Reduce range, increase headshot multiplier, increase damage on some (not thales), make other variants than charged/thales useful, new reticule (don't know how easy that will be).

Reward good snipers that get consistent headshots
Bring snipers out of the redline
Increase their effective dps so they may be PC viable

I also liked the idea of fewer shots in the clip and faster reload to come with the higher damage profile.

I forgot to mention;

If the player that got tagged is also scanned, the tag would be seen through objects, just like you can see the tags for all of the null cannons no mater where you are or what's between you and the objective. A small, unobtrusive tag, like a tiny little square speech bubble looking thing with a point on the bottom, pointing to the center of the avatar's head. Just an idea.

If the player isn't scanned AND tagged, the tag only pops up above their head if some portion of them is directly in line of sight, making them easier to spot.

Reduce range, increase headshot multiplier, increase damage on some (not thales), make other variants than charged/thales useful, new reticule (don't know how easy that will be).

Reward good snipers that get consistent headshots
Bring snipers out of the redline
Increase their effective dps so they may be PC viable

I also liked the idea of fewer shots in the clip and faster reload to come with the higher damage profile.

reduce range? snipers work from a distance. if anything snipers need longer range, but I suppose that you think a good range would be 300m rather than the current 600m.

fewer shots per clip? right now the protos only have 5 shots or 3 shots per clip.

Have you even equipped a sniper rifle?

when it can take 7 shots to kill a heavy (if he will stay still that long) reducing the clip size is possibly the stupidest thing I've seen coming out of a DEV

removing snipers from the redline? this is a game mechanic that has no place in a discussion on snipers....every player takes advantage of the redline from, spawning forge gunners to lav gunners to tankers to ADS.

But If you want snipers out of the redline then give me a sniper rifle that will allow me to snipe into the redline from anywhere on the map and a scope that will resolve a player anywhere on the map. make the redline more unsafe.

Most of the "snipers" inputting feedback here are not snipers but sniper haters (anyone who asks for a clip reduction or range reduction is not a sniper).

I would suggest that you create a sniper and actually play the role (walk a few 100k in a sniper's boots) before you come down from your perch and pronounce how you know how to make sniper weapons better. Hell I'll even let you cheat and create a character and just give them the skill points...

reduce range? snipers work from a distance. if anything snipers need longer range, but I suppose that you think a good range would be 300m rather than the current 600m.

fewer shots per clip? right now the protos only have 5 shots or 3 shots per clip.

Have you even equipped a sniper rifle?

when it can take 7 shots to kill a heavy (if he will stay still that long) reducing the clip size is possibly the stupidest thing I've seen coming out of a DEV

removing snipers from the redline? this is a game mechanic that has no place in a discussion on snipers....every player takes advantage of the redline from, spawning forge gunners to lav gunners to tankers to ADS.

But If you want snipers out of the redline then give me a sniper rifle that will allow me to snipe into the redline from anywhere on the map and a scope that will resolve a player anywhere on the map. make the redline more unsafe.

Most of the "snipers" inputting feedback here are not snipers but sniper haters (anyone who asks for a clip reduction or range reduction is not a sniper).

I would suggest that you create a sniper and actually play the role (walk a few 100k in a sniper's boots) before you come down from your perch and pronounce how you know how to make sniper weapons better. Hell I'll even let you cheat and create a character and just give them the skill points...

Are you being serious? The ishukone is awesome. It has a great RoF, and stacking damage mods makes it easy. You shouldn't be whining about proficiency though. Lvl 3 isn't lvl 5, after all. Skill up to max before you ask for more damage or officer rifles. We snipers don't need an "easy button," I'd just like to see some more friendly implementation to make our niche more viable.

Id like to see a sniper ever be useful. Most worthless class here. I dont even let snipers stay in my squad. And its all because you have that redline to hide in. Thales is a ohk on many suits, combine that with position in the redline that makes them unkillable, if not unfindable, and too much of a buff will make them a huge pain in the pleasure of this game.

I'm sorry you feel your class is underserved but we definitely do not need snipers too powerful in this game. Snipers have the potentional to ruin a shooter, simply because of their popularity they restrict movement, make people less inclined to run around. And at its worst it becomes MW3 and BO2, I liked COD before quick scoping and no scoping became the fit of the game.

Almost forgot, just some FYI for you snipers. Almost all of you talk too damn much, you people talk and give intel about every damn thing moving on the field the whole game. Your blocking out my music, and killimg my high. Ya we get it dudes are coming, pushing Alpha. Ok now stfu for 5 seconds and get a damn kill. Just chill, you dont have to tell us every thing.

