CPU upgrades already give insane amounts of CPU, there really is no need to buff them.

Here are the numbers I would propose:

Extenders:
HP | Penalty
Proto: 66 / 14%
ADV: 44 / 10%
STD: 33 / 6%

I increased the penalties to make regulators much more attractive.
If the delays are low in the first place, nothing you will do can make people use them.

Make sure that both shield extenders and armor plates are PG hungry, so that fitting both would be difficult at best.


Regulators:
Proto: 40%
ADV: 30%
STD: 20%

Current numbers are just too low to be worth it.
Combined with the increased penalty, I believe regulator use will increase dramatically.


Rechargers and Energizers:
I would keep the numbers the same, MAYBE reduce CPU and increase PG slightly.
Also, you should look at the penalty on energizers, as it only applies to the base HP of shields, so for everything except heavies it's a much better deal than rechargers.

TL:DR

buff basic and enhanced shield regulators to 20% and 25% respectively , and maybe complex to 30%.

OR

keep them as is and lower their cpu costs

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here's a current shield tank build for a caldari assault ck.0 dropsuit.

2 complex shields extenders

1 complex shield energizer

1 complex shield recharger

2 complex shield regulators

1 complex cpu upgrade

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heres the shield stats from that:

392 shield hp (~400 shield hp)

71.98 hp/s shield recharge (this is way over 60 hp/s yay! \o/)

2.76 seconds shield delay (under 3 seconds. good)

5.3 seconds depleted shield delay (dont care about this number at all)

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you can swap the shield energizer for a shield recharger and 408 shield hp and 63.17 shield hp/s recharge if you REALLY think the extra 16 hp will save you lol.

you want your delay under 3 seconds as the current target, but honestly you want it as close to zero as you can without gimping shield hp and recharge. 2.76 seconds is the best you can do without dropping the cpu upgrade for a third regulator (which would give you 2.33 seconds shield delay) the problem is that without that cpu upgrade you cant run the shield rechargers, so you have to downgrade to whatever will fit

here's an example full fit:


2 complex shields extenders

1 complex shield recharger

1 enhanced shield recharger

3 complex shield regulators

1 standard level rifle

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you end up using 383/394 cpu and 33/79 pg. downgrading to an enhanced shield recharger brings you to 55.61 shield hp/s and gives a 2.33 seconds shield delay. not really worth it IMO because you can only use a standard weapon with no equipment or grenades.

so... is shield tanking really as broken as everyone thinks, or do people just need to be educated on shield tanking? if you buff complex shield regulators to 40% youll get a shield delay of 1.3 seconds and a depleted shield delay of 4.26 seconds when using 3 complex shield regulators. thats beyond broken lmao

buffing complex shield regulators to 30% would get you 1.94 seconds shield delay and a depleted shield delay of 4.84 seconds. thats the most extreme case scenario you could get using 3 complex shield regulators (its crazier on caldari logis which have 4 lows lol)

idealy, most fits would only use two complex shield regulators (2.39 shield delay and 5.01 depleted shield delay). buffing complex shield regulators to 30% would be like running 3 complex shield regulators today. its a big buff but only if you know how to use it.

if you buff complex regulators to 40% youll get a 1.3 second shield delay when using 3 of them

ive seen you guys talking about 75% and higher in some cases


we cant buff regulators anymore unless we decide that shield delays of less than a second is ok. and that point we could just make the bonus 100% to shield delay and the bonus to depleted shield delay 20%, 25%, 30%

then jack the penalty on extenders even higher (5%, 10%, 15%)

I genuinely don't see a problem with these sort of fits for a few reasons. Shields are all about having fast recovery, less down-time at the expense of having less HP. I genuinely don't have a problem with someone having a two second shield recharge delay if it takes less than a second of continuous fire to put them down in the first place.

That being said, we already have fits in-game that are more than capable of doing stuff along these lines. Take, for instance, the Caldari Sentinel:

-x2 Complex Shield Extenders
-x2 Complex Shield Energizers
-Complex Shield Regulator
-M1 Locus Grenade
-Boundless HMG
- Kaalakiota MAGsec SMG.

725 shields, 487 armor. 81 HP/sec recharge rate with a depleted delay of only 0.83 seconds.

If you min-max the absolute hell out of it with nothing but energizers you can even get some pretty insane recovery rates as high as 135 HP/sec with an even lower depleted delay of 0.73 seconds.

The thing you have to consider though is that Shield Extenders don't really provide that much HP to begin with, so they're not exactly amazing on anything other than Scouts. A Sentinel/Commando won't need the HP as much so it's probably better off using Rechargers/Energizers since they're far cheaper on the fitting costs. Doing so nets some pretty interesting results if you know when to break off the engagement and take cover for a few seconds. We're talking <5 seconds to completely recover your shields with a Caldari Sentinel.

This is, of course, assuming you don't die in the firefight to begin with, which a lot of players have a problem with because they don't know when to just break off and come back later when they've recovered.

so why not dump the delay completely? keep the depleted delay though so that basically your only vulnerble if you completely lose your shields. which isnt hard to do with flux grenades and scrambler rifles

It's been considered but let's just take things one step at a time, yeah..? To reason to jump straight to over-powered if we can help it..

Dude, your EVE fanatism is getting obnoxious.

