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Crimson Cerberes
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Posted - 2014.02.04 20:54:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:44:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Minmatar are notorious speed tankers.
Amarr are notorious slow asses who bricktank with armor.
IMHO, all Minmatar dropsuits should be as fast as the Amarr dropsuits of one frame size smaller.
It isn't like AA won't make the speed bonus balanced.
So you think the minmatar heavy should be as fast as the amarr medium?
Well shouldn't that also mean the same then, that amarr suits should have more HP than the larger sized minmatar suits?
I mean fair is fair. |
Crimson Cerberes
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Posted - 2014.02.04 23:45:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Minmatar are notorious speed tankers.
Amarr are notorious slow asses who bricktank with armor.
IMHO, all Minmatar dropsuits should be as fast as the Amarr dropsuits of one frame size smaller.
It isn't like AA won't make the speed bonus balanced. So you think the minmatar heavy should be as fast as the amarr medium? Well shouldn't that also mean the same then, that amarr suits should have more HP than the larger sized minmatar suits? I mean fair is fair. Giving that amount of tank to the amarr dropsuits is just ridiculous. They are already the most significantly tanked dropsuits, though they are also slow. Minmatar, OTOH, having the same speed as Amarr frames one size smaller really gives them little advantage if any at all due to AA and the fact that they are already squishy enough. Even beyond that, Amarr dropsuits are the slowest so it isn't like the Minmatar dropsuits would really be getting such an overwhelming advantage. So what, they'll just be quicker to get to action where they'll die just as quickly. Amarr, however, will take forever to get there and forever to die as well.
Giving that amount of speed to suits that are an ENTIRE class larger than the scouts is wrong too. Thats the point.
Oh and LOL at HP advantage... yeah 30 ehp is worth 1 round or less to nearly every weapon in the game(i.e. worth WAY less than being able to run away, towards, find cover, jump, and strafe faster.) |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2014.02.04 23:54:00 -
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buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Also, Amarr scout bonus is trash compared to other bonuses. Other suits receive the equivalent of a complex module or more from the suit bonuses, while the Amarr scout gets less than a basic cardiac reg. yes cuz every1 wants to fit myrofibril stimulants on their scouts or use knova knives with damage mods... some modules are better than other
Not everyone wants to have a precision enhancer either, or a scanner booster, or whatever.... the suits are all a good bit different and that is good.
The point being, every other scout gets AT LEAST 1 complex module for free through bonuses (like the complex code breaker for the minmatar) plus additional bonuses(like 3 complex dmg mods for nova knives and an additional basic code breaker for minmatar)... amarr get 2/3rds of 1 basic module for free from bonus and that is it. |
Crimson Cerberes
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:24:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Zeylon Rho wrote:The scout should be faster than another race's assault, yes.
People keep talking like the Amarr only make slow things, and that's all they know how to do. The Amarr Interceptors (e.g. - Amarr fast ships) are among the fastest in EVE. Even if they weren't, all the interceptors (every race) are faster than the assault frigates.
This "LOL, Amarr always SLOW, LOL" attitude is asinine. The races have differences, but that doesn't mean when the armor-focused race makes a speed-oriented suit, it's as slow as another's assault. The tanking focus of a race doesn't mean if they train spies they'd toss a suit of platemail on them for the lulz. At the point that you found your fastest suit was slower than an enemy assault, you'd go back to the drawing board. Yes, a scout can possibly have more combat-oriented roles, but to remove the speed edge limits the viable options.
Saying "you can be the tanky scout", is like saying "you can be the thicker construction paper". The movement speed matters more than the stamina when it comes to strafing and up-close encounters, to gimp the race's fastest suit against assaults just means you've removed a large portion of the flexibility the other scouts can choose to have. Saying the Amarr will have some edge in a straight-up brawl ignores the fact that at base, the Minmatar assault will have both more hp AND more speed. Maybe the reason the Minmatar Assault Suit is faster than the Amarr Scout is because Minmatar are fast by design. The amarrain interceptors are fast, by comparison to slow ships, n0but against the Minamtar it's no contest.
Now my information may be just a little out of date, but I thought that the crusader a good bit faster than all but one of the minmatar frigates, and that it compares nicely to it.
In other words, I call B.S. on your statement. Amarr are supposed to be slow for their class. Light suits are supposed to be a good bit faster than medium suits.
Also refute these two points:
1) anything the amarr suit tries to do, the gallente can do better
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2) at base, the minmatar assault suit is both faster and has more HP than the amarr scout. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:41:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Zeylon Rho wrote:The scout should be faster than another race's assault, yes.
People keep talking like the Amarr only make slow things, and that's all they know how to do. The Amarr Interceptors (e.g. - Amarr fast ships) are among the fastest in EVE. Even if they weren't, all the interceptors (every race) are faster than the assault frigates.
This "LOL, Amarr always SLOW, LOL" attitude is asinine. The races have differences, but that doesn't mean when the armor-focused race makes a speed-oriented suit, it's as slow as another's assault. The tanking focus of a race doesn't mean if they train spies they'd toss a suit of platemail on them for the lulz. At the point that you found your fastest suit was slower than an enemy assault, you'd go back to the drawing board. Yes, a scout can possibly have more combat-oriented roles, but to remove the speed edge limits the viable options.
Saying "you can be the tanky scout", is like saying "you can be the thicker construction paper". The movement speed matters more than the stamina when it comes to strafing and up-close encounters, to gimp the race's fastest suit against assaults just means you've removed a large portion of the flexibility the other scouts can choose to have. Saying the Amarr will have some edge in a straight-up brawl ignores the fact that at base, the Minmatar assault will have both more hp AND more speed. Maybe the reason the Minmatar Assault Suit is faster than the Amarr Scout is because Minmatar are fast by design. The amarrain interceptors are fast, by comparison to slow ships, n0but against the Minamtar it's no contest. Now my information may be just a little out of date, but I thought that the crusader a good bit faster than all but one of the minmatar frigates, and that it compares nicely to it. In other words, I call B.S. on your statement. Amarr are supposed to be slow for their class. Light suits are supposed to be a good bit faster than medium suits. Also refute these two points: 1) anything the amarr suit tries to do, the gallente can do better and 2) at base, the minmatar assault suit is both faster and has more HP than the amarr scout. Dude you would call b*ll on anything, there is nothing wrong with the Amarr Suit, it has more health and is slower than it's comparable suits, just like all of them. The reason the scout ends up slower than the Minie is because the difference in speed between scout and assault as classes is neligible, you said it your self while the Amarr interceptor is by no means a slow ship its still slower than its contenders. Instead of Complaining that the suit YOU want to use is bust, use it as evidence that scouts in general are too slow. Besides Im liking the look of the speed on the Minnie Heavy, I bet with a Complex Kincat it sprinting faster than your amarr
No you mis-read. Let me rephrase, in eve there is only ONE racial frigate that is faster than the crusader (amarr's fastest frigate) and that is the Claw. i.e, it is not slower than it's contenders. Amarr frigates are as a group the second fastest in-game after matari.
Yes, light suits as a group need to have a much larger gap in speed compared to mediums, but at the VERY LEAST, the amarr light suits need to be faster than ANY MEDIUM SUIT.
Also, I have no issues with the matari heavy suits, at base they are not faster than any amarr medium suit.
So, CCP have stated that they think making scouts any faster than they are now is game-breaking. This means that CCP would have to reduce the speed of the medium drop suits as a whole. Sounds like alot of work. All I am asking for is a bit more base speed for the amarr scout (like 0.1 m/sec faster, which would only make it 0.05 m/sec faster than the matari assault) |
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