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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.10.13 17:08:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:No.
I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? They will have an advantage because they will not have to "pay for their mistakes". I'm not concerned with any new players becoming competitive -- that already happens with great frequency -- but I am concerned with being given a respec as it is not fair to those of us who used their SP wisely. To flip this around a bit and using your logic, why not give an unlimited number of SP refunds? They will have access to the same skills as everyone at the same SP prices, right? Wrong. Because our choices should matter, and SP refunds mean they don't matter. Which is, essentially, what I'm saying. i do agree with you about spending SP wisely. but on the flip side is it a mistake that CCP completely changed something i put SP into.
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CUSE TOWN333
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Posted - 2014.10.14 04:21:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:*Rayray James Nevertheless, you can't say that our choices matter, despite that it is supposed to be a major aspect of Dust. Your choices do matter. They still matter. Things change. Everyone complains about OP/UP in a hundred threads a week in GD alone. There will be continual balances of fittings, things will change. The fact that this gun got buffed, or that suit got nerfed isn't that big of a deal. If it's a minor change (which they usually are) it's nearly irrelevant. If something was so OP that it got the nerf bat, then you knew it when training that item, and should have known it was going to get the bat. If something you trained into got extremely buffed and then nerfed back, well, you're probably still in a better position than before. The only people I see wanting a respec seem to have this "grand plan" on what they'd do with the SP, were they to get it back. You can see it in every thread. I'd take this to 5 and that to 5 and this over here to 5 and finish that. What do they always seem to skill into? The things that were most recently buffed. Look, I wasn't thrilled with the way the ADS got hit this time around. I have so many LVL 5 skills in vehicles that I can't use the way I used to before. That doesn't mean the points are useless. The ADS will get looked at 10 more times before Legion and it'll get hit with the bat again and buffed again and hit with the bat again, etc. I still fly my ADS, I just lose them more often than I did before. Just because something got changed, doesn't make you skill point investment pointless. I means you need to reevaluate your play style. Adapt. Figure out something new. You might just stumble upon something you truly love that you wouldn't have seen before you were forced to. that makes no sense what so ever. because if i skilled into gallente heavy because it had 4 low slots and then after they changed it to have 3 low slots then thats not what i would have put SP into. if someone skilled into caldari scout for the scan bonus then they take the scan bonus away then there should be a refund of SP. most people didn't make any mistakes with there SP but what they have was completely changed.
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.10.14 06:26:00 -
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DrewEon1 wrote:GM Archduke wrote:I'll check in with my managers tomorrow if I can explain the 'customer support view' about this topic in detail. I would love to :) Even though I know I won't convince anyone. And I don't want to. We know you guys want respecs, and we handle respec requests according to our policies. Every ticket reply with a denied respec request also includes the line "Please keep an eye on the DUST 514 Forum and DEV Blog, to be up-to-date with any DUST 514 related news, and to see if such an option will ever be available again." You see that tons of us would love to get some respecs, and as many say, it might even out the playing field as far as proto stompers... I just would like to know why you are so reluctant to give us a respec with so many of us wanting one. I also understand that you have given respecs in the past for massive changes to the game, and hotfix delta wasn't that big. But it seems to be one of the largest changes to Dust in a while. If you could just give us the option for a single respec until maybe into project legions life time, it would make me and many others happy. Thank you for your consideration though. because keeping the players happy is a bad idea in there eyes. players leaving to go play other game seems like a good business model in there eyes. i may be crazy but makeing money has all ways been a good idea in my eyes.
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.10.14 17:11:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:
And so you know, the "model that will [not] succeed even on a PC" has been surviving for more than a decade with Eve, not to mention countless other FPS and MMOs that use a similar model, and respecs after every change water down a fundamental tenet of the genre -- your choices matter.
The choices you make don't matter when CCP changes things on a whim. But they're not "changing things on a whim". They are changing things to introduce new content and improve balance.... ...just like every FPS I've ever played in the past two decades.... ...and just like Dust has been since closed beta. So, either you can recognize that and plan accordingly or you can continue to cry for respecs and argue that those who disagree make no sense. The choice is yours. come on now Lead stop acting like we don't know how to play dust and use SP wisely. i have 4 proto suits heavy,2 assaults, and a scout plus 6 proto weapons no matter what happens every patch i have something i can run thats effective. i never wanted to have to do that as i prefer 1 role and gun but noobs cry to nerf the **** out of something till it completely changes or is useless. this makes me use my SP sideways instead of truely maxing out my prefered role.
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.10.14 17:43:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote: come on now Lead stop acting like we don't know how to play dust and use SP wisely. i have 4 proto suits heavy,2 assaults, and a scout plus 6 proto weapons
If you have all those Proto items and haven't maxed out your preferred role, that's your own fault. small things like fitting optimization LvL 5 on a gun.
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CUSE TOWN333
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Posted - 2014.10.14 19:52:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote: come on now Lead stop acting like we don't know how to play dust and use SP wisely. i have 4 proto suits heavy,2 assaults, and a scout plus 6 proto weapons no matter what happens every patch i have something i can run thats effective. i never wanted to have to do that as i prefer 1 role and gun but noobs cry to nerf the **** out of something till it completely changes or is useless. this makes me use my SP sideways instead of truely maxing out my prefered role. I certainly wouldn't infer that about you, Cuse....but some of these posters sure have me scratching my head on what's driving their request -- thus the question about specific examples. And in fairness to Rat, the latest rounds of balance hotfixes has been much better than the OHK nerhammer that was used on the Logis, active scanners, TAR, Flaylock, or other much more impactful nerfs that the vets like you and I can recall like they were yesterday. Said a bit differently, crying about a respec because the latest nerf to the Assault Scrambler Rifle, the damage profile of the CR, or the starting gun on a Frontline suit is far different from crying about a respec after they nerfed the Flaylock to oblivion a year ago. But really, both arguments for respecs fall on the deaf ears of this clone: Our choices should matter. i really don't need a respec as my choices were well thought out. now i would enjoy switching some of my suits because they were changed to the point were they are not the fit i was designing. but what has me pushing for this is a guy joined my corp and i feel bad he is not ready for PC but wants to play. as i sat down with the young man i found that he totally screwed up and has SP all over the place to the point it will take 5 months before he is PC ready. i have all ways argued against a respec but at this stage of the game its fine by me.
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