The minmitar should be able to speed tank, thats it. Gallente can have more ehp and better bonuses, but i want to be an anarchist, and i really cant if i get mowed down by rail rifles in less than half a second. I agree that the nova knife and hacking bonus have their place, but thats only in a skirmish or sometimes dom, and for nova knives if your target is under 2 meters away, facing away from you, or coming out from behind a wall low lag, not doing the constant moving in a circle thing, not sprinting, not jumping, and you have luck on your side, and your target has less than 500 EHP

Scouts already have insane endurance. the amarr suit will compound this and leave room for other mods. don't sell it short.

Maybe wait until the suit is released before trying to change currently existing suits?

Anyway, this is pretty ridiculous to say. Consider the advantages of the minmatar assault (M) vs. the amarr scout (A)GǪ


M > A:
EHP by 35
Slots by 1
Speed by 0.05 m/s
CPU by 10
Melee by 30
Armor repair rate 1hp/s

A > M:
Equipment by 1
Shield rechange by 12 hp/s
S.R. Delay by 2 seconds
D.S.R. Delay by 4 seconds
Scan Range by 10m
Scan Profile by 15
Scan Precision by 10
Stamina by 50
Stamina Recovery by 20

I've chosen not to include role bonuses for simplicity, as I was pretty sure my point was made already by the above comparison.

Take note that not only are the M advantages less important/practical (melee, 1hp/s, speed, etc.), they are also extremely small improvements from the amarr suit. If you take a look at some of the A advantages, I'd argue that just about all of these are more important and I wouldn't trade any of them for anything in the M > A column. They are also clearly much higher increases (sometimes even doubled that of the minmatar suit).

This being said, I don't see how someone in their right mind would be upset over a 0.05 m/s speed advantage given to the minmatar assault considering the massive advantages given to the amarr scout.

I'll give it to Toby Flenderson.

If this was a world without AA and Good strafing mechanics, the Amarr scout with his miserable STAMINA bonus could be good.

BUt as it is, having 30 more stamina than other scouts wont make the slightest of differences.

Its just ,again, a stupid bonus since it wont help you do ANYTHING , except when a match startes to run and take objectives... (and calling a LAV would still be smarter...)

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On the other side of the coin, i dont know why Toby Flenderson is SO AGAINST amarrs being happy with their scout suit,which we have waited for months....

Actually no, no matter how many green bottles your have you can only jump 3 times one right after another. But if your talking about waiting a few seconds after each jump then yes you can virtually jump ALOT.

I admitted to misreading the spreadsheet so yeah I made an error in the hp comparison. +1 for catching this without insisting I was trying to intentionally mislead the other readers.

The comparison is not dishonest, but maybe irrelevant if you insist on calling it something "bad". I think I've addressed that light suits being faster than assaults shouldn't be a ridiculously strict rule in drop suit design especially when comparing the fastest medium and slowest light suits and only getting a 0.05m/s difference. Again, my solution is just trade the speeds and we can move on.

You can jump until you run out of stamina and have it all back in 6 seconds to do what you will with it if you have the complex regulator. No other suit can say the same. I'm not saying that you need to jump constantly with this suit, I'm saying that you will be free to outmaneuver other suits without having to worry about if you have enough stamina to escape.

I don't see how i'm being disingenuous (had to look it up, but I still disagree) with the comparison considering everyone was basing their original opinions on the whole "it's equivalent to a basic module blah blah blah" standard. This does not reveal much about the true increase in advantage the bonus gives to one scout over another, while the percentage increase literally does exactly that.

To your point A: Yeah adding modules typically does overtake gaps for most suits/skills. There's nothing special about the Amarr or the Gallente in this respect.

B: May be true that most people would rather have dampening but if it means that much to you to always be invisible then you shouldn't be using the Amarr scout or you should be using a good cloak strategically. Just because people would rather have the bonus of one suit over another doesn't make one better than the other, it just means more people would prefer their own suit.

People make claims that the minmatar assault was UP compared to the rest of the assaults but I completely disagree because I run the SMG mostly and the clip bonus is gold. The ratio of Caldari Assaults to Minmatar Assaults should demonstrate that people consider more health (or reload speed back when it had that) more useful than sidearm clip size. This doesn't mean the bonus should be changed because it's bad, it just means more people care more about reload speed or shield tanking (no surprise).

This is why I went with a percentage increase. Completely unbiased by opinions on what is "better" across the board.

The conclusion I got from your analysis (which was extremely interesting, honestly) is that the gallente is far more versatile than the Amarr. I don't typically go into a suit for the versatility but I understand that others do. If I want a hacking suit then I'll go where the hacking bonus is and max it out in any way I can. They could've given it to the callogi and I would've picked that suit because of it and stack modules to make it far superior than other suits. I don't try to replicate other suits, even if it can be done far easier with one than another.

Another point I think that is worth considering is that people always try to compare suits to the Gallente (and now i guess also Caldari) scout in terms of scan profile but it's pointless. If you want to get to that level, just pick that suit. It should be hard to be invisible to scanners and you should have to give up a lot to do so. I think it's cool that CCP created a suit that can have a head start in that direction but to pick another suit, even another scout, and try to get as low as the scout that was meant to avoid every type of scanner is ridiculous and no one should get upset that it is costly.

While this is MHO, I do agree that clearly the gallente suit is more versatile and honestly I thought the armor repair was too much and should be removed.

Again, faster regen = more jumping.

Am I being called a racist here? Haha by praising the suit? Just because it's not going to be super OP/FOTM doesn't mean it has to be buffed until it has potential to be. I was against all scout suit changes. I predict the scout suits will be the new assault suits and it will fill the forums within a week. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I will beGǪ

Haha if ISK is the conversion factor then I suggest you take a look at MLT tanks, PLCs, SLs, Commando suits, Flaylock back in the day, etc.GǪ The point of using percentage increases is that the usefulness of one stat is based on preference and play styles.
Also it fails to consider blueprintsGǪ.

I'm not comparing stamina to dampening, I'm comparing increase in efficiency to increase in efficiency. There is nothing ambiguous about this comparison. The advantage given to the Amarr suit because of it's bonus is X and the advantage given to the Gallente suit because of it's bonus is Y. If X > Y then the Amarr bonus offers a larger advantage TO STAMINA than the Gallente bonus offers to DAMPENING.

In your analogy you are not even including the other population in any calculation while a percentage increase does exactly that, measure the increase in efficiency from one suit to another. I don't know what other calculation you'd expect to do.