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Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3786	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:22:00 - [31] - Quote I don't need one, therefore, your argument is invalid.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2165	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:36:00 - [32] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? This makes absolutely no sense. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5398	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:37:00 - [33] - Quote I would burn OP at the stake if he purposed this pre-fanfest, but now that Dust does not really have a future, what harm could it cause at this point. so i could really careless. EVE 21 Day Trial Templar BPOs EVE 2nd decade CE items
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2165	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:42:00 - [34] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I don't need one, therefore, your argument is invalid. And you don't make any sense either. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1036	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:50:00 - [35] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? They will have an advantage because they will not have to "pay for their mistakes". I'm not concerned with any new players becoming competitive -- that already happens with great frequency -- but I am concerned with being given a respec as it is not fair to those of us who used their SP wisely. To flip this around a bit and using your logic, why not give an unlimited number of SP refunds? They will have access to the same skills as everyone at the same SP prices, right? Wrong. Because our choices should matter, and SP refunds mean they don't matter. Which is, essentially, what I'm saying. you bittervets already got like 5x more sp then the newbros who need the respec.. you bittervets got L5 in most everything you wanted/needed.. so no there is no advantage to be gained at all [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 602	Posted - 2014.10.13 19:52:00 - [36] - Quote Everyone deserves respect. The slow blade penetrates the shield.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1037	Posted - 2014.10.13 20:03:00 - [37] - Quote lets put it this way.. Bittervets dont need one so they could just not use it.. the respec is most likly to help newbros who made mistakes, so they can amend those mistakes after learning more about the gameplay and mechanics and hopefully want to stick around longer and probably spend $$$ on aurum ie.. cash-flow for CCP. As i would suspect most newbros leave because of poor SP planning due to lack of knowledge because of the toxic nature of bittervets and trolls in this community.. just take a breath drop the placards and take a look at the situation.. we need players to join AND STAY.. with an optional 1 time respec this may help some of the newbros who wish to stay be more focused on a role and be more competative against you bittervets.. i know you protostompers and bittervets would love to have some solid competition again wouldnt you? we get neural remaps in EVE (faster and more focused training from passive SP) so why not let us have our SP respec in dust? since i strongly suspect we will get to RE0allocate our SP in Legion anyway. so in closeing.. a Yes! vote for Respec's* is a vote to improve the community and promote better battles through less of a skill** gap! one time only. * skillpoints spent in the right areas to get better results and put up more of a fight against bittervet protostomper squads. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1037	Posted - 2014.10.13 20:04:00 - [38] - Quote sabre prime wrote: Everyone deserves respect. except the toxic bittervets who are the community's Toxic version of smelly old men saying "gid off ma lawn ya damn kids!" to the newbros [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2683	Posted - 2014.10.13 20:09:00 - [39] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do? Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? They will have an advantage because they will not have to "pay for their mistakes". I'm not concerned with any new players becoming competitive -- that already happens with great frequency -- but I am concerned with being given a respec as it is not fair to those of us who used their SP wisely. To flip this around a bit and using your logic, why not give an unlimited number of SP refunds? They will have access to the same skills as everyone at the same SP prices, right? Wrong. Because our choices should matter, and SP refunds mean they don't matter. Which is, essentially, what I'm saying. Wait. So, you don't want them to get a respec to avoid mistakes that you assert you never made? Advantage? And. Our choices really don't matter much here as the buff/nerf hammer swings around and around making people play events and buy boosters and artificially desire to try "new" things. The balances and fixes are not intended to fix anything, but to merely move your object of desire (lethality) just far enough away that a tidy sum of SP is required by the largest number of active players in order to acquire it. Free, unlimited respecs on demand forever, because it just doesn't matter and no one should ever care what anyone else does with their SP. The sig is back! K/D(r) matchmaking would even fix the matchmaking fix.
