Remove LP payouts if the player/corp/alliance isn't a member of FW, let them choose a side when they connect to the district, then flag them as suspect for as long as they are connected. It solves all problems.

So you want to remove the only reward a player gets it will reduce players trying. I have fac war eve toons and the rewards aren't enough to really risk it so players do it out of their own want to. plexing is still more profitable and much safer then being bait waiting for OBs

So you want to remove the only reward a player gets it will reduce players trying. I have fac war eve toons and the rewards aren't enough to really risk it so players do it out of their own want to. plexing is still more profitable and much safer then being bait waiting for OBs

All my EVE guys do it for the kill mails. If a fight breaks out in system to kill even more stuff in space, they like that, too, more mails for the killboard. KM's are the best motivator CCP has made to get my guys interested in bombardments since the mechanic was introduced a year ago.

Giving the LP payouts only to FW gives and incentive for players to join a FW corp to receiving payment for helping strangers on the ground. This could motivate a brand new player to join FW right out of the noob school and get into "PVP" (or at least orbiting a beacon in a cloaking, stabbed Kestrel), but such motivation isn't required for the guys who just want to rain on people's parade or help their corp mates.

Okay I will conceed the point about bringing in more pilots that just want to do it for fun. The only issue now that i have is that when you are on a beacon how do you know which side they are gonig to OB for. I know you said they would be flagged which is fine but you could pick and chose and i dont think other eve pilots would know to kill you or protect you when you are at the beacon.

Also i competed in 2011 hulkageddon and one of my toons was a top 30 killer but no where near the top. So much fun back then

I honestly would just shoot anyone not in my fleet that was on the beacon regardless of who they were bombarding for, so my bombardment guys would have less competition as they go to pull the trigger.

I don't really fight for a faction in Dust out of loyalty to a side, I do it for my me/my corp, as would the pilots in space. The only reason I do Gal FW is b/c my throw-away bombardment alt was docked in Villore when 1.7 came out, so I enlisted him there.

See i think would cause more harm then good in the FW world. I dully admit OB support is terrible but do appreciate the eve pilots that do participate. I think the solution more of the side to make eve fw milita to care and be rewarded for OB and owning districts.

So my solution and tell me what you think here. I have always been a fan of creating a command group which includes eve pilots and dust mercs. This way you dont have to be tied to anything. One day you could be working with gallente to take a planet and next work for caldari to get it back. I also see this working much better in nullsec.

Let me reiterate. The solution to Team Deploy (i.e., the problem of teams of slayers stomping random noobs) is to add levels to FW contracts.

This can be done if and only if one loses levels by losing battles. Such losses would distinguish those players who

(a) can gather a team to play with (a team, obviously, is more likely to win than a group of randoms)
(b) those players who are simply better than others and by how much.

The incentive is like real life - - being a better merc meas one gets payed more. Moreover, once players level up, they will not want to play FW for free. So newbies to a faction can enter into entry-level battles without worries.

This is such a simple fix and so easy to implement that it could be done as a minor patch rather than a major update.

1) Move the coding for playing with opposing factions to the factions themselves so that when one loses a battle one also loses standing with the faction for which one is playing.
2) Make it so that some FW have a level requirement (just as mercs need roles to join a PC).
3) Allow Eve pilots to bid on FW matches to guarantee that some or all of the mercs playing on one side are of a certain level.
4) Add the team play.

Steps 1, 2, 3 will eliminate any of the complaints that people have with regard to being pub stomped by teams. Better mercs will want to be paid. And the best mercs will want to get paid the most. So good mercs will likely not join entry-level contracts (1-3) and the best will likely not join mid-level contracts (4-7).

But like all games sometimes people just play to play and this means that sometimes one will have to face a team of slayers in a pub match. But that's life. And at least with these changes, those being stomped will know that the other players are not being rewarded.

...All my EVE guys do it for the kill mails. If a fight breaks out in system to kill even more stuff in space, they like that, too, more mails for the killboard. KM's are the best motivator CCP has made to get my guys interested in bombardments since the mechanic was introduced a year ago...

...I honestly would just shoot anyone not in my fleet that was on the beacon regardless of who they were bombarding for, so my bombardment guys would have less competition as they go to pull the trigger.

This has motivated me to do a thread on team deploy. You bring up some of my similar concerns as I want team deploy but for specific purpose not more lopsided protostomping matching

Once 'blowing stuff up' becomes the end in and of itself, this game will be over. Destruction should be a part of the narrative of Dust, but it won't propel the game to be great. I would hope that we could ascend a little bit above designing a system that is just a Pavlovian slobber machine.

Id also like to add that the EVE player be able to decide which squad lead he/she does the OB FOR if ti has not been already mentioned in the thread.Why this isnt implemented is beyond me. Seeing team squad leads call in OB"s to no effect either from lack of skill,lack of scan , on purpose , or because they suffer from premature ejaculation.Is idiotic...

