you guys clearly don't understand what in the hell a tweak is lol

As announced, we want to tweak all aspects of shield tanking so it becomes viable.

I don't foresee any boosting of Extender hp, but their progression is up for discussion. However, we really want regulators and rechargers to be competitive choices to Armor.

Most anything is on the table, PG/CPU, recharge delay, depleted recharge delay, recharge rates etc. Even CPU upgrades to get more CPU for those hard to fit regulators.

Your proposals must be tweaks, nothing game altering and have to be focused on fixing shield tanking, without making hybrid tanking an even better choice.

yea but the caldari sentinel lacks mobility. so its balanced.

And the Caldari Scout lacks HP O.o; what's your premise lol

Mobility isn't the only way to balance things out.

We are tweaking values, are we not?

Those numbers for the Caldari Assault would not be achievable without a ridiculous buff to shield extenders. Not to mention that shield recharger practically require one low for a CPU upgrade.

A more reasonable Caldari Assault would look like.

470 shield / 48hp/s with a 1.75 delay

This assumes that complex regulator gets buffed to 40% and extenders and recharger at pro remains the same.

Does that balance with the gallente assault? Hmm ideally heavy regen shields repair twice as fast as heavy regen armor. So for your gallente it would be around 20 seconds (20 hp/s * 20s = 400 hp). For that Caldari Assault it would be 11.75 seconds.

This seems OK to me once you factor in the shield as a buffer on armor tankers and the ability for damage mods in high slots.

It doesn't to me considering shield tankers have an armor buffer to save their asses, where as armor tankers don't have a clear time to GTFO since we are fighting with our last line of defense.
One of the many reasons people don't hull tank in EVE.

We're talking about a Gallente suit here bud, we are supposed to repair the **** out of our armor

In addition, damage mods are bad, shield extenders give much better results...
So...
We are practically forced to dual tank because there are no worthwhile utility modules.

And lastly, that CPU extender doesn't just help you shield tank.
All my Caldari fits have proto light weapons, sidearms, grenades, equipment, all because I have a **** ton of CPU left over.
My Gallente fits are lucky to have a proto light weapon.

It doesn't to me considering shield tankers have an armor buffer to save their asses, where as armor tankers don't have a clear time to GTFO since we are fighting with our last line of defense.
One of the many reasons people don't hull tank in EVE.

We're talking about a Gallente suit here bud, we are supposed to repair the **** out of our armor

In addition, damage mods are bad, shield extenders give much better results...
So...
We are practically forced to dual tank because there are no worthwhile utility modules.

And lastly, that CPU extender doesn't just help you shield tank.
All my Caldari fits have proto light weapons, sidearms, grenades, equipment, all because I have a **** ton of CPU left over.
My Gallente fits are lucky to have a proto light weapon.

perhaps new damage mods that work only against shields or armor but with a higher damage bonus? especially since thats what they did already to the proficiency skills

and this is all kinda off track, but what the melee damage mod included a bonus to movement speed? to offset the penalties from armor plates

complex regulators with 40% to shield delay but 25% to depleted shield delay? honestly, why would you be letting your shields go to zero in the first place unless youre armor tanking?

As announced, we want to tweak all aspects of shield tanking so it becomes viable.

I don't foresee any boosting of Extender hp, but their progression is up for discussion. However, we really want regulators and rechargers to be competitive choices to Armor.

Most anything is on the table, PG/CPU, recharge delay, depleted recharge delay, recharge rates etc. Even CPU upgrades to get more CPU for those hard to fit regulators.

Your proposals must be tweaks, nothing game altering and have to be focused on fixing shield tanking, without making hybrid tanking an even better choice.

It doesn't to me considering shield tankers have an armor buffer to save their asses, where as armor tankers don't have a clear time to GTFO since we are fighting with our last line of defense.
One of the many reasons people don't hull tank in EVE.

We're talking about a Gallente suit here bud, we are supposed to repair the **** out of our armor

In addition, damage mods are bad, shield extenders give much better results...
So...
We are practically forced to dual tank because there are no worthwhile utility modules.

And lastly, that CPU extender doesn't just help you shield tank.
All my Caldari fits have proto light weapons, sidearms, grenades, equipment, all because I have a **** ton of CPU left over.
My Gallente fits are lucky to have a proto light weapon.

I fit a gallente on protofits with 500 armor and 200 shields with armor rep of 20 HP/s, two proto precision enhancers, proto weapon, advanced sidearm, and advanced nanohive.
Please keep in mind how tough shield extenders are on PG. In our little comparison the gallente has 100 more HP and the Caldari has zero armor rep. I really think you are over estimating the cal assault in this case. If it's a long range encounter cal assault has advantage but if you met head to head, within the AR range the Caldari is done for. Furthermore armor is always repping, if your engagement lasts just 5 seconds (reasonable for two good players 1v1) then your 100 HP original advantage all the sudden becomes 200 HP advantage.

