have an advantage because they will not have to "pay for their mistakes". I'm not concerned with any new players becoming competitive -- that already happens with great frequency -- but I am concerned with being given a respec as it is not fair to those of us who used their SP wisely. To flip this around a bit and using your logic, why not give an unlimited number of SP refunds? They will have access to the same skills as everyone at the same SP prices, right? Wrong. Because our choices should matter, and SP refunds mean they don't matter. Which is, essentially, what I'm saying. I agree we shouldnt be able to respec every time we make a choice and end up regretting it, but when i skill into something and the way it works is changed, my choice means nothing. I don't mind tweaks to things but when it becomes useless I don't want it anymore because I never skilled into what it became. Nothing has become "useless", but many things have changed (positively and negatively, with the intent of balance). Moving past that, if you end up regretting your choices then perhaps you should be more measured rather than skill into FoTM or OP things before they get changed. If I'm wrong about that, kindly post a specific example of what you're talking about.
Dreis Shadowweaver THE HANDS OF DEATH RUST415 276	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:53:00 - [24] - Quote *Rayray James Nevertheless, you can't say that our choices matter, despite that it is supposed to be a major aspect of Dust. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3637	Posted - 2014.10.13 17:03:00 - [25] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: If I'm wrong about that, kindly post a specific example of what you're talking about. All racial starter fittings had the Assault Rifle fitted to them making new players believe that was their racial go-to weapon... which is 100% wrong and led to many players dumping SP into a weapon that was not inline with their racial rifles. My advice to you, playa...
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1751	Posted - 2014.10.13 17:08:00 - [26] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? They will have an advantage because they will not have to "pay for their mistakes". I'm not concerned with any new players becoming competitive -- that already happens with great frequency -- but I am concerned with being given a respec as it is not fair to those of us who used their SP wisely. To flip this around a bit and using your logic, why not give an unlimited number of SP refunds? They will have access to the same skills as everyone at the same SP prices, right? Wrong. Because our choices should matter, and SP refunds mean they don't matter. Which is, essentially, what I'm saying. i do agree with you about spending SP wisely. but on the flip side is it a mistake that CCP completely changed something i put SP into. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5451	Posted - 2014.10.13 17:16:00 - [27] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: No we don't. You're not playing anymore, so your opinion doesn't count. Nah I lied I'm still playing. I just hate that the game lags the majority of the day. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 494	Posted - 2014.10.13 17:29:00 - [28] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: *Rayray James Nevertheless, you can't say that our choices matter, despite that it is supposed to be a major aspect of Dust. Your choices do matter. They still matter. Things change. Everyone complains about OP/UP in a hundred threads a week in GD alone. There will be continual balances of fittings, things will change. The fact that this gun got buffed, or that suit got nerfed isn't that big of a deal. If it's a minor change (which they usually are) it's nearly irrelevant. If something was so OP that it got the nerf bat, then you knew it when training that item, and should have known it was going to get the bat. If something you trained into got extremely buffed and then nerfed back, well, you're probably still in a better position than before. The only people I see wanting a respec seem to have this "grand plan" on what they'd do with the SP, were they to get it back. You can see it in every thread. I'd take this to 5 and that to 5 and this over here to 5 and finish that. What do they always seem to skill into? The things that were most recently buffed. Look, I wasn't thrilled with the way the ADS got hit this time around. I have so many LVL 5 skills in vehicles that I can't use the way I used to before. That doesn't mean the points are useless. The ADS will get looked at 10 more times before Legion and it'll get hit with the bat again and buffed again and hit with the bat again, etc. I still fly my ADS, I just lose them more often than I did before. Just because something got changed, doesn't make you skill point investment pointless. I means you need to reevaluate your play style. Adapt. Figure out something new. You might just stumble upon something you truly love that you wouldn't have seen before you were forced to.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2547	Posted - 2014.10.13 17:33:00 - [29] - Quote I'm only for respecs when there are fundamental changes to core game mechanics or sweeping overhauls. A vehicle's handling or HP values being tweaked wouldn't be grounds, but vehicles being completely overhauled would, and lo and behold CCP did this in the past. Adding full racial parity for dropsuits was also a good move for CCP to issue a respec, but crying for respecs over suits/weapons operating a little differently just seems a bit rediculous. My Cal Scout was changed, bonus wise, but even with those changes it's still a shield-tanked scout through-and-through, not enough to warrant a respec imo even though I miss the precision bonuses. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2386	Posted - 2014.10.13 17:58:00 - [30] - Quote The last respec happened because they completed dropsuit racial parity. It made sense because players were forced to choose a race/suit combo they may not have wanted since it was the only option. the respec allowed for a better distribution of suits/roles. If we ever get full racial vehicle parity (I hope to hell we do), I would support a vehicle respec for the same reasons. Otherwise, no. This game's balance will always be getting refined over time, that's not a legit reason for a respec. Pick a weapon because you like the way it plays, not because of the stats which are pretty much guaranteed to change. Pick a suit because you like that race's combat philosophy, not because of the stats or bonuses. If you follow that approach, you'll never need a respec. Best PvE idea ever!



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