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Alaika Arbosa
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Posted - 2014.09.25 15:33:00 -
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Bump match size to 18v18 have 3 squads on either side and autoload them?
Only question then is how do you decide who is SL?
"Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth
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Alaika Arbosa
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Posted - 2014.09.25 15:48:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:I'd just drop and squad I was allocated to. If I must suffer the presence of pubbies in my squad they will be pubbies of my choosing.
What if dropping squad dropped you out of the match?
"Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth
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Alaika Arbosa
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Posted - 2014.09.25 15:55:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:I'd just drop and squad I was allocated to. If I must suffer the presence of pubbies in my squad they will be pubbies of my choosing. What if dropping squad dropped you out of the match? Isn't that treating players poorly?
I would view it more as saying "you want to play a squad based game, so be in a squad or don't play the game".
I mean, it isn't like you can't start a squad (invite people or be happy with who the servers ally with you) or join one from the finder (only join squads led by people you enjoy playing with or keep joining them until you find a squad you can stomach).
It isn't like there aren't tools there to help you refrain from being put into a squad with random "pubbies", if you're not going to use them then don't complain.
"Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth
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Alaika Arbosa
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:17:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:
I would view it more as saying "you want to play a squad based game, so be in a squad or don't play the game".
I mean, it isn't like you can't start a squad (invite people or be happy with who the servers ally with you) or join one from the finder (only join squads led by people you enjoy playing with or keep joining them until you find a squad you can stomach).
It isn't like there aren't tools there to help you refrain from being put into a squad with random "pubbies", if you're not going to use them then don't complain.
Most players are idiot olympic gold winners. There is no advantage to playing with most and bluntly 9 out of 10 times I am deeply occupied putting vehicle drivers and ADS pilots in their proper place (in the grave) to give a rippling crap what the redt of you are doing. You take points, kill people, whatever. My AV mission keeping that crap off your asses won't be assisted by listening to a bunch of idiot mouth-breathers go full nerdrage when someone manages to gank them. So no. Take your forced squad idea and put it elsewhere. If it becomes a thing I'll just make a squad and lock it and STILL fly solo.
i would imagine that if they implemented the idea as I described, they would remove the ability to lock a squad (or allow the server to override that lock to place players for the match).
I would tend to agree with you honestly though. I generally run solo, doing my own thing, however, I also am usually a team player even when running solo.
I also think I see this idea as being good to the overall health of the game rather than a detriment to my own personal solo playstyle.
"Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth
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Alaika Arbosa
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:22:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:I would view it more as saying "you want to play a squad based game, so be in a squad or don't play the game". So, if say, 50% of players were playing DUST solo (I actually have no idea what the number on this would be, CCP hasn't told me, and I couldn't tell you if I knew.), you would say CCP should tell that 50% of it's playerbase to eff off and go play a different game?
I'd say >50% of the playerbase cries for respecs (or has) and CCP consistently tells them to "eff off and go play a different game".
Hell, they've even basically added that to the login page (not giving them out, don't bother asking).
There is also the thought that if this were to be implemented, there would be nothing stopping CCP from adding a solo only game mode (or version of each game mode).
"Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth
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Alaika Arbosa
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:36:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:I would view it more as saying "you want to play a squad based game, so be in a squad or don't play the game". So, if say, 50% of players were playing DUST solo (I actually have no idea what the number on this would be, CCP hasn't told me, and I couldn't tell you if I knew.), you would say CCP should tell that 50% of it's playerbase to eff off and go play a different game? I'd say >50% of the playerbase cries for respecs (or has) and CCP consistently tells them to "eff off and go play a different game". Hell, they've even basically added that to the login page (not giving them out, don't bother asking). There is also the thought that if this were to be implemented, there would be nothing stopping CCP from adding a solo only game mode (or version of each game mode). I'd LOVE it if regular ambush was no squad, no vehicle solo play.
Yeah, that would be cool, just a bunch of guys competing for Alpha Predator.
"Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth
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Alaika Arbosa
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:39:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:I will make the lives of everone who squads with me hell if I am not allowed to dictate who I wish to play with.
The thing is, you can still dictate who you play with, squad with alliance mates/corpies or find a tolerable squad in the squad finder.
Either way you are dictating who you play with with the only restriction being that you must play with 5 other people in squad with you.
"Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth
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Alaika Arbosa
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:51:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:I will make the lives of everone who squads with me hell if I am not allowed to dictate who I wish to play with. The thing is, you can still dictate who you play with, squad with alliance mates/corpies or find a tolerable squad in the squad finder. Either way you are dictating who you play with, with the only restriction being that you must play with 5 other people in squad with you. I think that preventing leaving squad in the warbarge or in game could have some implications in PC. People DC and you have to bring people in or someone changes roles and switches squad mid battle. To me even if only 20% of players stayed in the squad they were thrown into it would be a win.
lolPC is a totally different beast from the pubs I am talking about.
I could see this working in FW too, though lolPC is intended to be totally player directed so it would make sense to have the exception present there if you ask me.
"Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth
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Alaika Arbosa
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:38:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:
I'm not saying that it will solve everything. I think something like this could potentially direct someone toward using team work.
Teamwork is undermined by people thinking KDR matters. Teamwork is undermined by people thinking that they are the hero on the battlefield. Teamwork is undermined when half the team is in scout suits. Teamwork is undermined by the lack of anything resembling a tutorial. Teamwork is undermined by the realization that the people you are trying to coordinate are idiots and your repeated statements of "Don't charge the Amarr Sentinel with the HMG" get ignored over and over. So do nothing? Watch one of the greatest attributes of Dust continue to deteriorate? Basically right now you have COD with a fraction of the team actually participating in the gameplay design and the remaining derping around doing whatever they please. The major difference in COD is that you don't have disposable items each time you die. They either need to incentivize teamwork and winning matches or they need to remove ISK and SP and embrace the lobby shooter completely.
^This is the root of the problem
"Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth
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Alaika Arbosa
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Posted - 2014.09.25 20:34:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Avinash, would you consider DUST a large scale battle game? :)
So, Mr. CPM, are you saying that there is no potential whatsoever for Dust to become a "large scale battle game"?
Is it possible or is that being saved for Project Legion too?
"Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth
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Alaika Arbosa
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Posted - 2014.09.29 23:27:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:But why even have the option to not auto-cue into a squad. It is in no way detrimental to be there? As soon as the battle ends you're out of the squad. Once again, no downside.
If people are annoying, mute them. If you don't think the squad is moving in the right direction, don't go there. I do not see any way that being auto-placed into a squad changes your ability to treat this game like it is not a team based shooter. Have you never played another team based shooter and seen how these auto-squad features work?
No player or mechanic will ever be able to stop you from ignoring team play and refusing to work with people, regardless of whether you are placed into a squad or not.
Might infringe on the ability of others to play their way is their argument I assume.
Funny thing is that argument falls apart once you realize that forcing such a liberal policy on all is bound to infringe on the way that some wish to play.
If you ask me, the "ability to play the way you want" is a cop out designed to remove the need to tell anyone "HTFU, this is the way it is, suck it up and deal or walk"
"Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth
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