Some of us Dust players have made friends with EVE pilots that will do these OB"S for us.Those of us have had to make connections, create channels, build relations with these individuals.Not only that the EVE player has to get to the battle in time may be snuck up on while doing the OB and could loose there ship .Risking there ship all so a some 35 wp,16th place, negative KDR, redline sniper can call in the OB to nowhere.

Fail mechanic = fail

FW needs contract levels (1 to 4) and mercs need to be able to choose a contract themselves (or select random if they wish).

The more desirable the district the higher the contract level. So System A (that no one is really fighting for) would have mainly level 1 contracts while System B (that is a huge front line and has been contested for weeks) would have mainly level 4 contracts.

Level 1 would primarily be the disorganized pub matches we have today, with low payout and a minute standings drop if lost.

Level 2 would be a step above the pub matches, more organized, with a better payout and a small standings drop if lost.

Level 3 would be squads only (maybe 4x 4 man squads = 16). Good payout with a moderate standings drop if lost.

Level 4 would be team deploy only with high payouts but a big standings drop if lost.

This makes it so that as you get higher standings you become more useful towards your faction taking space. It also means that as you gain standings you rise above the chaos, TKing, pubbies, and whatever in the lower level contracts.

Also, we need rankings / medals or something for FW. So that people who are dedicated to their factions get something to show off. I would love to be able to get an medal with the Caldari logo on it atop my avatar to show that I have won 1000x battles for the Caldari. Or an Inquisitors medal for the Amarr for winning 1000x battles with them.

+1




100x Level 1 wins - 'Thank you for your service, please accept this stack of free faction gear'

100x Level 2 wins - You get a medal that also gets you a discount on faction gear.

100x Level 3 wins - Your Corp gets a discount on faction gear.

So many of you guys are making the perfect the enemy of the good. Team deploy is good for corps, period. Even if its first iteration allowed nothing more than deployments into pubs and a totally unchanged FW, it would still be a HUGE WIN!

MAG had a simple team deploy system and it was incredible. Sure, some matches were stomps, but who cares? No one is entitled to an easy game. If anything, it would encourage more players to join corps, more corps to join alliances, and so on.

Make the team deploy system exactly like the current squad finder system and I promise you that it becomes a huge hit with the community.

So today we attempted to Q sync to fight for the caldari faction. Armed with eve pilots plexing and providing orbital support we made all haste to take the Eha system for them. For many of us vets that have been around since replication itGÇÖs been a long time coming. We had been testing what we can and can not do in fw since 1.7 was released and found a way to use the system to get it to do what we wanted(or at least we had hoped). We had almost 10 full squads of players (and more still looking for squad) from Imps, TP, AE, FA, Rainbow effect, STB, OH, Nyain San, Hellstorm, EON, WTF, SI, etc and I probably missed a few. A channel full of frenemies if you would, and I couldnGÇÖt have been happier to see you all /me hugs dust nerds. (Shout out to the Caldari eve pilots who I will keep nameless and those willing to pay for dust mercs services)

This is where all the good news ends. It turned out to be a complete cluster **** and not for our lack of trying. Even with eve pilots in system it was almost impossible to get a eha battle and when we did caldari was defending districts they didnGÇÖt own it seemed. IGÇÖll spare you all the pleasant holiday well wishes the that was spoke about ccp in our fw channel. So now that we have had time with 1.7 and know what we can and cant do and what needs to be done I have volunteered to bring the info to you.

First I will say you donGÇÖt have a choice these changes need to be in 1.8 and there doesnGÇÖt need to be a 1.8 till these changes are in it.

1.If caldari or amarr have no districts they should be attacking not defending donGÇÖt you think? So how to solve this at this point in time I am open to solutions. In discussions with other fw players here are a few of their ideas.

a.If your faction owns under 20% system district you always attack.

b.Scale attack defend ratio based upon system control aka you own 20% you attack 80%

c.If you win a defense match you get to attack next match

2.Private contracts. Simple eve players/corps/milita can award private contract to dust corps/alliance. Roles should piggy back dust side like in PC. Players get paid not corps. Should also have defensive contract for that can be assigned private or if no one dust they become public (anyone can join). Rewards should be more

3.Rewards. At the moment FW needs isk, I understand you have a long term play with player market and trading but FW needs isk pay outs now.

4.Make more rewards for Eve FW militas (donGÇÖt care how at this point but OB support is amazing)

5.TEAM DEPLOY ( edit: this is for private contracts only, pub fw matches can be q sync'd )

6.TEAM DEPLOY

7.TEAM DEPLOY (like in PC)

8.TEAM DEPLOY (glares at CCP Nullarbor while hearing telc yell about team deploy in his head)

So I tried to keep it simple and not offer a laundry list of things. So other players feel free to add or discuss ideas above.

So what I am about to say may get me stoned out of the dust nerd club but here it goes. Turn off PC. FW is about mercs working for the factions and eve pilots. Focus efforts there please. PC 2.0 in nullsec is a different story. I know have never been a fan of PC in its current state to you can take my idea with a grain of salt. Remember with the lp system isk is less of a factor if you are limited by standing and the amount of lp you have.