Edit : Oh and in a real fight, the gallente still holds and advantage to brawl with multiple enemies. Shield tankers get screwed really fast if they get caught with their pants down and can't break fire. Trust me it happens all the time.

I mostly agree with KAGEHOSHI's plan, but here's what I would like.

[Shield extenders] HP & depleted penalty
STD:22 HP & 0%
ADV:44 HP & 4%
PRO:66 HP & 8%
The progression between tiers is 22 HP with a 4% penalty and standard extenders would find more use as cheap shield HP without penalties.

[Shield regulators] Decrease in shield recharge delays.
STD15%
ADV25%
PRO35% terrible and still underpowered
Worth the fitting costs and not too strong.

[Shield rechargers] Increase in recharge rate.
STD15%
ADV30%
PRO45% fine
Consistent 15% increase between tiers.

[Shield energizers] Increase in recharge rate.
STD25%
ADV45%
PRO65% change to 75% and we're good
Consistent 20% increase in shield recharge rate and penalty 2% increase between tiers.

Here's a table for my shield regulator values (will have spreadsheets in a few days):
Effects on Caldari assault to check usefulness (Shield regulation lv5)
Recharge delays
Default = 5s
Regulators used__1______2______3
STD___________4.18s___3.56s___3.22s
ADV___________3.63s___2.73s___2.30s
PRO___________3.08s___2.01s___1.57s

Depleted recharge delays
Default = 6s
Regulators used__1______2______3
STD___________5.01s___4.27s___3.87s
ADV___________4.35s___3.28s___2.76s
PRO___________3.69s___2.42s___1.89s

you guys clearly don't understand what in the hell a tweak is lol

We have a poor amount of cover available in most engagements. While away from cover we pretty much sustain constant fire which give our shield no time to even start healing. This coupled with the fact that you have alot less hp than the armor tankers makes us insta dead in seconds. Also even if we are lucky enough to get to cover... with the long wait to start recharging our shields the armor tankers always close the gap to finish us off while regenerating thier armor at the same time. I can see the model of the Caldari Sentinel being used more widely in Dust for shield tankers. But for it to work shield tankers a higher base to start from. But even then my Proto Caldari Sentinel dies far too quickly unless I am far away with cover and especially against other heavies.

Shield extenders need lower cpu/PG and enhanced need to be up to 44.
( I personally think that shield extenders need a slight hp increase since a basic plate has a ton more then a complex extender).
Regulators are fine except complex needs to be brought up to 40 or 50 and with this change base enhanced off of the complex. Also lower the cpu/pg.

I'm very worried about lowering the fitting requirements, especially the powergrid on extenders. In fact, I'd argue the opposite instead. Granted, there's a lot of base fitting pools on the suits themselves that are still in need of adjustment (so I'm sure someone will point out how this breaks one fit or another) but I really think its about time we build more of a fitting bottleneck into both extenders and plates, as this is really the root cause of dualtanking.

People brick because they can. Without making the system excessively complex with more penalties on all sorts of modules, one of the few ways we can really end bricktanking is by creating a bottleneck.

Now especially since extenders are one of the few modules that takes up any powergrid at all, and they're the culprit when we're investigating extreme buffers, to me it makes the most sense to make their powergrid the value that competes directly with plating your suit as well. I'm sure I'll be crucified for suggesting this, but I really think that one of the best things we can do in revising tanking is to use the power of the fitting allowance to force more of a choice when deciding what approach to take when creating a fit.

Another possible tweak would be to have weapons' specialisation mean something.

As all weapons currently stand,they all annihilate shields and armor.

Make RRs 50%-60% vs shields and 93% armor (before specialisation).
And make shotguns do 110% vs shield but 65% vs armor,scouts equipped with shotguns would then have to carry a weapon to compensate for its weakness instead of having a "i kill all in 3 shots" button.

And do similar for all other weapons.

This way shields can be competitive vs some weapons but weak vs others.
And the same for armor.

It would also mean your weapon choice counts,beyond "derp moar damage".

As announced, we want to tweak all aspects of shield tanking so it becomes viable.

I don't foresee any boosting of Extender hp, but their progression is up for discussion. However, we really want regulators and rechargers to be competitive choices to Armor.

Most anything is on the table, PG/CPU, recharge delay, depleted recharge delay, recharge rates etc. Even CPU upgrades to get more CPU for those hard to fit regulators.

Your proposals must be tweaks, nothing game altering and have to be focused on fixing shield tanking, without making hybrid tanking an even better choice.

How about a shield hive that acts like a Recharge mod like in a suit so when a shielded player that has damage goes over it ,his base valves of shield recharge are jack up higher like a additional slot mod. Once activated will self destruct in x amount of time.
This could be the shield rep nanohive

You could shield tank with no rechargers standing in these like a armor plate tank with no reps in a armor rep nanohive.