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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1705
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Posted - 2014.10.16 17:09:00 -
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Cpt McReady wrote:I am sorry for the aggressive tone but this topic is old and annoying and can be mostly summerized into following: some people want a respec, they bring good arguments for it, other people do not want that others get nice things and bring not so good argumentst.
lol
Biased much?
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RayRay James
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
523
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Posted - 2014.10.16 17:33:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Cpt McReady wrote:I am sorry for the aggressive tone but this topic is old and annoying and can be mostly summerized into following: some people want a respec, they bring good arguments for it, other people do not want that others get nice things and bring not so good argumentst. lol Biased much?
I think what he really meant was:
I am sorry for the aggressive tone but this topic is old and annoying and can be mostly summerized into following: some people want a respec, they bring good arguments for it, other people do not want a respec, they bring good arguments for it, but since I don't agree with them, they're wrong and I'm going to call them names for it. |
Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
3374
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Posted - 2014.10.16 19:17:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread?
I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones.
Wow. Trolling Proficiency increased to 5.
Never heard a good argument huh? I don't know if you considered this or not, but just because YOU specifically don't think it is a good argument, that does not mean it isn't one. Considering the allocation of likes in this thread, you are clearly in the minority.
I'm assuming that you are of the mentality that, "you should pay for your mistakes," but what about the Gallente Sentinel, Caldari Scout, and Amarr Scout? In some cases they may be better because of their changes, but those changes made them completely different suits, and the player is hardly the one who made the mistake when the developer changed the way the suit plays.
But I'm wasting my breath, if you are the kind of GM who only posts to say, "trollololol nothing will change but I'm glad that you can at least spell," then my post is hardly going to do anything. I'm glad we have this player-dev/GM communication though, whatever it may be worth.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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RayRay James
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
528
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Posted - 2014.10.16 19:28:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:GM Archduke wrote:You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread?
I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. Wow. Trolling Proficiency increased to 5. Never heard a good argument huh? I don't know if you considered this or not, but just because YOU specifically don't think it is a good argument, that does not mean it isn't one. Considering the allocation of likes in this thread, you are clearly in the minority. I'm assuming that you are of the mentality that, "you should pay for your mistakes," but what about the Gallente Sentinel, Caldari Scout, and Amarr Scout? In some cases they may be better because of their changes, but those changes made them completely different suits, and the player is hardly the one who made the mistake when the developer changed the way the suit plays. But I'm wasting my breath, if you are the kind of GM who only posts to say, "trollololol nothing will change but I'm glad that you can at least spell," then my post is hardly going to do anything. I'm glad we have this player-dev/GM communication though, whatever it may be worth.
All the arguments, like counts, and bullspit that's tossed around mean nothing if the DEVs and GMs don't want to give respecs.
The people who make the game have repeatedly and loudly said that there are no plans to give a respec.
What more needs to be said?
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
3374
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Posted - 2014.10.16 19:28:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:I decided not to try and explain why we don't want respecs - again. Whatever I would say would be misinterpreted and you guys would just go on repeating the same over-used arguments. So I'll do the same, and just suggest to keep an eye on the Forum and DEV-Blog - if we'll ever have such an option in DUST 514 ever-ever-ever again, these are the two places it would be announced.
I don't like to double post usually, but I had to after reading this golden comment. Let me summarize this:
"You guy's arguments for respecs are totally overused and provide insufficient reason to actually give a respec, so we won't be doing it. What? You want to know our reason's for not wanting a respec? You can't handle our argument. Just trust us that it's totally solid."
If our arguments are so over-used that you aren't even taking a millisecond to consider them, why would you even care if we misinterpret your explanation?
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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RayRay James
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
528
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Posted - 2014.10.16 19:31:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:GM Archduke wrote:I decided not to try and explain why we don't want respecs - again. Whatever I would say would be misinterpreted and you guys would just go on repeating the same over-used arguments. So I'll do the same, and just suggest to keep an eye on the Forum and DEV-Blog - if we'll ever have such an option in DUST 514 ever-ever-ever again, these are the two places it would be announced. I don't like to double post usually, but I had to after reading this golden comment. Let me summarize this: "You guy's arguments for respecs are totally overused and provide insufficient reason to actually give a respec, so we won't be doing it. What? You want to know our reason's for not wanting a respec? You can't handle our argument. Just trust us that it's totally solid." If our arguments are so over-used that you aren't even taking a millisecond to consider them, why would you even care if we misinterpret your explanation?
I wouldn't blame them if they did a copy / paste comment at this point and started locking respec threads. It's tired. It's over. There's no current plan to do respecs.
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
3374
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Posted - 2014.10.16 19:32:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Logi Bro wrote:GM Archduke wrote:You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread?
