DUST Search - Minmatar assualt faster than Amarr scout.

Toby Flenderson wrote:

Zeylon Rho wrote:

Toby Flenderson wrote:

M > A:
EHP by 35
Slots by 1
Speed by 0.05 m/s
CPU by 10
Melee by 30
Armor repair rate 1hp/s

A > M:
Equipment by 1
Shield rechange by 12 hp/s
S.R. Delay by 2 seconds
D.S.R. Delay by 4 seconds
Scan Range by 10m
Scan Profile by 15
Scan Precision by 10
Stamina by 50
Stamina Recovery by 20

This being said, I don't see how someone in their right mind would be upset over a 0.05 m/s speed advantage given to the minmatar assault considering the massive advantages given to the amarr scout.

Three of the listed Amarr "advantages" over the Minmatar are shield related:
Shield rechange by 12 hp/s
S.R. Delay by 2 seconds
D.S.R. Delay by 4 seconds

The Amarr Scout has the lowest base shields in the entire game, of any suit, and role, anywhere. Period. At Proto, it has 2 high slots with which to boost that. The Amarr is not going to get much mileage out that "bonus" against the Minmatar suit.

The HP difference you refer to as "small" is also larger than the hp bonus the Amarr enjoys over the next highest ehp scouts. So, the extent to which it is meaningless, is only as meaningless as the advantage the Amarr enjoys over the Gallente or Caldari (the former of which has innate armor reps at 3 per second, the latter of which can leverage the scout shield bonuses more). The single slot advantage of the assault allows this difference to be exploited to an even larger degree.

The fact that the speed difference is marginal is flame-bait, but the problem would be just as annoying if their speed was the exact same. The problem is the slowest scout being the at the same speed OR slower than the fastest assault. The lower scout hp typically indicates a need to speed tank or generally be "gone" to evade the slower but more powerful suits. The Amarr lacks any strafing advantage vs. an Minmatar Assault. The fact he can sprint longer (at the same speed) will make a difference... sometimes? But those few extra seconds of sprinting are largely irrelevant in the sense of combat viability, and not marked enough to set it apart in usefulness as a scout.

The most salient bonuses the Amarr scout DOES have are the profile detection-related ones, but those are the same (or BETTER) across all scouts and the Amarr is SOL when it comes to the other scout strengths at dealing with other suits, especially the Minmatar assault which has a speed and hp advantage on him.

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1. 2 Complex shield extenders with passive skills gives the Amarr scout 281.5 shield. As far as getting the mileage out of it, this is what I generally have on my scouts ATM and it's plenty for a great buffer between engagements. The regen rate is nearly twice that of the minmatar assault. The only thing that the minmatar has is amount of shield, which IMO, past 300 doesn't mean nearly as much recharge delay/rate especially when you're talking about 4 extra seconds and nearly half the recharge rate.

2. I'm not talking about other scouts. I'm only comparing the M.A. and A.S. If a a sentinel had 100 more armor than another it wouldn't mean much considering they tend to break 1,000 ehp. This 100 would be a crazy increase for a scout but it doesn't mean anything when comparing sentinels. I would much rather have the natural armor reps from the gallente scout but that doesn't matter either, the point is 35 base ehp is hardly worth bragging about, especially going from a light to a medium assault suit that is meant for frontline action. As far as slots go, low slots are more useful for ehp tanking. I'm not sure on the math but I'd be willing to bet that the amarr scout could tank as much or more health than the minmatar assault.

3. I honestly don't even know what flame-bait means but if you're claiming that it's the principle of the matter (that the speed should be limited from tier to tier) then I'm sure you wouldn't mind the assault getting pushed back to 99% of the Amarr scout's speed. This would abide by this arbitrary restriction and make virtually no difference in playability, hence my point that the speed advantage is worthless. If the HP was significantly lower, then I'd agree with you, but it isn't. The minmatar assault is more like a scout than an assault in terms of speed and health, yet they're not expected to run from other "more powerful" suits. Strafing matters, I agree, but not 0.05 m/s. The stamina allows the scout to continue jumping in a CQ fight against anything and still have time to run and dodge and jump some more. This is why I'm killed the most as a scout: Not able to escape. Current scouts without regulators can jump a couple times and run around a nearby corner if they have full stamina. In those situations, stamina is gold, not necessarily speed.

4. Again I'm not concerned with the other scouts, as this thread is about the comparison between the Amarr scout and the Minmatar assault. If you want to see some interesting math with regards to other scouts, check out my last few posts.