NO!!! Pro and Thale snipers are already one hit kill on most suits so no more improvements if they want to tweak it it should be a nerf TxT

NO!!! Pro and Thale snipers are already one hit kill on most suits so no more improvements if they want to tweak it it should be a nerf TxT

scouts..


scouts are most suits now, but other suits do exist.

that said i've known brick tanked scouts that can easily survive thale shots.

even as a lone wolf I used to be an intel spewer until they took team comms away.

even as a lone wolf I used to be an intel spewer until they took team comms away.

What needs to change is the way snipers work.

There shouldn't be any scope sway before you ADS, but it should then happen after you fire as you regain control.

def needs this, aiming randomly hoping to hit something when defending myself is just silly

ADS', tanks, forgers, n drive by heavies say otherwise.
And at the absolute very LEAST the reticule needs to change, hard to hit uplinks n such at higher end ranges.

@ Irish Webster +1 from me.

"duck because I see you "

classic..

+10 for the enjoying being a useful sniper post

+100 for trying to keep the vantage point alive

+1000 for the shared joy in the hunt.

cold and clinical precision, a good description

as for a sniper thread with a dev & cpm on here...

Priceless.

if it works out you may have earned immunity from my rifle

Now I can peal off my no scope sticker decal.

http://www.amazon.com/BGR-Mods-No-Scope-Decal/dp/B003F1M3Q0

I didn't see anything concrete here, increase headshot multiplier, range, make other snipers than Thale's powerful, increase scope zoom....

Anecdotally I haven't been killed by a sniper in ages, get picked off once in a blue moon if I am careless and in open under half hp. I need to look at the numbers, but sniper use is very stable, none of the rifles or new weapons have had a meaningful impact on the use of sniper rifles, so it's a steady group of people who like to snipe apparantly, I am not even sure they venture into Tac AR or SCR at all.

Feel free to share, we have no specific hate/love with snipers, they should have a viable place on the battlefield like all of our weapons.

In my book, drive by heavies are worse than redliners, because at least you can weave/butterfly to avoid being sniper bait.

Another highly serious problem with snipers is the fact their bullet trails are invisible so even if you do manage to not only survive or dodge the sniper you cannot fathom where he is exactly at most of the time.

While this can be argued that other games get away with this most often those other games have 1. excessively limited number of sniping spots. 2. Kill cams, 3. Far better hit incoming indicators. 4. Better kill readouts.

Also its been generally known that if the game doesn't draw the source of the shot it doesn't draw any weapon effects they use. Which is why there have been calls to reduce range in exchange for power. It would increase the risk and the reward for sniper players.

There are other finer points that need addressing but for the most part the snipers are most of the time too weak and excessively difficult to get a follow up shot on even on moving targets regardless at distances due to the lack of acceleration on controllers making most aiming knee jerkingly bad but this is apparent an inherent nature of ps3 controller. I am not sure how bad the mice and keyboard folks have it though.

erm.. no thank you.

you have looked at the numbers but not thought about practice.

charge rifle
at that range you will be on the ground constantly
you will be reloading for a good few seconds after every single shot
you still have to charge up and get your target in the middle of your scope.
reduce maximum ammo, are you nuts? you only get 27 shots at the moment with the closer range you will miss more often as with every small movement by the target they will be off your scope nevermind the reticule.
give away position without fail? in what way would any sniper ever want this?

this would go something like this,

see target, charge rifle, shoot- hit and kill- reload- die because the players squad now know where you are and closed the gap.
-miss and reload- switch to sidearm and try to run away/get killed by the target.

even after successful attempts you will spend most of the round trying to move to a new spot.
missing will mean death,
killing will be almost as bad.
you are attempting to turn the charge rifle into what the plasma cannon just was only slightly more accurate,
even the plasma cannon was not good as a weapon like this.

you want sniper rifles to be semi quick scope close range weapons?

it won't work out well.. if your outdoors in a decent position at those ranges you'll be scanned constantly as well as being ads and tank fodder, not to mention the scouts you won't ever even know were there until you read the kill sheet

if you trying to use it indoors you'll quickly see why a weapon which requires aiming and which only hits the centre of it's scope is a long range weapon- good luck getting your ohk against the heavy and his squad heading for you.

the thing to remember when you ask for these range reductions is that the actual sniper rifle mechanics are intended for at range combat, i.e you will find yourself using your sidearm much more than your sniper rifle if you reduce range too far.

also why do you want snipers so close? the whole range reduction is simply a compromise because the red line mechanic can't be fixed.

or will you admit that the red line isn't the problem and that people just want snipers to be sitting ducks?

I also feel the need to ask for a guy with "concrete" sniper rifle suggestions, why do you hate snipers?

@Irishwebster

lol, don't worry I'll make it work