ADS - personally I think they're unbalanced but they do actually take significant damage from large rails, forges, even swarms now the resistance bug is fixed.
Tanks - take significant damage from all of the above plus JLAVs, plasma cannons, AV grenades, remote explosives, proxies.
Forgers - guess you mean tower forgers, who take damage from snipers, dropships, infantry dropped by dropships, and OBs (their location is much easier to work out than snipers' as they are much shorter ranged than snipers [they have no scope] and fire massive bolts of lightning).
Drive by heavies - vulnerable to everything tanks are vulnerable to.
Only redline snipers take literally no damage unless a red in the same role is involved.

I agree as well. But maybe if we make snipers actually dangerous, they wouldn't have to sit in the redline?

I DEFINITELY want a redline fix. it's a sink hole into which good game balance and mechanics have gone to drown and die.

I would be genuinely happy just to hear that snipers are getting some attention.

I'll even be pleased at this point if rattati comes on to this thread and says "your having a laugh we all hate snipers".

to the thread I say this, the sniper rifles are not in a good place and are far from 'fine' don't believe me? grab an ishukone and go do a p.c match... if you also happen to believe that a sniper should be within 300 meters then PLEASE do it within that range...

I Already know what happens at this suggestion, I've tried it as well as other tactics.

Too many people will keep going on about redlines everytime there is a sniper thread and everytime I say

"snipers are not the only people that use the red line therefore it is not snipers you are complaining about go and make a thread about red lines in the suggestions threads"

"snipers do not care about the red line, the fact that they use it stems from the lack of half decent vantage points inside the middle of the map areas, we never asked for bowl shape maps, and I can honestly say I have never seen a sniper asking for any kind of extra red line benefits"
Please note I have even added threads myself asking for changes to the red line areas and you know what folks..

I didn't see a single one of you people who regularly say about snipers getting no help til the red line is gone put so much as a plus one on there even though the suggestion would of completely fixed the problem.

so you say about the red lines being the reason to keep anybody who enjoys sniping in a bad place in this game... ok I CALL B.S

I don't for a second believe that the red line being taken away would stop you complaining about snipers.


anybody who has seen good results from a good sniper recently has seen it in a pub match.

If I'm wrong feel free to post on here saying what you saw in a p.c match that means that snipers are still 'fine'
. only from p.c battles
. not including thales rifles, you can not gain a thales rifle through choice.

to the author, +1 mate I'm a dedicated sniper in this game and I miss being able to take part in p.c matches in the way I like.
so good luck getting a positive response mate, fingers crossed.

(before anybody gets all 'your a coward', etc I also play heavy and a.v roles. sniping is my preferred game style and my corp would agree with me that I am an asset to the team when I do it.)

1. The mid-tier sniper rifles are essentially useless. They need something. Better zoom maybe.

2. The actual zoomed-in sniper reticule is far too busy. Give me a simple cross hair. The thread crosshair I tape on my TV screen is a pain in the ass. My cat keeps pulling it off.

3. Having to fit a ck.0 commando suit with 3 complex damage mods and a charge sniper rifle just to bring a proto heavy to half armor is a bit silly.

4. All headshots with a sniper rifle should be automatic kills on any suit. Period.

5. Having to use a dropship to get a good sniping location is silly. The lack of sniper locations in the middle of maps (aside from buildings) is a pain. But if the devs want me to stay out of the middle of maps, I will.

6. Give me a hip fire reticule.


All of the above things are giving snipers incentive to sit behind the redline. Make snipers more effective at medium range and they'll come in closer.

6. NO. Rambo never used a sniper rifle, and he's the only man who's allowed to fire from the hip. Get an SMG and use a sidearm, or be a commando sniper and pack an AR. Problem solved. Sniper rifles are a niche weapon, not frickin hip cannons.

I remember the days when you could hip fire a charge rifle and it would go in one solid direction... NO HIP FIRE RETICLE!!!

I LOVE the idea of scaling head shot rewards, although I believe that these, especially piled on top of the bonus we already have (I have no idea what it actually is) would likely be... excessive. Lol I don't think anyone should be able to one-shot a fully tanked sentinel of any kind, and these numbers sound like they could damn near one-shot a Maddy. Maybe CCP could use their data hamsters to drum up some good numbers?

I ran the numbers, a fully tanked sentinal dies to one shot head shot only with thales @ 50 meters. I feel that risking the thales at 50 meters is definitely worth the 1 head shot kill reward. Body damage is the same! (Damage modded pro commando, prof V sniper rifle)

Even though, what kind of damage would you be able to do at 200 meters in a single headshot? I feel like the numbers are also too linear. Maybe increasing jumps between distances along a bell curve, for instance? Besides, in real life, a round needs a certain distance to counter-act precession and wobbling, let alone to achieve terminal velocity. I feel like such a regimented increase in damage across such a regular interval is... unrealistic.