This is a hotfix of an FPS game. It shouldn't be like EVE in the first place, due to its infantry combat, and it can't be, anyway, because the devs can't make major changes anymore.
There is a point to be made about making vehicles more like EVE, but not for infantry. The engagement times are way too ridiculously short to make that a sane choice.

Personally i see no problems with a Caldari Assault reaching 600 shields with a 1.6 second delay with a rate of 50, or a HP of 400 with a delay of 1.6 and a rate of 116, OR 600/300 HPs, with a delay of 8 or 10, with a rate of 50.

FYI:
Almost every type of tanking is completely broken
The only ways tanking work are Armor buffer tanking and the Minmatar Logi+Focused Rep tool (the one with 100+ HP/sec) and Gal Sentinel combo. This reduces most incoming damage to a tankable level but still most of the time you win because you have a large enough buffer as your tank breaks when a second guy comes in.

Passive Shield tanking: Does not work because we have a delay (why?)
Active shield/armor tanking: No active mods
Shield buffer tanking: Does not work because of low HP increase (tbh it-¦s not very effective in EVE likewise)
Speed tanking: Barely works on scouts (damage should be reduced with higher speeds)
Signature tanking: Nope because of signature is not involved when calculating damage

Another thing is that the DPSs of all weapons exceed any tanking ability. Let-¦s take your proposed rifle changes:
Even the weapon with the lowest DPS has 361 (RR) which is with a fully skilled Gal Sentinel 306 DPS. Assume every second shot hits he still does 153 DPS. A Minmatar logi can repair up to 126 DPS so your tank is still broken. The only way you survive is because you have a lot of hp and thus survive until he has to reload and you have a HMG with a lot of ammo. So you can kill him before he can kill you.

To get to the topic(finally):
As I propose you won-¦t add active mods or shield transporters in near future the best way to improve shield tanking is by improving passive shield tanking.
Remove the shield recharge delay, shields should repair all the time
Shield recharge rates should be like in EVE, fluent
It should take a certain time to fully repair your shields, if you add extenders it still takes the same time -> better recharge rates
The recharge rates should be better the closer you get to an empty shield
The recharge rates would require a bit of tuning of course
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Passive_Shield_Tanking

And most important: Reduce DPS!
DPS should be at a sustainable level so you really can tank at least one enemy or maybe even two-three in a sentinel
A DPS reduction by 75% for example would be fine. Damage dealing classes like Assaults should get a decent DPS bonus then so they would be able to break a tank quite easy. It would also differentiate them from other classes.

well thats my concern. everyone saying buff regs by 75% or more lol the delay would be like what? .5 seconds when you stack them?

thats why im not sure what the goal is here. shield tanking works as INTENDED. the problem is people arent following that and getting frustrated.

just buff the delay on regs by 100% and be done with it already. leave the depleted delay alone. boom brand new game changing shield tanking mechanic lol

I think you should follow what KAGEHOSHI describes here

I have done some calculations on the numbers he provided for regulators and they seem to make sense. If you don't feel like reading it's not necessary, but trust me his numbers make sense from math side of things, assuming rechargers are in a good place (which I think they are).

Math.

So for my experiment here I work with Caldari Assault numbers assuming that they use 3 complex shield extenders (480 shield).

So a basic shield enigizer gives 25% bonus. Normally with the shield HP of 480 it would take 16 seconds to recharge. With a basic enigizer, it's down to 12.8. This represents a percent change of 20%. I believe that a basic regulator should balance with recharger. Therefore, a basic regulator should give 20%.

If you do the same math for complex modules you'll find a percent change of 37.5. So let's round up to 40% for complex regulators.

Enhanced falls right in the middle with 30%.

These numbers also fall in line with theorycrafting for potential viable shield tanked Caldari and minmatar suits.

Also I think everyone agrees with him about shield extender tier progression.

I see a ton of noise about what to do with shields; but a lot of people have done real work on this, opposed to randomly throwing numbers out there, and have arrived at what KAGEHOSHI describes.

Additional concern:
The Caldari scout has unnecessarily and obscenely high shield recharge rate, combined with extremely short shield recharge delays. These have to be reduced, or else my proposed changes will lead to further imbalanced with the Caldari scout.

Dude, your EVE fanatism is getting obnoxious.

This is a hotfix of an FPS game. It shouldn't be like EVE in the first place, due to its infantry combat, and it can't be, anyway, because the devs can't make major changes anymore.
There is a point to be made about making vehicles more like EVE, but not for infantry. The engagement times are way too ridiculously short to make that a sane choice.

That kind of makes the Gallente Assault useless...
That's 200 more shields than I have armor, 40/30~ more HP/s, all for a tiny little 1.6 seconds delay.
Or same HP with 100 less HP/s.

You have to consider speed as a factor, plating without ferroscales is expensive to your speed, if a Cal Assault can achieve similar (or in this case better) results without any speed penalty, that's simply imbalanced.


Here are a few common Gal Assault fits for Hotfix Alpha (Numbers aren't 100% accurate, but very close):
420 armor / 11hp/s / 8.23m/s - Very PG heavy
420 armor / 20hp/s / 7.35m/s - Very PG heavy
510 armor / 11hp/s / 7.35m/s - Medium PG
504 armor / 20hp/s / 6.77m/s - Medium / High PG
410 armor / 30hp/s / 6.9m/s - Very high PG AND CPU


This should give you a ball park of the relationship between armor, repair and speed.