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1642	Posted - 2014.10.13 20:30:00 - [40] - Quote http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=By72eQtjglM Closed beta vet. Call me TrolLuna or Trollmare Moon, Reference link

Lloyd Orfay Commando Perkone Caldari State 61	Posted - 2014.10.13 20:57:00 - [41] - Quote We could really use one because of the stat rearrangements. While of course they were announced it can take months or so for average players that've yet to reach a sufficient amount of advanced/protogear to regain SP to get what they prefer in gameplay. It wouldn't be fair to do many changes that people cannot adapt to, since it would exactly be like gameplay mutilation. Though the one concern is people re-fitting their selves to exploit bad statistics, like scouts, so that their gameplay is easier. It would be very good for us if these issues were addressed in high priority, but I feel like that would be for along time to come.

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 579	Posted - 2014.10.13 21:40:00 - [42] - Quote DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

Forlorn Destrier Havok Dynasty 2784	Posted - 2014.10.13 22:06:00 - [43] - Quote DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. Every couple of months, someone asks for just "one last respec" and it's never the last request. Eventually, people might realize that there won't be another. I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1082	Posted - 2014.10.13 22:08:00 - [44] - Quote So everyone can be a scumbag cal scout? lolno Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :) Pls fix SCR CCP
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1263	Posted - 2014.10.13 22:11:00 - [45] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? They will have an advantage over you, how? They have access to the same skills you do, at the same SP prices you do. Are you concerned some new player might start being competitive against you because of an SP respec? Typical thought process from those against it , just stupid ... they have run out of excuses why we shouldn't have one and for the G.M . I believe the reason that we need one is , when members of the community calls for one , they have enough backing .. which there are far more people speaking out about one , so the need is obvious and it's not ruining the environment , in fact ... it's enhancing the game play and the playability of the game but those in charge wouldn't know anything about that now would they ..??.. I'm tired of talking about this . You people make destiny threads why ..??.. if you don't like the game . You people won't back a SP refund ..??.. why , when there's a large amount of players requesting such . The reason why you see so many threads about this topic is because it's needed , hell why else would players keep up this discussion ??? But it goes un noticed and missed like so many other opportunities , that's it's just not upsetting anymore ... in fact , I expect it . Between EVE players and management , this is a lost cause and I'm not even talking about refunds , it's this whole game in general . You people guard a refund like your hurting someone other then yourselves , if people don't like this environment then they will move elsewhere , now as a business ... when did it become appropriate to except such ..??.. even more so when you just had to do massive lay offs after acquiring a company , so you just basically wasted money except for copyrights and that will be used when and how ??? This is a joke , just like wasting time on a game where it's leadership doesn't care about it's consumers . It's obvious . You people act like your hurting someone by denying them this instance , when they can go and spend their time and money elsewhere and how will that help this business and company ??? Oh yeah , you'll keep milking the one's who just don't seem to get it . You know the one's who make post after post about how bad destiny is while it's killing with numbers 5 times the numbers of this game . They must be doing something right and I know for a fact that they listen to their consumers just threw their patch fixes , so that instill confidence in them from their consumers , you know ... the people who pay their bills and you wonder why and how they have the money to spend untold numbers on projects . They listen to their consumers and they must be doing something right . There numbers on a bad day will crush the numbers of EVE and Dust on a great day . Before you point the finger at someone else , talking about what their doing wrong ... fix your own problems first and you will realize that those who do so , don't have to much time to talk about what others aren't doing , because their getting their own house in order ... that's what adults do and what makes a good business . I support you OP but I'm just flat out tired of this $h!T and this game . Shouldn't have to go threw all of this to create a fun filled environment and it's like I have to beg one to install measures that will encourage me to spend money when I can do that stress and worry free and get what I'm asking for with no problem or hurdles to jump over some place else . But in the eyes of these people that would be my lost . Oh how they are so sadly mistaken . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2684	Posted - 2014.10.13 22:16:00 - [46] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. Define valid, because reason/validity has hardly been a hallmark of this game's development from day one, and I ache to hear what passes for it CCP-side. The sig is back! K/D(r) matchmaking would even fix the matchmaking fix.