Snipers should be last thing to be buffed......the red line makes them op

Agree on 1. Better zoom across the board makes it more a niche weapon, and expresses it's actual purpose.

2. Yep. First and foremost, we need a new reticule. This solid dot in the middle of the screen obscuring targets at the intended range of engagement is... well, stupid.

3. Eh... yes and no. I don't want this setup to be able to that kind of damage with a body shot, but it should do this with a headshot. Heavies should at least be able to take two head shots. This is the future; they're tanks with legs, for God's sake.

4. No. HELL no. People would cry "OP!" until the sniper rifle got nerved into oblivion, and I wouldn't blame them. We don't need an easy button- if you can't hit the head twice, be an assault man.

5. Yes. Using a derpship to get anywhere useful is a chore, and requires skills that are completely superfluous in sniping.

6. NO. Rambo never used a sniper rifle, and he's the only man who's allowed to fire from the hip. Get an SMG and use a sidearm, or be a commando sniper and pack an AR. Problem solved. Sniper rifles are a niche weapon, not frickin hip cannons.

3. Having to fit a ck.0 commando suit with 3 complex damage mods and a charge sniper rifle just to bring a proto heavy to half armor is a bit silly.

4. All headshots with a sniper rifle should be automatic kills on any suit. Period.

. Having to use a dropship to get a good sniping location is silly. The lack of sniper locations in the middle of maps (aside from buildings) is a pain. But if the devs want me to stay out of the middle of maps, I will.

All of the above things are giving snipers incentive to sit behind the redline. Make snipers more effective at medium range and they'll come in closer.

#6- Chuck Norris is also allowed to fire from the hip....
#6C- Arnold too....

Again, they won't, because so many would just take the easy way out. Give them the buffs, by all means, but the redline needs to be pushed back 200m, so that all of the incredible positions are not protected by the redline.

I have snipers maxed out and I do not want them changed. This fixes the redline sniper abuse.

How does this fix anything?

Bad troll is bad.

Arnold... I'm sorry, but he doesn't count anymore. I can't take that dude seriously. He's the governor of arguably the most ridiculous state in the USA, where the Marine Corps forces me to live. Oh, the crazy sh*t that I've seen...

The fact that hardly anyone redline snipes now. Honestly I wanted the redline removed but this will do. Go back to hiding in your redline.

Lol I don't snipe in the redline, and neither is this the point that I'm addressing. Attempting to hijack the thread by typing two random statements that are both disjointed and completely opinionated, lacking any supporting evidence or argument is trolling. In any case, if you're going to participate in the conversation, be constructive, and please stay on topic.

Thank ye kindly.

Fine, fine. They're supposed to have customizations so you can change the scopes etc.. I'm assuming they'd have the same option for the reticule but they have yet to confirm the date for customizations. This was a while ago, maybe a year?

Good 'ol Ahnold. No longer the governor of anything except himself.

Plus, he owns a tank. The one he used to pilot back in his time in the Austrian military. I don't see Chuck Norris doing anything cool now that he's old. Old age Arnie > old age Chuck (e cheese) Norris.

Uh... Anyway... Snipers? Uh, yeah, maps need some of those stupid roof walls removed that prevent sniping and heavies from being able to get off the building. Plus, more ladders. Verticality is good for not just snipers, but good for creating interesting, non-one dimensional fights.

+1 for your name...
+100 for Chesty Puller
+100 for Semper Fi
+100 for Sniper Love

stop by if you see me in the Redline area...I'll be cooking MRE's and shootin' redberries......

Are you being serious? The ishukone is awesome. It has a great RoF, and stacking damage mods makes it easy. You shouldn't be whining about proficiency though. Lvl 3 isn't lvl 5, after all. Skill up to max before you ask for more damage or officer rifles. We snipers don't need an "easy button," I'd just like to see some more friendly implementation to make our niche more viable.

Snipers should be last thing to be buffed......the red line makes them op

Yeah, but... this happened, and then THIS happened.

Check. Mate.

Agreed. More roofs should be opened up, and ladders would be a great boon, ESPECIALLY if we didn't have to stop in JUST the right spot to be able to hit a frickin button to climb up them... in slow motion. It's a very antiquated mechanic, really. We ought to be able to just have sticky physics with ladders that just allow us to run up to them and start climbing.

But... these are some issues that would likely require a client update, and thus aren't likely to be implemented any time soon. I'd really just be happy to get a not-so-crappy reticule. Lol

I am not even sure they venture into Tac AR or SCR at all.