Avinash, would you consider DUST a large scale battle game? :)

So, Mr. CPM, are you saying that there is no potential whatsoever for Dust to become a "large scale battle game"?

Is it possible or is that being saved for Project Legion too?

Avinash, would you consider DUST a large scale battle game? :)

Avinash, I'm pretty doubtful DUST will go above 16v16, personally. And between trying to shove more people in the game, and making the game perform better, at this point I'd prefer the latter. I have no idea what Legion's scale will look like, though I hope it's bigger than DUST's.

Pretty sure the limitation on match size is client-based, SoTa.

I don't think the possibility of an orbital issued to an arbitrary solo player is a justifiable reason to force soloers to squad. Entering a vehicle sooner is more a sign of a systemic problem with vehicle locking being a thing.

I hope you're bringing this here "vehicle locking" issue up to CCP?

Automatically placing players in squads doesn't solve any problems. It tries to obscure the problem.

The problem is organized, coordinated squads being matched against solo players. Auto-shoving them into a squad doesn't make six solo players organized.

And Thor, there's a ton of people who prefer to play solo. I'm not sure why you're crusading so hard to tell people that they must play the game the way you want them to. It's supposed to be a sandbox (in theory), where people can play how they want.

Agreed. Thor and I were in a squad that got stomped for 10 games in a row last night. Every match we entered hopeful played extremely hard only to realize our teamates had given up 2 minutes in leaving the enemy to focus all 16 of their players on us. It was brutal.

Something needs to be done to encourage more team play and actually trying to win.

Avinash, would you consider DUST a large scale battle game? :)

Turning blue dots to green dots changes very little. However, there is nothing in the Academy in game tutorials that ever explains how squadding works or the benefits of squadding. Casual players won't ever figure it out. Being squadded as the default option is Ok if one can drop squad if they wish.

There are an awful lot of people complaining about the idea of being automatically placed into squads saying it would ruin their experience but this is exactly what Mag did and not only did no one complain but it was great.

In Mag you didn't have to be on comms if you didn't want. You didn't need to follow squad orders. You didn't need to engage with your team at all, but there were benefits for doing so in the way of increased XP.

In Dust this would play out as increased SP which would directly translate into more SP growth for players working as a team. It wouldn't impinge upon your ability to tool around in anyway but would definitely encourage you to work with your squad.

Most of these guys just like to troll noobs to pad kd. If everyone in-game started knowing what to do and where to be they couldn't kill solo players in the back. Everyone would be more organized. Isn't that a thought? Everyone, all 16, working in unison to win battles?

You can't make people squad. People feel more comfortable now soloing when they want to. It's now possible to solo without it sucking every time. That's a good thing. You're just as likely to be against the solo rabble as to have them dragging you down on your side. If you really want to be assured of going against organized squads, find another corp that is willing and play opposite factions in FW at the same time. I've been wanting to try that idea but haven't gotten around to it. It's pure gold if you can just find a willing opponent.

considering when you don't force-assign voice to a channel, it autoconnects to squad/team by default?

90% of the time it's sudden, and they are raping my ears with idiocy.

It's not selfish, it's sanity preservation.

Also, I've yet to see a random collection of blue dots who pay attention to more than the first shiny that passes in front of them.

I've given up on trying to teach random squads how to act in concert. It's like herding cats, only the cats would cooperate more.

I really like this idea!
Not just for the fact it gathers randoms into a group, but mainly because of what Thor points out
-If it placed an auto defend order on squad lead at start of battle the randoms 'may' assist him
-Squad lead can reset this order when ever he likes (I would suggest higher MU mercs get SL)
-It gives the mindless Bluebs some sense of direction - DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

While solo mercs may disagree there is nothing stopping you from doing your own thing and
If the squad is full of screeching CODfish you can De-activate voice .. problem solved.
Along with this, creating a squad and locking it would allow you to solo and be left alone
So the only mercs added to random squads are the ones that deploy randomly

This would surely be some EZ magic for Rattati to work out, without an update
And would have the potential of boosting the interaction between mercs in battle

Ouch... I regret reading through some of the comments here ....

Soraya.. just because it puts mercs in random squads does not change much
You are acting like Thor is wanting to enslave the Blueberries to do his bidding.
If you read my first reply - Create Squad, Lock Squad = SOLO
The only mercs included would be those deploying randomly... you could choose!!
It may even make CCP take the time to explain the chat system, and squad system
(Which as a merc who has helped countless Blueberries learn how this works -IT'S NEEDED)

What is most disappointing is that SoTa is being more constructive than a CPM member

Anyone denying the benefits of 'forcing' mercs to squad needs to re-evaluate ....
Have you taken mercs at -1million SP and tried to assist them as they figure this game out ...??
I have, countless times since Beta... 80% have NO IDEA how to work things out on Dust

If you have you would approve of this feature, mercs should be gathered from the beginning
They don't have to group up and circle-jerk but this sets a better example for squad play...
They could learn from mercs playing the game rather than local Chat farmers or Troll finder

If your so afraid of mercs being forced into squads - have the auto squads disband after battle.
You talk of NPE yet would prefer that randoms are left as they are to be farmed by everyone else

Keep it up Thor, hopefully there are CCP/CPM members who see the value of this proposal.

Automatically placing players in squads doesn't solve any problems. It tries to obscure the problem.

The problem is organized, coordinated squads being matched against solo players. Auto-shoving them into a squad doesn't make six solo players organized.

And Thor, there's a ton of people who prefer to play solo. I'm not sure why you're crusading so hard to tell people that they must play the game the way you want them to. It's supposed to be a sandbox (in theory), where people can play how they want.

I notice a very high prevalence of Molon Labe people in support of this thread. ;) It's great your corp likes squads, but not everyone wants them.