DUST Search - Minmatar assualt faster than Amarr scout.

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

Crimson Cerberes wrote:

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

Minmatar are notorious speed tankers.

Amarr are notorious slow asses who bricktank with armor.

IMHO, all Minmatar dropsuits should be as fast as the Amarr dropsuits of one frame size smaller.

It isn't like AA won't make the speed bonus balanced.

So you think the minmatar heavy should be as fast as the amarr medium?

Well shouldn't that also mean the same then, that amarr suits should have more HP than the larger sized minmatar suits?

I mean fair is fair.

Giving that amount of tank to the amarr dropsuits is just ridiculous. They are already the most significantly tanked dropsuits, though they are also slow.

Minmatar, OTOH, having the same speed as Amarr frames one size smaller really gives them little advantage if any at all due to AA and the fact that they are already squishy enough. Even beyond that, Amarr dropsuits are the slowest so it isn't like the Minmatar dropsuits would really be getting such an overwhelming advantage.

So what, they'll just be quicker to get to action where they'll die just as quickly. Amarr, however, will take forever to get there and forever to die as well.

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Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 242	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:54:00 - [1] - Quote Why?
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3933	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:57:00 - [2] - Quote Because, the codename of the Amarr Scout was..............-------________... Sumo =ƒÿé My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 1013	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:58:00 - [3] - Quote Because Amarr suits are not designed for speed, but durability. Sure, your Minmatar assault can run faster than an Amarr scout, but the Amarr scout keeps on blazing by as the Minmatar Assault stopped to catch a breath five times already. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Jan. 29th
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 108	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:59:00 - [4] - Quote 4 lows vs 2 lows Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1856	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:03:00 - [5] - Quote Because CCP. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.1 Amarr victor!
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 573	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:03:00 - [6] - Quote because Minmatar Assault needs at least one up-side Minmatar Demolitions Specialist Plasma Cannon Pro
Emperor1349 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 9	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:05:00 - [7] - Quote Lmao yeah nerf the min assault speed its so OP. The amarr scout is not even out yet. Crying R.I.P Mag - SVER
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 125	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:08:00 - [8] - Quote Because Amarr are good for cleaning Matari toilets and little else. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 1824	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:11:00 - [9] - Quote I don't care what anyone thinks, its just bullshit that an any assaults suit base speed is faster than any scouts it just defeats the purpose of being a scout and should be change ASAP New born sAMARRi
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3934	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:19:00 - [10] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: because Minmatar Assault needs at least one up-side That suit is @ss though, not gonna lie. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1516	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:36:00 - [11] - Quote Minmatar are notorious speed tankers. Amarr are notorious slow asses who bricktank with armor. IMHO, all Minmatar dropsuits should be as fast as the Amarr dropsuits of one frame size smaller. It isn't like AA won't make the speed bonus balanced. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6393	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:42:00 - [12] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: Because Amarr suits are not designed for speed, but durability. Sure, your Minmatar assault can run faster than an Amarr scout, but the Amarr scout keeps on blazing by as the Minmatar Assault stopped to catch a breath five times already. Not to mention that these are just the base stats, scouts usually invest at least a few points into biotics, specifically kinetic catalyzers, which would improve their base speed and possibly make the Amarr scout a bit faster than a standard Minmatar assault It's a scout, it needs to be faster than assaults. Something something about the Amarr variant of the fastest ship class in EVE is still faster than the Minmatar version of the second fastest ship class in EVE. What is stupid is the Amarr are given this speed penalty because they get more base HP, something scouts don't really care about, and that the difference between base HP is relatively smaller when you compare the Amarr scout to other scouts yet it gets the same amount of speed penalty. DozersMouse XIII wrote: 4 lows vs 2 lows So does the Gallente scout, plus faster plus an inherent 3 armor repair per second. Gallente scout is just better. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1827	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:44:00 - [13] - Quote Because Amarr is slow, that how it works. Because Minmatar is fast that how it works. So the fast suit is slower than the slow suit. As expected. Don't be suprised if the Minmatar heavy is faster than the Amarr Logi Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1101	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:44:00 - [14] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: I don't care what anyone thinks, its just bullshit that an assaults suit base speed is faster than any scouts it just defeats the purpose of being a scout and should be change ASAP If you want a fast scout, run a fast scout suit. If you want a stealthy scout, run a stealthy scout suit. If you want a tanky scout, run a tanky scout suit. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 245	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:44:00 - [15] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Minmatar are notorious speed tankers. Amarr are notorious slow asses who bricktank with armor. IMHO, all Minmatar dropsuits should be as fast as the Amarr dropsuits of one frame size smaller. It isn't like AA won't make the speed bonus balanced. So you think the minmatar heavy should be as fast as the amarr medium? Well shouldn't that also mean the same then, that amarr suits should have more HP than the larger sized minmatar suits? I mean fair is fair.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6395	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:50:00 - [16] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: I don't care what anyone thinks, its just bullshit that an assaults suit base speed is faster than any scouts it just defeats the purpose of being a scout and should be change ASAP If you want a fast scout, run a fast scout suit. If you want a stealthy scout, run a stealthy scout suit. If you want a tanky scout, run a tanky scout suit. Why would you want a tanky scout? That defeats the purpose. Also Gallente is better at tanking than Amarr because they get the natural 3 armor repair per second so don't have to use a low slot for reps and can use that saved spot to easily surpass the measly 30 HP advantage Amarr scouts start out with. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6395	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:52:00 - [17] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Minmatar are notorious speed tankers. Amarr are notorious slow asses who bricktank with armor. IMHO, all Minmatar dropsuits should be as fast as the Amarr dropsuits of one frame size smaller. It isn't like AA won't make the speed bonus balanced. So you think the minmatar heavy should be as fast as the amarr medium? Well shouldn't that also mean the same then, that amarr suits should have more HP than the larger sized minmatar suits? I mean fair is fair. Sounds fair to me. Though it would just be better if they made clearly defined speed ranges for each class that didn't overlap. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Awry Barux Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 446	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:52:00 - [18] - Quote Also, Amarr scout bonus is trash compared to other bonuses. Other suits receive the equivalent of a complex module or more from the suit bonuses, while the Amarr scout gets less than a basic cardiac reg.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 673	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:52:00 - [19] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Minmatar are notorious speed tankers. Amarr are notorious slow asses who bricktank with armor. IMHO, all Minmatar dropsuits should be as fast as the Amarr dropsuits of one frame size smaller. It isn't like AA won't make the speed bonus balanced. So you think the minmatar heavy should be as fast as the amarr medium? Well shouldn't that also mean the same then, that amarr suits should have more HP than the larger sized minmatar suits? I mean fair is fair. I'm fine with that. Amarr scout with 155 armor at lv3 armor upgrades and 190 or so shield? But it thought you didnt like twin tanking... Regardless i don't see it being a problem. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) Selling SP: 10k SP per 100k ISK.
Cyrius Li-Moody 3273	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:53:00 - [20] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Why would you want a tanky scout? That defeats the purpose. Tell that to marauder/appia. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6397	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:54:00 - [21] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Why would you want a tanky scout? That defeats the purpose. Tell that to marauder/appia. See the part of the quote you cut out, "Also Gallente is better at tanking than Amarr because they get the natural 3 armor repair per second so don't have to use a low slot for reps and can use that saved spot to easily surpass the measly 30 HP advantage Amarr scouts start out with." ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 215	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:58:00 - [22] - Quote people who say tha amarr scout are ok are ****** mentally ill ,,,and by the why 85 hp basic armor plate hav 2 % penalty 85/40 = - 0,94 % speed penalty so to me ground speed should be 5,35 ms just 0.10 m faster than min assault and 7,53 ms for sprint. Fatal Absolution bench proficiency lvl 5 why so serious zatara
