And here's the problem. Here's why this idea is dumb and doesn't solve it. Right now, matchmaking has been fixed to avoid these imbalances. But Thor's system would reintroduce the imbalance, by putting everyone, competent or not, in squads together. Breaking the ability to use squad organization as a useful matchmaking flag.

There's several strange arguments in here, kinda making me scratch my head at your reasonings.

Firstly: What game have you played when you're in a team and certain team mates are a different color you don't automatically realize what's going on? Most people will grasp quick that it means teamwork is employed in this game, and it will show-case to people to explore this route more aggressively then if they were just put in solo play.

And seeing how focused Dust is on this subject, it's imperative Dust does everything it can to bring people together, to an extent. And auto-placing people is a great method. You can reason it out by saying TTK in this game makes this FPS experience closer to an MMO experience, as you'll be doing actual gun fights with others - so teamwork will shine light like the sun in a dark sky. MMO's are all about concentrate fire on important targets - Dust is much the same.

Secondly: The importance of class choice is really shown when you decide where to place your SP to benefit a team rather then yourself. Forcing people into squads means a certain type of player, logistical, one who has suffered for over a year now, can more easily enjoy his role without needing others or waiting for a squad to form. As well as other roles, such as Scout, Sniper, LAV Pilot, DS, and AV. Slayers have always had it too easy in this game, being able to pretty much do a little of everything and being able to survive solo for it - other classes don't have it so easy, and believe it or not, heave is one of them.

And here's the problem. Here's why this idea is dumb and doesn't solve it. Right now, matchmaking has been fixed to avoid these imbalances. But Thor's system would reintroduce the imbalance, by putting everyone, competent or not, in squads together. Breaking the ability to use squad organization as a useful matchmaking flag.

Thor, I don't agree that a good thing for DUST is to take your personal preference and auto-apply it to everyone. I'm sorry, we're not going to see eye to eye on this one. SirManBoy would probably be all over this though.

Soraya - go talk to CCP and ask them if it's possible to add more parameters to the match making system, as in, you know, add in that solo players will get grouped up, so add that to the function?

You know, cause, programming, is, you know, creative?

I don't understand how this is hard. Are you telling me they can make a burning tree on PC but they can't add parameters to match making?

He assumes that all the new players that enter the game want to play solo apparently.

and your assuming people want the full Dust experience in a mostly casual game.

This.

This.

Players can at any point leave the squad if they are 'anti-squad' for any reason and at the end of the battle it might get people talking with one and other.

So, players like myself should be forced to, every match, pause to go into the chat window, find the squad chat thing, and leave squad? I can tell you I'd find that annoying.

So, players like myself should be forced to, every match, pause to go into the chat window, find the squad chat thing, and leave squad? I can tell you I'd find that annoying.

It will remain nothing but casual if we stick with your reasoning - there is a competitive and cut-throat side of this game that isn't show-cased EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST.

that is a HUGE concern for this game, and you CPM should be all over fixing the NPE to include PC talks and incentive to be more then casual.

PC is inherently unfixable, IMHO. I'd definitely like to see FacWar play out as a much more hardcore and much more profitable institution though. NPE in general, is a very high priority, and easing the ability to collaborate with others is important.

This is not the way to do it. We have a squad finder that does this. It's very prominent, right next to the instant battle button.

If anything, I'd love to fix voice settings to default on, so that new players don't have to monkey in settings to be able to hear people. So when they DO choose to join a squad, it works well. And they can turn voice off if they need to. (On the other hand, if you auto-squad people, having voice on by default would be really really annoying.)

But forcing people into squads is wrong.

Well hopefully CCP thinks you are a stupid as you are showing to be here.

PC is inherently unfixable, IMHO. I'd definitely like to see FacWar play out as a much more hardcore and much more profitable institution though. NPE in general, is a very high priority, and easing the ability to collaborate with others is important.

This is not the way to do it. We have a squad finder that does this. It's very prominent, right next to the instant battle button.

If anything, I'd love to fix voice settings to default on, so that new players don't have to monkey in settings to be able to hear people. So when they DO choose to join a squad, it works well. And they can turn voice off if they need to. (On the other hand, if you auto-squad people, having voice on by default would be really really annoying.)

But forcing people into squads is wrong.

Maybe we can talk when you're done having your tantrum. The whole "last word, drop mic, and block on Skype" thing was real mature. ;)

As I already told you, SirManBoy is a CPM member who would probably be all for this. But I'm not going to support a design that I feel is abusive to player choice.

I'm fairly upset that one of our player representatives is showing his ass about something that would help new players more than any tutorial or squad finder.

Squad finder is great for people in an corp or alliance, but many times the public finder has squads at the top that people jump in and out of because the squad leader is AFK.

Thor, the problem is, you're assuming your view represents all players. And I specifically directed you to a CPM representative who would probably agree with you, and at best, be a better person to represent the issue. More than once, in fact.

I know how SMB feels on the issue, I don't need to ask him about stuff like this. He sees the beauty of team play in Dust and the fact that it's one of the main things that sets Dust apart from other FPS.

So ALL of the CPM members should represent Thor Odinson42's personal opinion then? And if they don't, you throw a tantrum, call them names, and then block them on Skype?

So ALL of the CPM members should represent Thor Odinson42's personal opinion then? And if they don't, you throw a tantrum, call them names, and then block them on Skype?

LOL

*Grabs popcorn*

Soraya has a point btw, just because he's blind doesn't change who he is - but he's not being very observant of his position and what it means for a CPM to be posting the way he is in your thread.