I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. Wow. Trolling Proficiency increased to 5. Never heard a good argument huh? I don't know if you considered this or not, but just because YOU specifically don't think it is a good argument, that does not mean it isn't one. Considering the allocation of likes in this thread, you are clearly in the minority. I'm assuming that you are of the mentality that, "you should pay for your mistakes," but what about the Gallente Sentinel, Caldari Scout, and Amarr Scout? In some cases they may be better because of their changes, but those changes made them completely different suits, and the player is hardly the one who made the mistake when the developer changed the way the suit plays. But I'm wasting my breath, if you are the kind of GM who only posts to say, "trollololol nothing will change but I'm glad that you can at least spell," then my post is hardly going to do anything. I'm glad we have this player-dev/GM communication though, whatever it may be worth. All the arguments, like counts, and bullspit that's tossed around mean nothing if the DEVs and GMs don't want to give respecs. The people who make the game have repeatedly and loudly said that there are no plans to give a respec. What more needs to be said?
I said what needs to be said.
If they don't want that respec so much, then fine, I'll live, but the fact that he comes in here trolling and saying everyone else's arguments are trash then specifically says that he isn't willing to give his own argument is an insult to the community. I'm just disappointed that I noticed this thread so late and that he probably won't be reading this thread any longer.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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RayRay James
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
528
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Posted - 2014.10.16 19:34:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:RayRay James wrote:Logi Bro wrote:GM Archduke wrote:You do get points for at least calling it a respec, and not respect, but seriously, another respec thread?
I have yet to hear a valid reason/argument for this, and trust me, I've heard a lot of different ones. Wow. Trolling Proficiency increased to 5. Never heard a good argument huh? I don't know if you considered this or not, but just because YOU specifically don't think it is a good argument, that does not mean it isn't one. Considering the allocation of likes in this thread, you are clearly in the minority. I'm assuming that you are of the mentality that, "you should pay for your mistakes," but what about the Gallente Sentinel, Caldari Scout, and Amarr Scout? In some cases they may be better because of their changes, but those changes made them completely different suits, and the player is hardly the one who made the mistake when the developer changed the way the suit plays. But I'm wasting my breath, if you are the kind of GM who only posts to say, "trollololol nothing will change but I'm glad that you can at least spell," then my post is hardly going to do anything. I'm glad we have this player-dev/GM communication though, whatever it may be worth. All the arguments, like counts, and bullspit that's tossed around mean nothing if the DEVs and GMs don't want to give respecs. The people who make the game have repeatedly and loudly said that there are no plans to give a respec. What more needs to be said? I said what needs to be said. If they don't want that respec so much, then fine, I'll live, but the fact that he comes in here trolling and saying everyone else's arguments are trash then specifically says that he isn't willing to give his own argument is an insult to the community. I'm just disappointed that I noticed this thread so late and that he probably won't be reading this thread any longer.
He's tired of saying the same thing, so he had a little fun. If you want to know the reasons, use the search function.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1711
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Posted - 2014.10.16 19:38:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote: Considering the allocation of likes in this thread, you are clearly in the minority.
I'm sure if we had a thread about free ISK we'd get a lot of likes too.
Game design is not democratic.
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
3374
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Posted - 2014.10.16 19:53:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:He's tired of saying the same thing, so he had a little fun. If you want to know the reasons, use the search function.
Who are you, the arbiter of respecs?
If I actually took the time to use the search function, and I don't need to because I've read the anti-respec argument a billion times before, I wouldn't be seeing trash talk from a community-developer liaison. You seem to think that I'm talking to you right now so you keep quoting me for some reason, but I'm not. I'm looking squarely at GM Archduke and hoping that he understands that if wants to be a troll he is hurting the little respect the community has for the relationship between themselves and the developers.
All Archduke had to say was, "we have had discussions on this subject before internally at CCP and have decided it is not best to give a respec at this time, or very likely, at any time at all." Nothing more, nothing less, and most importantly, no trash. He can even copy paste it if he feels so inclined.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1712
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Posted - 2014.10.16 19:54:00 -
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They've said just that. Multiple times.
Have you not been paying attention, are you simply upset he didn't repeat the party line for the 1,001st time, or do you really, really, really just want the opportunity to re-spend those SP?? |
Taurion Bruni
D3ATH CARD RUST415
275
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Posted - 2014.10.16 21:04:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:a respec would help newer players compete with Vets vets wouldnt need to use the respec because of the simple fact that they already got like 40m+ SP as it is.. so regardless they would end up with just a pool of unspent SP as before.. where newbros would learn the game and go a more focused route..
like the old philosophy in EVE.. a newer player can get up to speed with a vet if they train focused on a particular role.. and a respec in dust would help with that.
and that philosophy is why we should not have a respec. This game is focused on the daily grind to continuously improve on your character. You decide on what you want to play, and pour all your points into one basket, until it is full.
Many of the people who want a respec are asking because they have spent a shallow amount of skills into every class, every role. with points spread out everywhere, you become the jack of all trades. But you need to remember that this game has a steep learning curve, and you are punished for that mistake
the other group who want a respec are those who are tired of the suit they decided to max out. Perhaps a rebalance made it so that they are not super slayers (Anyone remember the Caldari Slayer Logi?) But If a man decided to educate himself to learn to become a doctor, can he just decide one day to exchange all that knowledge so that he can become a professional lawyer?