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 580	Posted - 2014.10.13 22:27:00 - [47] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui - are you saying we don't listen to our players? Hm. Interesting. By a valid reason I mean something like when we introduced the racial variants for Dropsuits, adding a bunch of new Skills, or when we completely overhauled the Vehicle Skills. We totally should have done a respec for these updates, at least for the specific Skill Trees. Waitaminute.... GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 302	Posted - 2014.10.13 22:40:00 - [48] - Quote C'mon people. NO RESPEC ALLOWED!! You make decisions and you can never go back. You have the forums, you can ask fellow players, you can test out militia weapons to test if you would like it or not. People should be more aware of their choices, this is a lesson best learned early. People cry out because they are just that desperate for a respec to skill into the next fotm. I've made bad choices in the past as well, but i learned my lesson and now i am more aware of where i put my SP, i put it into things I like, I need, or I can use. I don't spec into things without being informed whether by others or by testing. I now am starting to skill into dropships because i want to and after the nerf it received im sure there are those that are WTF, why would you do that? Well guess what, its not the fotm so it's unlikely to get nerfed, maybe even a buff in the near future. I have even a posted a forum out asking about the dropships state of affairs, the meta game, fitting tips, best approach, and i got tips and advice from players who have made mistakes that i don't need to learn. All before i put tons of SP into it. I made a informed decision, I can stop now if i feel it would be a waste of a lot of SP. I didn't just get on the fotm bandwagon thinking that it won't be nerfed or never change. If it's OP or wholly advantageous, then that should be a tip that at some point it might be bad. If you skill into it and it gets nerfed....well.........ALL ON YOU BUDDY! #DEALWITHIT 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1046	Posted - 2014.10.13 22:56:00 - [49] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. well maybe give us a respec and the threads will end :P a good reason is you had the others have tinkered far too much with numbers and stats to a point where a weapon or utility has become completely different to what the user first got used to.. and with the frequency of how many threads pop up would be indication as to how the community (excluding stubborn bittervets) feel about it.. but we could take it another way.. take scouts.. they are far too powerful and people use them over medium suits but despite the outcry on forums you have done nothing to balance this issue.. granted you guys are probably working hard it just dosnt reflect well.. scouts.. OP.. people on forum ask for nerf.. goes unansered respec.. no real impact on game.. the people ask for it.. gets derailed by bittervets and swept under the rug seriously what are the bittervets scared of? some actual competition? are they that happy being proto-bears and stomping MLT suits that they would rather stomp new-bros and make them quit rather then try to help keep the new-bros who may have made a few SP mistakes before knowing what they were doing? ps. regarding Mu.. it seems to work as intended when both teams are random blueberrys but when it comes to squads the team with the squads always seems to win and the loseing team is always just random berrys Fish->barrel much? just makes me thing that Mu may not be working as well as it should be with regard to squad Mu value.. if it goes on averages they could just pull an alt in and lower that average quite considerably to get back to stomping. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1046	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:00:00 - [50] - Quote a respec would help newer players compete with Vets vets wouldnt need to use the respec because of the simple fact that they already got like 40m+ SP as it is.. so regardless they would end up with just a pool of unspent SP as before.. where newbros would learn the game and go a more focused route.. like the old philosophy in EVE.. a newer player can get up to speed with a vet if they train focused on a particular role.. and a respec in dust would help with that. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1046	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:02:00 - [51] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui - are you saying we don't listen to our players? Hm. Interesting. By a valid reason I mean something like when we introduced the racial variants for Dropsuits, adding a bunch of new Skills, or when we completely overhauled the Vehicle Skills. We totally should have done a respec for these updates, at least for the specific Skill Trees. Waitaminute.... you havnt listened to the massive outcry about how OP scouts are.. there is too many of them in matches now.. at least 50% of the deployed suits are scouts ill bet. scouts are OP because of several factors they can bring together in 1 package.. and 1 suit (gal logi) cannot combat them all [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