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Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 215	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:58:00 - [1] - Quote people who say tha amarr scout are ok are ****** mentally ill ,,,and by the why 85 hp basic armor plate hav 2 % penalty 85/40 = - 0,94 % speed penalty so to me ground speed should be 5,35 ms just 0.10 m faster than min assault and 7,53 ms for sprint. Fatal Absolution bench proficiency lvl 5 why so serious zatara
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 218	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:50:00 - [2] - Quote amarr have to much armor but very low shield and relied on having repair mod sure u can not put rep mod but alogis bro will never lose its time on you repairing a scout. Fatal Absolution bench proficiency lvl 5 why so serious zatara
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 218	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:52:00 - [3] - Quote amarr scout bonus suck Fatal Absolution bench proficiency lvl 5 why so serious zatara
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 218	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:16:00 - [4] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Zeylon Rho wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: M > A: EHP by 35 Slots by 1 Speed by 0.05 m/s CPU by 10 Melee by 30 Armor repair rate 1hp/s A > M: Equipment by 1 Shield rechange by 12 hp/s S.R. Delay by 2 seconds D.S.R. Delay by 4 seconds Scan Range by 10m Scan Profile by 15 Scan Precision by 10 Stamina by 50 Stamina Recovery by 20 This being said, I don't see how someone in their right mind would be upset over a 0.05 m/s speed advantage given to the minmatar assault considering the massive advantages given to the amarr scout. Three of the listed Amarr "advantages" over the Minmatar are shield related: Shield rechange by 12 hp/s S.R. Delay by 2 seconds D.S.R. Delay by 4 seconds The Amarr Scout has the lowest base shields in the entire game, of any suit, and role, anywhere. Period. At Proto, it has 2 high slots with which to boost that. The Amarr is not going to get much mileage out that "bonus" against the Minmatar suit. The HP difference you refer to as "small" is also larger than the hp bonus the Amarr enjoys over the next highest ehp scouts. So, the extent to which it is meaningless, is only as meaningless as the advantage the Amarr enjoys over the Gallente or Caldari (the former of which has innate armor reps at 3 per second, the latter of which can leverage the scout shield bonuses more). The single slot advantage of the assault allows this difference to be exploited to an even larger degree. The fact that the speed difference is marginal is flame-bait, but the problem would be just as annoying if their speed was the exact same. The problem is the slowest scout being the at the same speed OR slower than the fastest assault. The lower scout hp typically indicates a need to speed tank or generally be "gone" to evade the slower but more powerful suits. The Amarr lacks any strafing advantage vs. an Minmatar Assault. The fact he can sprint longer (at the same speed) will make a difference... sometimes? But those few extra seconds of sprinting are largely irrelevant in the sense of combat viability, and not marked enough to set it apart in usefulness as a scout. The most salient bonuses the Amarr scout DOES have are the profile detection-related ones, but those are the same (or BETTER) across all scouts and the Amarr is SOL when it comes to the other scout strengths at dealing with other suits, especially the Minmatar assault which has a speed and hp advantage on him. ' 1. 2 Complex shield extenders with passive skills gives the Amarr scout 281.5 shield. As far as getting the mileage out of it, this is what I generally have on my scouts ATM and it's plenty for a great buffer between engagements. The regen rate is nearly twice that of the minmatar assault. The only thing that the minmatar has is amount of shield, which IMO, past 300 doesn't mean nearly as much recharge delay/rate especially when you're talking about 4 extra seconds and nearly half the recharge rate. 2. I'm not talking about other scouts. I'm only comparing the M.A. and A.S. If a a sentinel had 100 more armor than another it wouldn't mean much considering they tend to break 1,000 ehp. This 100 would be a crazy increase for a scout but it doesn't mean anything when comparing sentinels. I would much rather have the natural armor reps from the gallente scout but that doesn't matter either, the point is 35 base ehp is hardly worth bragging about, especially going from a light to a medium assault suit that is meant for frontline action. As far as slots go, low slots are more useful for ehp tanking. I'm not sure on the math but I'd be willing to bet that the amarr scout could tank as much or more health than the minmatar assault. 3. I honestly don't even know what flame-bait means but if you're claiming that it's the principle of the matter (that the speed should be limited from tier to tier) then I'm sure you wouldn't mind the assault getting pushed back to 99% of the Amarr scout's speed. This would abide by this arbitrary restriction and make virtually no difference in playability, hence my point that the speed advantage is worthless. If the HP was significantly lower, then I'd agree with you, but it isn't. The minmatar assault is more like a scout than an assault in terms of speed and health, yet they're not expected to run from other "more powerful" suits. Strafing matters, I agree, but not 0.05 m/s. The stamina allows the scout to continue jumping in a CQ fight against anything and still have time to run and dodge and jump some more. This is why I'm killed the most as a scout: Not able to escape. Current scouts without regulators can jump a couple times and run around a nearby corner if they have full stamina. In those situations, stamina is gold, not necessarily speed. 4. Again I'm not concerned with the other scouts, as this thread is about the comparison between the Amarr scout and the Minmatar assault. If you want to see some interesting math with regards to other scouts, check out my last few posts. 219 shield Fatal Absolution bench proficiency lvl 5 why so serious zatara
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 220	Posted - 2014.02.09 22:16:00 - [5] - Quote maths: Amarr + 40 armor than Gallente scout basic armor : 85 -2 speed penalty 85/40 = 2,125/2 =1.0625 speed penalty 7,63 -1.0625% = 7,54 of amarr scout ,,,, gal scout movement is speed :5,45 - 1.0625 % = 5.39 for amarr scout Fatal Absolution bench proficiency lvl 5 why so serious zatara
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