Thanks for responding Nullarbor. I do want to say that fw has been a blast and am pleased with it overall.

Any comment on the isk part of the discussion or eve based contracts? I know many of us are getting light in the wallet and i fear that in time players will be forced to play pubs instead of fw.

Thanks for responding Nullarbor.....

Any comment on the isk part of the discussion or eve based contracts? I know many of us are getting light in the wallet and i fear that in time players will be forced to play pubs instead of fw.

We knew this would happen while there was no player market and expected players to have to play both pubs and fw for the time being. We may still need to balance the LP payouts and if it looks like the player market is going to take too long and we start seeing a decline in faction warfare participation then I could see us considering adding ISK back in to bridge the gap, but it wouldn't stay and was never the design to have ISK payouts.

We knew this would happen while there was no player market and expected players to have to play both pubs and fw for the time being. We may still need to balance the LP payouts and if it looks like the player market is going to take too long and we start seeing a decline in faction warfare participation then I could see us considering adding ISK back in to bridge the gap, but it wouldn't stay and was never the design to have ISK payouts.

^this or how about buffing the commando?

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1615413#post1615413

Great thread, and really interesting to see the results of this. I agree 100% we need to do 2 big things to give this the flexibility it deserves.

1. Team Deploy, we've always wanted it, we havn't done it yet because it's a lot of work but it needs to happen.
2. Queuing for a specific system to allow DUST to dictate where they want to fight. This makes the most sense to do in combination with team deploy.

We have spoken at length about both of these with the CPM including during the design of Uprising 1.7. They are both on the plan but simply got cut due to time constraints. I can't speak to whether they will be in 1.8 mind you, plans are afoot.

Thanks of the response, Nullabor.

Curious as to your thoughts on how difficult it would be to have EVE side entities offer contracts for FW matches? Essentially use the EVE side to monetize FW for the dust teams.

It strikes me that the more interdependent the two games are, particularly if Dust is seen as additive gameplay experience to EVE, this will help both products. More dust mercs will open EVE accounts to support their ops with orbitals or pay for FW contracts and more EVE side folks will dip into Dust and increase our player base.

Thanks!

Queueing into FW needs to be reworked.

A player with high SP, and a lot of experience, should get priority over a newb fresh from the academy.

It should go;

Full Squad > High SP Player > Newb

Faction warfare is so beyond broken that even AAA (Adamance, Aero, and Aisha) have given up.

Until FW is fixed...

1) your fighting will be for naught (Caldari and Amarr)
2) you'll never turn a profit due to FW not paying out

So in the end, we are still restricted to pubs.

Faction warfare is so beyond broken that even AAA (Adamance, Aero, and Aisha) have given up.

Until FW is fixed...

1) your fighting will be for naught (Caldari and Amarr)
2) you'll never turn a profit due to FW not paying out

So in the end, we are still restricted to pubs.

To be fair it was easy to see this early on. Even if Amarr were winning the flaws would be there, it would just be less of an impact on your wallet.

For now it's a good way to try new stuff without spending AUR (if that stuff is Gallente or Minmitar).

i told you bums, you'd be licking my boots come dec 10th (1.7 deployment date) , now with your 0% district owership, all you wanna do is cry how broken it is.

I saw it coming as well, but it's still kind of a surprising that Aero, the number one Amarr, the dude with the unflappable spirit has now at least imo has become a bitter vet that has pretty much had it with the game. I squaded up with him earlier and he did about a match and a half before he was fed up...I felt his pain, I wanted to cry for him.

we havn't done it yet because it's a lot of work

I'm saving this for future threads...

Great thread, and really interesting to see the results of this. I agree 100% we need to do 2 big things to give this the flexibility it deserves.

1. Team Deploy, we've always wanted it, we havn't done it yet because it's a lot of work but it needs to happen.
2. Queuing for a specific system to allow DUST to dictate where they want to fight. This makes the most sense to do in combination with team deploy.

We have spoken at length about both of these with the CPM including during the design of Uprising 1.7. They are both on the plan but simply got cut due to time constraints. I can't speak to whether they will be in 1.8 mind you, plans are afoot.

