I miss you guys (snipers). The good o'l days of "Manus Peak".

Ratati, can I haz more Thales? Hard to do point defense against proto sentinels and proto logistics with an ishukone with 2 damage mods and prof 3.
Ps. Don't tell me to use the charge, because I hate it.

Snipers should be last thing to be buffed......the red line makes them op

Sadly, I agree.

I don't hate snipers or their rifles...but i do hate the redline and the people sit inside of it. Low risk, high reward.

Sniper love?...

...So really, fix the small things (render/reticule/whatever). Then, if that isn't enough, a longer look (that includes the redline) may be in order. So yeah. I'm down for some small sniper love.

How to fix snipers: Increase their headshot damage multiplier the closer they get.

Keep the current multiplier the same for the super long shot, it will be the base. Then, coming in from 600 meters add +50% headshot damage modifier at 300 meters, add another +50% (for a total of +100%) at 200 meters, then add another 50% at 150 meters (for a total of an additional +150%), and add another 50% at 100 meters (+200% head shot multiplier), and a final +50% at 50 meters or closer for a grand final bonus of 250% bonus on top of the current head shot bonus.

600 Meters: Current Headshot Bonus
300 Meters: Current Headshot bonus + 50%
200 Meters: Current Headshot bonus + 100%
150 Meters: Current Headshot Bonus + 150%
100 Meters: Current Headshot Bonus + 200%
50 Meters: Current Headshot Bonus + 250%

This rewards snipers for getting out of the redline and encourages them to get into the action! As the risk increases, their reward increases, and overall fun increases.

'Fix the redline' is the entirety of the conversation about snipers. How can you possibly 'balance' a role without addressing the fact that the role is immune to receiving damage from players in any other role?

No. Nope. Nah. Negative.

ADS - personally I think they're unbalanced but they do actually take significant damage from large rails, forges, even swarms now the resistance bug is fixed.
Tanks - take significant damage from all of the above plus JLAVs, plasma cannons, AV grenades, remote explosives, proxies.
Forgers - guess you mean tower forgers, who take damage from snipers, dropships, infantry dropped by dropships, and OBs (their location is much easier to work out than snipers' as they are much shorter ranged than snipers [they have no scope] and fire massive bolts of lightning).
Drive by heavies - vulnerable to everything tanks are vulnerable to.
Only redline snipers take literally no damage unless a red in the same role is involved.

1. The mid-tier sniper rifles are essentially useless. They need something. Better zoom maybe.

2. The actual zoomed-in sniper reticule is far too busy. Give me a simple cross hair. The thread crosshair I tape on my TV screen is a pain in the ass. My cat keeps pulling it off.

3. Having to fit a ck.0 commando suit with 3 complex damage mods and a charge sniper rifle just to bring a proto heavy to half armor is a bit silly.

4. All headshots with a sniper rifle should be automatic kills on any suit. Period.

5. Having to use a dropship to get a good sniping location is silly. The lack of sniper locations in the middle of maps (aside from buildings) is a pain. But if the devs want me to stay out of the middle of maps, I will.

6. Give me a hip fire reticule.


All of the above things are giving snipers incentive to sit behind the redline. Make snipers more effective at medium range and they'll come in closer.

I remember the days when you could hip fire a charge rifle and it would go in one solid direction... NO HIP FIRE RETICLE!!!

I ran the numbers, a fully tanked sentinal dies to one shot head shot only with thales @ 50 meters. I feel that risking the thales at 50 meters is definitely worth the 1 head shot kill reward. Body damage is the same! (Damage modded pro commando, prof V sniper rifle)

#6- Chuck Norris is also allowed to fire from the hip....
#6C- Arnold too....

Again, they won't, because so many would just take the easy way out. Give them the buffs, by all means, but the redline needs to be pushed back 200m, so that all of the incredible positions are not protected by the redline.

I have snipers maxed out and I do not want them changed. This fixes the redline sniper abuse.

The fact that hardly anyone redline snipes now. Honestly I wanted the redline removed but this will do. Go back to hiding in your redline.

Fine, fine. They're supposed to have customizations so you can change the scopes etc.. I'm assuming they'd have the same option for the reticule but they have yet to confirm the date for customizations. This was a while ago, maybe a year?

Good 'ol Ahnold. No longer the governor of anything except himself.

Plus, he owns a tank. The one he used to pilot back in his time in the Austrian military. I don't see Chuck Norris doing anything cool now that he's old. Old age Arnie > old age Chuck (e cheese) Norris.

Uh... Anyway... Snipers? Uh, yeah, maps need some of those stupid roof walls removed that prevent sniping and heavies from being able to get off the building. Plus, more ladders. Verticality is good for not just snipers, but good for creating interesting, non-one dimensional fights.

+1 for your name...
+100 for Chesty Puller
+100 for Semper Fi
+100 for Sniper Love

stop by if you see me in the Redline area...I'll be cooking MRE's and shootin' redberries......

I didn't see anything concrete here, increase headshot multiplier, range, make other snipers than Thale's powerful, increase scope zoom....

Anecdotally I haven't been killed by a sniper in ages, get picked off once in a blue moon if I am careless and in open under half hp. I need to look at the numbers, but sniper use is very stable, none of the rifles or new weapons have had a meaningful impact on the use of sniper rifles, so it's a steady group of people who like to snipe apparantly, I am not even sure they venture into Tac AR or SCR at all.