hfderrtgvcd 788	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:03:00 - [52] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui - are you saying we don't listen to our players? Hm. Interesting. By a valid reason I mean something like when we introduced the racial variants for Dropsuits, adding a bunch of new Skills, or when we completely overhauled the Vehicle Skills. We totally should have done a respec for these updates, at least for the specific Skill Trees. Waitaminute.... you mean kind of like when the scout bonuses where all changed in hotfix charlie? Or when the rifles where overhauled in bravo? Or when damage profiles were changed in delta? You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1046	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:04:00 - [53] - Quote Zindorak wrote: So everyone can be a scumbag cal scout? lolno naw smart people will save their sp as i feel a nerfageddon on the horizon for scouts.. especially the cal scout. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1046	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:07:00 - [54] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. Every couple of months, someone asks for just "one last respec" and it's never the last request. Eventually, people might realize that there won't be another. it wotn be "just one last respec" if each character made gets 1 chance to respec that seems fine.. once its used its gone.. it has negative effects for bittervets.. it as some positives for newbros like being able to compete with proto-bears and squad stompers a little more.. so the bittervets gotta actually try insted of "LULZ farming the MLT suits!" [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1046	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:10:00 - [55] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: GM Archduke wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. Define valid, because reason/validity has hardly been a hallmark of this game's development from day one, and I ache to hear what passes for it CCP-side. if you read about the reason why there was a "burn jita" protest... youll get a good grasp on that. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1046	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:12:00 - [56] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: DrewEon1 wrote: I understand that you are not offering respecs due to issues you had in the past, but I'm sure we would all appreciate them. If you could just possibly give us the option to respec all of our skills once and be done with it, forever, maybe it would be manageable. Please consider giving us a respec. Thank you. And for anyone that agrees, make sure you like this post. You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread? I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. how about give a respec to every one.. AFTER you nerf the scouts and NERF the railrifle that way there will be less people chaseing that defunct FOTM(which has basically become the FOTYear) and advertise it as a 1 time only thing.. and give players a good forewarning.. maybe 1-3 weeks. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 585	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:17:00 - [57] - Quote I'll check in with my managers tomorrow if I can explain the 'customer support view' about this topic in detail. I would love to :) Even though I know I won't convince anyone. And I don't want to. We know you guys want respecs, and we handle respec requests according to our policies. Every ticket reply with a denied respec request also includes the line "Please keep an eye on the DUST 514 Forum and DEV Blog, to be up-to-date with any DUST 514 related news, and to see if such an option will ever be available again." GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

maluble Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance 119	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:29:00 - [58] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: No. I've spent my SP wisely. Why should someone gain an advantage over me from spending it unwisely? So what your saying is you dont have 10 mil worth of skills that were drastically changed making them invalid to your playstyle?
maluble Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance 119	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:30:00 - [59] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: I'll check in with my managers tomorrow if I can explain the 'customer support view' about this topic in detail. I would love to :) Even though I know I won't convince anyone. And I don't want to. We know you guys want respecs, and we handle respec requests according to our policies. Every ticket reply with a denied respec request also includes the line "Please keep an eye on the DUST 514 Forum and DEV Blog, to be up-to-date with any DUST 514 related news, and to see if such an option will ever be available again." Thank you
DrewEon1 11	Posted - 2014.10.13 23:35:00 - [60] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: I'll check in with my managers tomorrow if I can explain the 'customer support view' about this topic in detail. I would love to :) Even though I know I won't convince anyone. And I don't want to. We know you guys want respecs, and we handle respec requests according to our policies. Every ticket reply with a denied respec request also includes the line "Please keep an eye on the DUST 514 Forum and DEV Blog, to be up-to-date with any DUST 514 related news, and to see if such an option will ever be available again." You see that tons of us would love to get some respecs, and as many say, it might even out the playing field as far as proto stompers... I just would like to know why you are so reluctant to give us a respec with so many of us wanting one. I also understand that you have given respecs in the past for massive changes to the game, and hotfix delta wasn't that big. But it seems to be one of the largest changes to Dust in a while. If you could just give us the option for a single respec until maybe into project legions life time, it would make me and many others happy. Thank you for your consideration though.



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