Python Pilot // Minmatar Assault
Adapt or Die!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
3681
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Posted - 2014.10.16 21:12:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote: well maybe give us a respec and the threads will end :P
This is a goddamn lie.
the respec QQ never ends. In two years there hasn't been a single day that a respec hasn't been demanded INCLUDING THE DAY AFTER A RESPEC!!!
NO! No more! Buy a damn hint! |
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GM Archduke
Game Masters C C P Alliance
628
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Posted - 2014.10.16 21:24:00 -
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What people in this thread do not seem to understand is that I have no influence whatsoever over all this, all I wanted to do is to tell you guys my opinion, well, the CS opinion of why respecs are bad. But most people misunderstood even this, some were saying that this is just "lip service". I asked myself the question - do I need this extra hassle, stress in my life, trying to explain the same thing for the 1354848th time to people who think I can actually help them with this, when in fact I cannot?
Well, the answer is no, I don't. Logi Bro, usually I try to be super helpful, not just because it is my job, but because I am still a fan of DUST 514, still enjoy the game and still have high hopes. This stuff? Respecs? Again, should this ever be available again in any shape or form, we'll let you guys know.
GM Archduke
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1375
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Posted - 2014.10.16 21:28:00 -
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Cpt McReady wrote:
I am sorry for the aggressive tone but this topic is old and annoying and can be mostly summerized into following: some people want a respec, they bring good arguments for it, other people do not want that others get nice things and bring not so good arguments. .
Sorry but me and many others have seen it the exact opposite.
People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
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Nelo Angel0
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
267
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Posted - 2014.10.17 05:14:00 -
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I'm bumbing this not only because it's old, but also bumbing I know archduke really loves this topic. Honestly, I hope topics like these serve as a reminder to the guys at CCP that the SP system dust uses is just a huge flop compared to EvEs passive system, or even CoDs system. Why CoD? because in there your at least rewarded for using the same weapon and unlock attachments for completing feats. It's shocking you have 4 factions and all these racial weapons/equipment/vehicles and players don't get rewarded in the for at least achieving racial parity. I would love the tag of the CCP employee who thought that the SP in dust was smart so I can call him a damned fool. |
Stevez WingYip
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.10.17 06:19:00 -
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Respecs are pointless. If you want something, start training it. Problem solved? |
Stevez WingYip
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.10.17 06:43:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:What people in this thread do not seem to understand is that I have no influence whatsoever over all this, all I wanted to do is to tell you guys my opinion, well, the CS opinion of why respecs are bad. But most people misunderstood even this, some were saying that this is just "lip service". I asked myself the question - do I need this extra hassle, stress in my life, trying to explain the same thing for the 1354848th time to people who think I can actually help them with this, when in fact I cannot?
Well, the answer is no, I don't. Logi Bro, usually I try to be super helpful, not just because it is my job, but because I am still a fan of DUST 514, still enjoy the game and still have high hopes. This stuff? Respecs? Again, should this ever be available again in any shape or form, we'll let you guys know.
Repect to you for actually trying to handle this situation. People should just start training for something rather than ask for it for free with "respecs". Part of the fun in this game is working your skill points towards your next big item. |
Stevez WingYip
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.10.17 07:21:00 -
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A copy paste from the beginners guide.
"One thing worth remembering though, is that SP is never wasted, no matter your choices your mercenary unlocks new possibilities and becomes more dangerous. So donGÇÖt worry too much if you think you placed some SP into GÇÿthe wrongGÇÖ skill. It might just become very useful for you later down the line." |
La Lore Sleipnier
THE PR0T0TYPE
128
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Posted - 2014.10.17 08:36:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:What people in this thread do not seem to understand is that I have no influence whatsoever over all this, all I wanted to do is to tell you guys my opinion, well, the CS opinion of why respecs are bad. But most people misunderstood even this, some were saying that this is just "lip service". I asked myself the question - do I need this extra hassle, stress in my life, trying to explain the same thing for the 1354848th time to people who think I can actually help them with this, when in fact I cannot?
Well, the answer is no, I don't. Logi Bro, usually I try to be super helpful, not just because it is my job, but because I am still a fan of DUST 514, still enjoy the game and still have high hopes. This stuff? Respecs? Again, should this ever be available again in any shape or form, we'll let you guys know.
Dear Archduke, I have made two tickets to have a respect. The first before delta, only to suits and weapons, and the answer was no. Ok, but after Hotfix Delta my ADS was a little less lethal, so I made another ticket because the SP used to increase the ROF was no use, and they respect other skill, not the skill nerfed. So I see the forums and blogs everyday, and I can't found were somdbody says python and incubus ROF will be nerfed. You can see in all forums, we the pilots are not happy with this hotfix. I can understand the respect for everybody is very complicated, but just now ADS are veeeeery nerfed and swarms buffer, and that make what players don't need invert sp in swarms because militia is enought... Try to fly some battles and think about it
Soy una hoja al viento a merced de los elementos...
https://dust514.com/recruit/MfQjol/
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