Feel free to share, we have no specific hate/love with snipers, they should have a viable place on the battlefield like all of our weapons.

def needs this, aiming randomly hoping to hit something when defending myself is just silly

Increase the headshot damage multiplier of all regular sniper variants until all suits are killed in 1 headshot shot, but the toughest heavies take 2 headshots to die from a regular sniper variant (tactical variants of snipers should take 3 head shots to kill a heavy).

A headshot to a heavy with 1500 total hp should take roughly 950 hp from an advanced regular sniper (without damage mods). Roughly 800 hp from a standard regular sniper.

Charge snipers should take 2 headshots to kill a heavy as well. 1 headshot should be roughly 1100 damage without damage mods.

Add a small charge time to the thale sniper rifle.

Enemy tagging would be brilliant.

[quote=Jathniel]

There are no snipers in current pc matces. That is what the metrics will show.

I beg you with all that I have to not touch the sniper rifles. They can already one shot scouts when shot in the foot! They drop many a heavy suit with that Thale. They are in a perfectly fine spot.

We don't need any other OP weapon with a one shot kill that can sit in an area that is completely unreachable or can cover an objective without any way to stop it.

You should focus on reducing the complete open areas in the game. I once read DUST is supposed to be a tactical shooter yet I can hardly find cover on most maps to hide behind. When I duck I get head shot because my body doesn't fully go into cover, which takes away from the tactical part.

You're probably asking why I'm bringing this up in a sniper thread, it's because snipers can shoot inside objectives they can shoot just about anywhere. Sometimes in battle I just want to hide behind something for a moment to regenerate, to drop a strike, to.. do something that requires me to not be moving constantly and we don't have that in DUST at the moment. Snipers can attack every single area of a map (other than 2 maps with an inside objective).

Anyway, my thoughts.

Reduce range, increase headshot multiplier, increase damage on some (not thales), make other variants than charged/thales useful, new reticule (don't know how easy that will be).

Reward good snipers that get consistent headshots
Bring snipers out of the redline
Increase their effective dps so they may be PC viable

I also liked the idea of fewer shots in the clip and faster reload to come with the higher damage profile.

I like this. I think part of the reason we don't have the 'overwatch' sniper role anymore is due to scanners, but I always thought it was cool to have a good sniper on your team providing intel for the rest of the squad. Promotes team play, gives snipers an additional valuable role in the squad, instead of just lone wolfs looking for kills.

reduce range? snipers work from a distance. if anything snipers need longer range, but I suppose that you think a good range would be 300m rather than the current 600m.

fewer shots per clip? right now the protos only have 5 shots or 3 shots per clip.

Have you even equipped a sniper rifle?

when it can take 7 shots to kill a heavy (if he will stay still that long) reducing the clip size is possibly the stupidest thing I've seen coming out of a DEV

removing snipers from the redline? this is a game mechanic that has no place in a discussion on snipers....every player takes advantage of the redline from, spawning forge gunners to lav gunners to tankers to ADS.

But If you want snipers out of the redline then give me a sniper rifle that will allow me to snipe into the redline from anywhere on the map and a scope that will resolve a player anywhere on the map. make the redline more unsafe.

Most of the "snipers" inputting feedback here are not snipers but sniper haters (anyone who asks for a clip reduction or range reduction is not a sniper).

I would suggest that you create a sniper and actually play the role (walk a few 100k in a sniper's boots) before you come down from your perch and pronounce how you know how to make sniper weapons better. Hell I'll even let you cheat and create a character and just give them the skill points...

Id like to see a sniper ever be useful. Most worthless class here. I dont even let snipers stay in my squad. And its all because you have that redline to hide in. Thales is a ohk on many suits, combine that with position in the redline that makes them unkillable, if not unfindable, and too much of a buff will make them a huge pain in the pleasure of this game.

I'm sorry you feel your class is underserved but we definitely do not need snipers too powerful in this game. Snipers have the potentional to ruin a shooter, simply because of their popularity they restrict movement, make people less inclined to run around. And at its worst it becomes MW3 and BO2, I liked COD before quick scoping and no scoping became the fit of the game.

Almost forgot, just some FYI for you snipers. Almost all of you talk too damn much, you people talk and give intel about every damn thing moving on the field the whole game. Your blocking out my music, and killimg my high. Ya we get it dudes are coming, pushing Alpha. Ok now stfu for 5 seconds and get a damn kill. Just chill, you dont have to tell us every thing.

NO!!! Pro and Thale snipers are already one hit kill on most suits so no more improvements if they want to tweak it it should be a nerf TxT

scouts..


scouts are most suits now, but other suits do exist.

that said i've known brick tanked scouts that can easily survive thale shots.

even as a lone wolf I used to be an intel spewer until they took team comms away.

@ Irish Webster +1 from me.

"duck because I see you "

classic..

+10 for the enjoying being a useful sniper post

+100 for trying to keep the vantage point alive

+1000 for the shared joy in the hunt.

cold and clinical precision, a good description

as for a sniper thread with a dev & cpm on here...

Priceless.

if it works out you may have earned immunity from my rifle

Now I can peal off my no scope sticker decal.

http://www.amazon.com/BGR-Mods-No-Scope-Decal/dp/B003F1M3Q0