Dust #1 fanboi
Free Beers

So today we attempted to Q sync to fight for the caldari faction. Armed with eve pilots plexing and providing orbital support we made all haste to take the Eha system for them. For many of us vets that have been around since replication itGÇÖs been a long time coming. We had been testing what we can and can not do in fw since 1.7 was released and found a way to use the system to get it to do what we wanted(or at least we had hoped). We had almost 10 full squads of players (and more still looking for squad) from Imps, TP, AE, FA, Rainbow effect, STB, OH, Nyain San, Hellstorm, EON, WTF, SI, etc and I probably missed a few. A channel full of frenemies if you would, and I couldnGÇÖt have been happier to see you all /me hugs dust nerds. (Shout out to the Caldari eve pilots who I will keep nameless and those willing to pay for dust mercs services)

This is where all the good news ends. It turned out to be a complete cluster **** and not for our lack of trying. Even with eve pilots in system it was almost impossible to get a eha battle and when we did caldari was defending districts they didnGÇÖt own it seemed. IGÇÖll spare you all the pleasant holiday well wishes the that was spoke about ccp in our fw channel. So now that we have had time with 1.7 and know what we can and cant do and what needs to be done I have volunteered to bring the info to you.

First I will say you donGÇÖt have a choice these changes need to be in 1.8 and there doesnGÇÖt need to be a 1.8 till these changes are in it.

1.If caldari or amarr have no districts they should be attacking not defending donGÇÖt you think? So how to solve this at this point in time I am open to solutions. In discussions with other fw players here are a few of their ideas.

a.If your faction owns under 20% system district you always attack.

b.Scale attack defend ratio based upon system control aka you own 20% you attack 80%

c.If you win a defense match you get to attack next match

2.Private contracts. Simple eve players/corps/milita can award private contract to dust corps/alliance. Roles should piggy back dust side like in PC. Players get paid not corps. Should also have defensive contract for that can be assigned private or if no one dust they become public (anyone can join). Rewards should be more

3.Rewards. At the moment FW needs isk, I understand you have a long term play with player market and trading but FW needs isk pay outs now.

4.Make more rewards for Eve FW militas (donGÇÖt care how at this point but OB support is amazing)

5.TEAM DEPLOY ( edit: this is for private contracts only, pub fw matches can be q sync'd )

6.TEAM DEPLOY

7.TEAM DEPLOY (like in PC)

8.TEAM DEPLOY (glares at CCP Nullarbor while hearing telc yell about team deploy in his head)

So I tried to keep it simple and not offer a laundry list of things. So other players feel free to add or discuss ideas above.

So what I am about to say may get me stoned out of the dust nerd club but here it goes. Turn off PC. FW is about mercs working for the factions and eve pilots. Focus efforts there please. PC 2.0 in nullsec is a different story. I know have never been a fan of PC in its current state to you can take my idea with a grain of salt. Remember with the lp system isk is less of a factor if you are limited by standing and the amount of lp you have.

Dust #1 fanboi
Free Beers

I'm saying to expand it. Allow MORE potential bombardiers. From Alliance mates of guys in the match to brand new EVE players looking to see what its like.

So many of you guys are making the perfect the enemy of the good. Team deploy is good for corps, period. Even if its first iteration allowed nothing more than deployments into pubs and a totally unchanged FW, it would still be a HUGE WIN!

MAG had a simple team deploy system and it was incredible. Sure, some matches were stomps, but who cares? No one is entitled to an easy game. If anything, it would encourage more players to join corps, more corps to join alliances, and so on.

Make the team deploy system exactly like the current squad finder system and I promise you that it becomes a huge hit with the community.

Couldnt be further from the truth. Team is anyone in your squad, or team. It aint rocket science. Qsync is a reliable 'team' deploy as is.

u want to queue 16, easy, just takes longer to get a match cause u have a full side and its waiting for the next district to pop.

Couldnt be further from the truth. Team is anyone in your squad, or team. It aint rocket science. Qsync is a reliable 'team' deploy as is.

u want to queue 16, easy, just takes longer to get a match cause u have a full side and its waiting for the next district to pop.

Id also like to add that the EVE player be able to decide which squad lead he/she does the OB FOR if ti has not been already mentioned in the thread.Why this isnt implemented is beyond me. Seeing team squad leads call in OB"s to no effect either from lack of skill,lack of scan , on purpose , or because they suffer from premature ejaculation.Is idiotic...

Some of us Dust players have made friends with EVE pilots that will do these OB"S for us.Those of us have had to make connections, create channels, build relations with these individuals.Not only that the EVE player has to get to the battle in time may be snuck up on while doing the OB and could loose there ship .Risking there ship all so a some 35 wp,16th place, negative KDR, redline sniper can call in the OB to nowhere.

Fail mechanic = fail

Sorry, but we have very different opinions about its reliability. I played MAG for years and I demand a mechanic that works as flawlessly as MAG's clan deploy system. It needs to be something that integrates with the current squad finder system and allows deploys into whatever game mode the team leader chooses. No tricks, no Qsyncs.