So today we attempted to Q sync to fight for the caldari faction. Armed with eve pilots plexing and providing orbital support we made all haste to take the Eha system for them. For many of us vets that have been around since replication itGÇÖs been a long time coming. We had been testing what we can and can not do in fw since 1.7 was released and found a way to use the system to get it to do what we wanted(or at least we had hoped). We had almost 10 full squads of players (and more still looking for squad) from Imps, TP, AE, FA, Rainbow effect, STB, OH, Nyain San, Hellstorm, EON, WTF, SI, etc and I probably missed a few. A channel full of frenemies if you would, and I couldnGÇÖt have been happier to see you all /me hugs dust nerds. (Shout out to the Caldari eve pilots who I will keep nameless and those willing to pay for dust mercs services)

This is where all the good news ends. It turned out to be a complete cluster **** and not for our lack of trying. Even with eve pilots in system it was almost impossible to get a eha battle and when we did caldari was defending districts they didnGÇÖt own it seemed. IGÇÖll spare you all the pleasant holiday well wishes the that was spoke about ccp in our fw channel. So now that we have had time with 1.7 and know what we can and cant do and what needs to be done I have volunteered to bring the info to you.

First I will say you donGÇÖt have a choice these changes need to be in 1.8 and there doesnGÇÖt need to be a 1.8 till these changes are in it.

1.If caldari or amarr have no districts they should be attacking not defending donGÇÖt you think? So how to solve this at this point in time I am open to solutions. In discussions with other fw players here are a few of their ideas.

a.If your faction owns under 20% system district you always attack.

b.Scale attack defend ratio based upon system control aka you own 20% you attack 80%

c.If you win a defense match you get to attack next match

2.Private contracts. Simple eve players/corps/milita can award private contract to dust corps/alliance. Roles should piggy back dust side like in PC. Players get paid not corps. Should also have defensive contract for that can be assigned private or if no one dust they become public (anyone can join). Rewards should be more

3.Rewards. At the moment FW needs isk, I understand you have a long term play with player market and trading but FW needs isk pay outs now.

4.Make more rewards for Eve FW militas (donGÇÖt care how at this point but OB support is amazing)

5.TEAM DEPLOY ( edit: this is for private contracts only, pub fw matches can be q sync'd )

6.TEAM DEPLOY

7.TEAM DEPLOY (like in PC)

8.TEAM DEPLOY (glares at CCP Nullarbor while hearing telc yell about team deploy in his head)

So I tried to keep it simple and not offer a laundry list of things. So other players feel free to add or discuss ideas above.

So what I am about to say may get me stoned out of the dust nerd club but here it goes. Turn off PC. FW is about mercs working for the factions and eve pilots. Focus efforts there please. PC 2.0 in nullsec is a different story. I know have never been a fan of PC in its current state to you can take my idea with a grain of salt. Remember with the lp system isk is less of a factor if you are limited by standing and the amount of lp you have.

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Queueing into FW needs to be reworked.

A player with high SP, and a lot of experience, should get priority over a newb fresh from the academy.

It should go;

Full Squad > High SP Player > Newb

Great thread, and really interesting to see the results of this. I agree 100% we need to do 2 big things to give this the flexibility it deserves.

1. Team Deploy, we've always wanted it, we havn't done it yet because it's a lot of work but it needs to happen.
2. Queuing for a specific system to allow DUST to dictate where they want to fight. This makes the most sense to do in combination with team deploy.

We have spoken at length about both of these with the CPM including during the design of Uprising 1.7. They are both on the plan but simply got cut due to time constraints. I can't speak to whether they will be in 1.8 mind you, plans are afoot.

I still have a hard time grasping LP gear also costing isk, and each store is incomplete.

obviously each faction has certain things, based on the factions (shields etc.)

to make FW self sustaining all markets should have all items available, and the specialty ones perhaps cheaper for the faction of origin.

the initial LP grind would be an isk sink or militia for some, but then they use LP to get LP and not involve isk in FW. Currently you have to fight for a particular faction to get the suits/mods/vehicles etc. Whether you want to fight for that faction or not

or continue to sink isk

1 solution was already mentioned, having a contract system thru EvE.

1) Maybe players could choose what system they want to deploy into and whether it's an attack or a defense? Maybe players in EVE could start the battles for a faction, and then deploy mercs there?