Infantry costs less, and is harder to get to than a big ass ship in the sky.

And a python should win 1v1 a infantry av from a realistic view.

Big ship that has its main tank that resists the av people use, or an infantry with a handheld gun...really I always wondered...

Your uninformed opinion is discarded, you have not flown a python, or a ship, and you can't aim while being hit.

I have flown a python, and even I don't get the ADS EHP buff.

Crack reference may have gone too far though.

Not after Hotfix Charlie reduces the ADS' price. Though ISK/AUR/SP/LP are not valid arguments when engaging in balance discussions.



From a realistic view, a Python being hit from a single Swarm volley should be instantly killed without the ability to 'bail', and a Forge Gun (aka kinetic slug powered by a capacitor traveling at 1200m/s) should cause the Python to vaporize[/i]



Your comparison is incomplete, it should be:

Big ship with:

• Superior DPS
• Superior HP
• Superior Movement Speed
• Superior Evasion Capabilities
• Superior Ammunition Capacity
• Superior Kills per Ammunition Capacity
• Superior Anti-infantry Capabilities
• Superior Anti-Vehicle Capabilities
• Superior Movement Capabilities
• Superior TTK

or Infantry with Handheld gun

Yet an infantry forger will always win 1v1 assuming it's not mlt.

If you get killed by AV, it's because you made the decision to remain in the area as opposed to evading.

That is in no way a problem.

Whaat? Haven't you ever been instakilled because your 2550 hp wasn't enough? Or got 3 shotted?

I've been instant killed by well coordinated players, damage focused red-line tanks equipped large rail turret, and downed in 3 shots. Still not a good reason to increase ADS health.

ADS are one of the most mobile things a player can control in game. Able to engage and disengage at the pilot's discretion. Increasing the ADS's EHP while maintaining it's current mobility would increase ADS's survivability to ridiculous levels. This would not be fair to AV users whose goal is to protect their team and interests from us, ADS pilots. ADS must remain fragile. as they currently are.

PS: You've never 1v1 a forge gunner before and won?

I have just it's not really possible when they have so much hp in say pc, and I drive away pythons and incubi in 1 shot from my forge, so......

Dont pay attention to protofits,if anything it shows a false view of air to air combat especialyy as it currently stands. if i encounter any Python with less than 3K shiels i will definitely engage in my Incubus and will most likley kill it if it doesn't run away especially with just an ADV turret. With the 600 more shields It wont be OP it will have a fighting chance.

Dont pay attention to protofits,if anything it shows a false view of air to air combat especialyy as it currently stands. if i encounter any Python with less than 3K shiels i will definitely engage in my Incubus and will most likley kill it if it doesn't run away especially with just an ADV turret. With the 600 more shields It wont be OP it will have a fighting chance.

For the reverse sake for armor ships any pilot who flys an incubus with under 3K hp is asking for death. As an incubus pilot i like the buff to the python it makes thing a bit more fair.

and to respond to rattati sure the only difference to discern in tier is whether its assault (either tier 4 or proto prof.1 RR,SCR, or Cr) or semi auto (all possible tiers except the AR which would be either tier 2, 4 or proto and the HMG which would be either tier 4 or proto) But just with the muzzle flash you can tell what type it is, whether its more powerful vs sheilds or armor and therefore how to engage it. You can gauge danger in many ways dropship pilots cannot.

When all you to go by when fighting another infantry player is the muzze flash you tend to become quite good at it and it becomes a very valubale piece of information. All pilots have to ID swarms is 1) missiles fired from a pixel 2) how many missiles are in the air before i'm going to be hit or 3) getting hit. No way to tell which suit or as in most cases which way the swarms are even coming from. even with forge gunners you can tell by how quickly blue lughts flash accross your feild of view as you spin and afterburn like mad trying to stay alive. So now our only way to ID any sort of swarmer is to get hit or see the pixel as he fires. This is imprtant to gauge whether or not we should engage the swarmer or keep away, becuase its 30% or our total knowledge base. On the other hand i aim a weapon at antoher infantry player and i can tell down to the effiency % or my weapon damaging them. Try dropshipping every day for a month, you soon realise how dangerous and difficult is to fly dropships and how much we rely upon so little infromation.

Yet an infantry forger will always win 1v1 assuming it's not mlt.

If ADS were balanced based on PC they would never be destroyed in pub matches.

Not for long though.
Lack of ammunition really makes it difficult to keep them at bay.

Problem is that they regen faster then we can damage them (looks at ADSs with afterburners) . Increase EHP and lower regen abilities. Lowers chances of OHK any vehicle, makes weapons vital for deterring vehicles and deadly for bad pilots.

So....what? Because a weapon that is designed to destroy a vehicle works its OP? Sniper can down most medium frames in 2-3 hits is that OP?

Yet an infantry forger will always win 1v1 assuming it's not mlt.

If ADS were balanced based on PC they would never be destroyed in pub matches.

1. Who cares about pubs
2. That just means they are underpowered in an competitive environment then, which it shouldn't be, it shoukd kinda be balanced around people who have an iq over 2.

1.) 99% of the DUST 514 community.

2.) Balance in general implies efficiency at a 1:1 ratio, which is indeed possible in both game-modes.

If that's the case, why does every python I face with my forge never win?

This is anecdotal, and obviously fabricated.

But if I had to guess, it's because they're terrible pilots.

Since there hasn't been any statement regarding this, may we know the rationale behind the Dropship Buff-¦ and SL nerf?

If that's the case, why does every python I face with my forge never win?

If Forge Guns are the big threat, why are we discussing Swarm nerfs?

Only proto is getting nerfed, slightly.

Did you see the "Destructive Data Mining" results?
What does that tell you about the need to nerf Swarms.

We should be discussing reasonable ways to make them better. Not worse.