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1518	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:36:00 - [23] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Minmatar are notorious speed tankers. Amarr are notorious slow asses who bricktank with armor. IMHO, all Minmatar dropsuits should be as fast as the Amarr dropsuits of one frame size smaller. It isn't like AA won't make the speed bonus balanced. So you think the minmatar heavy should be as fast as the amarr medium? Well shouldn't that also mean the same then, that amarr suits should have more HP than the larger sized minmatar suits? I mean fair is fair. Giving that amount of tank to the amarr dropsuits is just ridiculous. They are already the most significantly tanked dropsuits, though they are also slow. Minmatar, OTOH, having the same speed as Amarr frames one size smaller really gives them little advantage if any at all due to AA and the fact that they are already squishy enough. Even beyond that, Amarr dropsuits are the slowest so it isn't like the Minmatar dropsuits would really be getting such an overwhelming advantage. So what, they'll just be quicker to get to action where they'll die just as quickly. Amarr, however, will take forever to get there and forever to die as well. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 247	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:45:00 - [24] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Minmatar are notorious speed tankers. Amarr are notorious slow asses who bricktank with armor. IMHO, all Minmatar dropsuits should be as fast as the Amarr dropsuits of one frame size smaller. It isn't like AA won't make the speed bonus balanced. So you think the minmatar heavy should be as fast as the amarr medium? Well shouldn't that also mean the same then, that amarr suits should have more HP than the larger sized minmatar suits? I mean fair is fair. Giving that amount of tank to the amarr dropsuits is just ridiculous. They are already the most significantly tanked dropsuits, though they are also slow. Minmatar, OTOH, having the same speed as Amarr frames one size smaller really gives them little advantage if any at all due to AA and the fact that they are already squishy enough. Even beyond that, Amarr dropsuits are the slowest so it isn't like the Minmatar dropsuits would really be getting such an overwhelming advantage. So what, they'll just be quicker to get to action where they'll die just as quickly. Amarr, however, will take forever to get there and forever to die as well. Giving that amount of speed to suits that are an ENTIRE class larger than the scouts is wrong too. Thats the point. Oh and LOL at HP advantage... yeah 30 ehp is worth 1 round or less to nearly every weapon in the game(i.e. worth WAY less than being able to run away, towards, find cover, jump, and strafe faster.)
buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 159	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:49:00 - [25] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Also, Amarr scout bonus is trash compared to other bonuses. Other suits receive the equivalent of a complex module or more from the suit bonuses, while the Amarr scout gets less than a basic cardiac reg. yes cuz every1 wants to fit myrofibril stimulants on their scouts or use knova knives with damage mods... some modules are better than other
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1331	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:50:00 - [26] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Minmatar are notorious speed tankers. Amarr are notorious slow asses who bricktank with armor. IMHO, all Minmatar dropsuits should be as fast as the Amarr dropsuits of one frame size smaller. It isn't like AA won't make the speed bonus balanced. By that logic amarr suits should have base HP value equal to the minmatar frame one size bigger. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 412	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:51:00 - [27] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Why? dud its the race they are there GOOD AT RUNNING AWAY !!! Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 248	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:54:00 - [28] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Also, Amarr scout bonus is trash compared to other bonuses. Other suits receive the equivalent of a complex module or more from the suit bonuses, while the Amarr scout gets less than a basic cardiac reg. yes cuz every1 wants to fit myrofibril stimulants on their scouts or use knova knives with damage mods... some modules are better than other Not everyone wants to have a precision enhancer either, or a scanner booster, or whatever.... the suits are all a good bit different and that is good. The point being, every other scout gets AT LEAST 1 complex module for free through bonuses (like the complex code breaker for the minmatar) plus additional bonuses(like 3 complex dmg mods for nova knives and an additional basic code breaker for minmatar)... amarr get 2/3rds of 1 basic module for free from bonus and that is it.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 398	Posted - 2014.02.05 00:17:00 - [29] - Quote +1 There is a reason why in eve frigates are WAY faster than cruisers. They are lightly armored/shielded and would not stand a chance in a 1 on 1 fight with thier heavier bretherin. Also just because speed tanking/AA balance is not perfect now, doesn't mean that you design suits around broken mechanics. Also, I would be all for a suit like the vagabond (kind of a frigate hunter/killer) but that suit will need to use it's suit bonuses to get that fast, like the vagabond. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 432	Posted - 2014.02.05 00:40:00 - [30] - Quote Have stats/changes for the Assault in 1.8 been confirmed yet, or are you comparing the proposed stats for the scout against the current stats of the Assault?



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